That bolded part is funny. A mature rating doesn't stop kids from being able to buy the game.
As for the wider issue, I'd like any move that gets rid of sexual scenes. I don't think there's a developer in existence who has been able to animate a love scene without it looking like two awkward marionettes being shoved at each other.
Hmm, I wonder if Blizzard could pull it off.
I have zero problems with fade-to-black. DA2 was all fade-to-black, and I thought it worked well. My favorite ME romance was Garrus, and he's fade-to-black too. The toplessness in DA:I, and the sideboob in the ME games didn't phase me one way or the other, but I could live without it. The post-coital conversations were more interesting most of the time in DA:I than the actual lead up to the sex.
The carefully worded innuendos are fun, but writers (even good ones