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[Ahriman]

I probably won't notice the change anyway.

Sex? Lying on each other in clothes is not sex.

Excessive violence? BIoware was always pretty sterile in that regard, not even close to Dead Space for example (if we are talking about AAA games).

[Grieving Natashina]

I probably won't notice the change anyway.

Sex? Lying on each other in clothes is not sex.

 

There was a picture posted in the original Open Letter thread that showed images from the sex scene between Kaidan and Shepard.  I can assure you that no clothing was involved.  DA:I showed some man-butt and some full-fledged toplessness (the lady Inquisitor and Cassandra both come to mind,) although the sex itself was fade-to-black.  Oh and the Inquisitor doesn't scramble to get dressed, like Shepard does.  I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some bare breasts and bare man-butt in ME:A.

[Cyonan]

There was a picture posted in the original Open Letter thread that showed images from the sex scene between Kaidan and Shepard.  I can assure you that no clothing was involved.  DA:I showed some man-butt and some full-fledged toplessness (the lady Inquisitor and Cassandra both come to mind,) although the sex itself was fade-to-black.  Oh and the Inquisitor doesn't scramble to get dressed, like Shepard does.  I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some bare breasts and bare man-butt in ME:A.

 

They need to learn from Geralt when it comes to putting on or removing clothes. That guy can do either in 0.5 seconds somehow.

 

Though if they are going to show any part of the sex scene then I do prefer that they do it how it was done in Inquisition. It looks pretty silly in a lot of the other games with clothes still on.

[Grieving Natashina]

They need to learn from Geralt when it comes to putting on or removing clothes. That guy can do either in 0.5 seconds somehow.

 

Though if they are going to show any part of the sex scene then I do prefer that they do it how it was done in Inquisition. It looks pretty silly in a lot of the other games with clothes still on.

I think that would make me laugh harder than the DA:O sex scenes.  And those were hysterical.

 

I really liked Inquisition's approach as well.  It was tasteful, and it was brief.  It just felt more natural than it has in a lot of games.  Most people I know don't race to throw on clothing before their lover has come out of their post-coital bliss.

[Ahriman]

There was a picture posted in the original Open Letter thread that showed images from the sex scene between Kaidan and Shepard.  I can assure you that no clothing was involved.  DA:I showed some man-butt and some full-fledged toplessness (the lady Inquisitor and Cassandra both come to mind,) although the sex itself was fade-to-black.  Oh and the Inquisitor doesn't scramble to get dressed, like Shepard does.  I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some bare breasts and bare man-butt in ME:A.

You are right of course, I just use personal experience. Morrigan in DAO (that's the best one, she had even more clothes than usual), Tali/Miranda in ME2, nobody in ME3, Josephine in DAI

[In Exile]

Well, KotOR is my favorite Bioware game and that was rated Teen. But then, that's probably in spite of the game's rating rather than because of it.
 
I do like the tongue in cheek approach to your wording, Dream.

Did Obsidian get KoTOR2 under "T"? I imagined LucasArts wouldn't have it any other way. They could probably get in a lot of mature themes under the radar.

Although I will say this for KotOR: when I first played it I was young/innocent enough that I didn't get fade to black. When the PC and Bastilla obviously hook up, and the scene ends with Bastilla saying "We shouldn't have done that (or equivalent )" I was just really confused about why she was acting so flushed over a kiss.

[Grieving Natashina]

You are right of course, I just use personal experience. Morrigan in DAO (that's the best one, she had even more clothes than usual), Tali/Miranda in ME2, nobody in ME3, Josephine in DAI

Morrigan in particular was ridiculous.  Putting on a bra for sex made me roll my eyes.  My problem with the Origin sex scenes was not only the clothing, it was the creepy-as-hell 1000 yard stare.  I skipped the sex scenes every time after the first time I played.  It was pretty damned dumb in my opinion. 

 

I can't comment on Tali or Miranda, since I hate the Sheploo running animation in ME2 and ME3.  I've done Kaidan, Garrus and Liara's romances though.  My Sheps do throw on clothes after sex, but show a fair amount of side-boob and the like during the scene.  Garrus is a fade-to-black, but I can certainly see why.  

 

Josie wasn't meant to be a sex scene, according to her writer.  It was left vague on purpose, so it wasn't like it was a sex scene with clothes on.  Solas doesn't have a sex scene either, for similar reasons, according to Patrick Weekes.  

[Cyonan]

I think that would make me laugh harder than the DA:O sex scenes.  And those were hysterical.

 

I really liked Inquisition's approach as well.  It was tasteful, and it was brief.  It just felt more natural than it has in a lot of games.  Most people I know don't race to throw on clothing before their lover has come out of their post-coital bliss.

 

Geralt is very serious about getting naked.

 

I think in a few of Shep's romances scenes it's supposed to be implied during the fade to black that a decent amount of time has past after the actual sex. Although a few did feel rushed, especially considering they were in his/hers private quarters with no real hurry to get clothed again.

[Han Shot First]

Morrigan in particular was ridiculous.  Putting on a bra for sex made me roll my eyes.  My problem with the Origin sex scenes was not only the clothing, it was the creepy-as-hell 1000 yard stare.  I skipped the sex scenes every time after the first time I played.  It was pretty damned dumb in my opinion. 

 

 

 

I laughed out loud the first time through one of DA:O's sex scenes, which I'm sure wasn't the intended reaction. Listing what isn't wrong with them would be a much shorter post.

[In Exile]

Geralt is very serious about getting naked.
 
I think in a few of Shep's romances scenes it's supposed to be implied during the fade to black that a decent amount of time has past after the actual sex. Although a few did feel rushed, especially considering they were in his/hers private quarters with no real hurry to get clothed again.

Geralt has a fetish for oiling up while wearing a towel.

[Grieving Natashina]

I laughed out loud the first time through one of DA:O's sex scenes, which I'm sure wasn't the intended reaction. Listing what isn't wrong with them would be a much shorter post.

I can cover this:  The music.  The music was the part that was right about it, and even then the visuals made it really silly.  Oh and I thought that the initial conversations between the PC and the LI leading up to the scene was nice.  That's pretty much it.

[Gago]

I have never noticed if a game is "T" , "M" or whatever rated, and I have no idea what any of these things mean practically so I will say that all I want is a good game.

[Wulfram]

Such as?
 
Again, I'd like a refresher on these things, and for a cogent case to be made for a T-rated Mass Effect game.

SW:tOR does a ton of choices like that. As well as loads and loads of torture and other messed up stuff.

Though really I don't understand the rating system. There's no way SW:tOR should be T while ME1 is M, if anything it should be the other way around.

[Capt_Kangaroo]

Pleeeease Bioware, ignore the OP's crying for Nudity, Gore, Sexulism and every other crap thing that the other companies throw in to be a Shock game...., and just make a good game.

"IF" it has a bit of the above fine..., as long as it enriches the story line and not just thrown in because some teen wants to get his jollies off in front of the video..., they can go to "You Tube" for that.

 

Cheers

[DanAxe]

I'll give you the same reply SWTOR devs give to any raised question concerning PvP:

 

"Ermmm.... NO."

 

Honestly tho, whatever rating the game has, it probably wont influence how much we like or not, its not the rating that made ME trilogy into what it is.

 

With that said, I still hope they go with Mature rating and that it actually shows!

[Dr. Rush]

E FOR EVERYONE

 

Since that is the generic audience Bioware is aiming for with the action-adventure games they are passing off as roleplaying games. 

[rashie]

How about E/3+ pegi?

 

Seriously though, kids are going to be playing a game like mass effect in masses even if its given an M, might as well give the rest of us a game that actually deserves the M/18+ pegi rating.

[Chealec]

I doubt anyone would notice the difference apart from the fact that the F-word would be dropped.

 

Children can't deal with all the same things adults can. It's not appropriate to expose them to the same things adults can enjoy being exposed to.

 

While that's true the reality seems to be that the rating system doesn't actually have much to do with that - about the only thing that seems to escalate a 'T' rated game (15 rated film) to an 'M' rated game (18 film) are female nip-shots, mott/dick-shots, the F-word or the C-word... otherwise they can happily deal with the same themes using the same amount of gore and gibbage. As long as nobody has graphic sex with that mutilated corpse it can be a 'T' rating.

 

The Mass Effect series is only borderline 'M' rating anyway - ME3 was released in the UK under the BBFC rating (same as used for movies) which had a lot more legal standing than PEGI in the UK at the time (might still do)... and the BBFC rated it a 15 which is pretty much equivalent to PEGI 'T'.

 

If BioWare think they can get a bigger audience (more sales) aiming for a 'T' rating, that's what they'll do... the movie industry already does it all the time.

[Chealec]

It really wasn't. Especially not Dragon Age 2. 

 

Anyway, I refuse to play a game where I can't electrocute people in one way or the other, and the feel of that just isn't the same in a T-Rated game. 

 

inFamous was 'T' rated ... you can't get much more of a game focused around electrocuting people.

 

 

 

 

 

... nobody's made an electric chair simulator yet have they?

[Panda]

While that's true the reality seems to be that the rating system doesn't actually have much to do with that - about the only thing that seems to escalate a 'T' rated game (15 rated film) to an 'M' rated game (18 film) are female nip-shots, mott/dick-shots, the F-word or the C-word... otherwise they can happily deal with the same themes using the same amount of gore and gibbage. As long as nobody has graphic sex with that mutilated corpse it can be a 'T' rating.

 

Have to agree with that, rating system looks quite superficial things, amount of f-bombs, naked skin and blood and doesn't really take accord things that really can be harmful for children. I quite often question movie and game ratings and I think it'd be best for parents etc. to check the game out themselves before deciding if it's okay for kids or not. For example I don't get Reckoning: Kingdom of Amalur's rating at all, it's Mature, but I see no reason why it couldn't be 15+ (T) or even 12+ (?) ^^; In other hand most disturbing movie I have seen myself was 12+ and it had high amount of psychological violence, but I guess that isn't counted in ratings..

[slimgrin]

Bioware took it up a notch with DA:I, showing more nudity than they have in any other game, and I don't think anyone complained. So stay the course, I say.

[SnakeCode]

I doubt anyone would notice the difference apart from the fact that the F-word would be dropped.

 

 

 

While that's true the reality seems to be that the rating system doesn't actually have much to do with that - about the only thing that seems to escalate a 'T' rated game (15 rated film) to an 'M' rated game (18 film) are female nip-shots, mott/dick-shots, the F-word or the C-word... otherwise they can happily deal with the same themes using the same amount of gore and gibbage. As long as nobody has graphic sex with that mutilated corpse it can be a 'T' rating.

 

I dunno, Batman: Arkham Knight has none of that stuff in it and it's 'M' rated. I think tone and the themes explored can certainly affect a game's rating.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm coming in to pull a "Joe Friday," (Just the facts, ma'am) since I've already said my piece about this.  I'm not here to get too far into this debate between a couple of my forum buddies, only to present the facts.  I'm not going to judge, nor say that the ESRB/PEGI are right in their assertions.  The only opinion that I really have in this debate at the moment is that I think the "suggestive themes" section is pretty silly for KA.   They usually are.  

 

I'm putting this up as an example of how some games that don't seem "all that bad" get a higher rating.  Whether or not it actually deserves it is up for debate, but forgive me if I'm gonna sit this one out.  This topic is already very subjective and heated as it is.  If anyone is curious, I can look up the same for the ME series for the sake of comparison.  

 

This is just the criteria that they have for that particular game for the North American and Pan-European rating systems.  Apparently it got the rating due to high violence.  The same goes for the other game in that series as well.  The bolded part is mine, because I think this is what merited the M/18+ rating:

 

http://www.esrb.org/...tings_guide.jsp

http://www.esrb.org/...alur: Reckoning

 

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

 

Content Descriptors: Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Suggestive Themes

 

Rating Summary: This is an action role-playing game in which players assume the role of magical characters that embark on quests in the fictional world of Amalur. As players explore 'open-world' environments, they complete missions that impact their character's destiny during an ongoing war. Players use swords, hammers, daggers, and magical attacks to kill human-like enemies and fantasy creatures (e.g., demons, trolls, giant spiders). The frequent combat is highlighted by slashing sounds, loud cries of pain, and slow-motion finishing moves—players complete battles (e.g., impaling enemies, tearing them in half) by pressing button sequences that correspond with on-screen prompts. Large blood-splatter effects occur during combat and cutscenes, which sometimes depict dismembered characters. Upon activating Aggressive mode, players can choose to attack/kill innocent civilians who cry out and run when struck. During the course of the game, players can access “books” that reference suggestive material: “His trousers down, his passions flared/He groped with drunken hand,” “ . . . from the motions of their bodies, I perceived that they were taking part in an activity that was altogether satisfactory,' and “For hours, only the panting and sighs of love broke the silence.”

 

 

 

This is from the PEGI rating site.  I tried to find a better description from the PEGI site, but I was unable to find one.  So I apologize that it's so short:

 

http://www.pegi.info...global_id/505/?

 

EA Swiss Sarl

The content of this game is suitable for persons aged 18 years and over only.
It contains: Extreme violence - Multiple, motiveless killing

 

[Il Divo]

Did Obsidian get KoTOR2 under "T"? I imagined LucasArts wouldn't have it any other way. They could probably get in a lot of mature themes under the radar.

Although I will say this for KotOR: when I first played it I was young/innocent enough that I didn't get fade to black. When the PC and Bastilla obviously hook up, and the scene ends with Bastilla saying "We shouldn't have done that (or equivalent )" I was just really confused about why she was acting so flushed over a kiss.

 

Now that brings back memories! Playing KotOR Actually, at the risk of sounding incredibly naive, did the PC and Bastila do more than kiss? I remember at one point you can make reference to the fact that "It was only a kiss". But I thought the fade to black was more so we could escape awkward kissing animations, since that was one area KotOR was horrible in. 

 

As for KotOR 2, I think they rated it T. Still, I find the idea sneaking that under the radar a bit terrifying. KotOR 2 doesn't have really any sex, graphic violence, or language to speak of. But some of the ideas tossed around in there and things the PC can get away with doing are absolutely terrifying. The scene where you have the option to sacrifice Visas was pretty damn dark. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Now that brings back memories. 

 

As for KotOR 2, I think they rated it T. Still, I find the idea sneaking that under the radar a bit terrifying. KotOR 2 doesn't have really any sex, graphic violence, or language. But some of the ideas tossed around in there and things the PC can get away with doing makes me a bit skeptical of the distinction between them. The scene where you have the option to sacrifice Visas was pretty damn dark. 

I'll argue the same goes for ToR.  Given how much the Sith Inquisitor can shock and torture people in over half of their quests as a Dark Side, which kinda becomes almost cartoonish (My thoughts: "You're wearing white after Labor Day?" Zap!, +10 DS.  "Oh, you refuse to bow low enough?"  Zap!  +10 DS) it surprises me a little that it got the rating that it did.  My guess is because there isn't very much gore/blood, and no strong language.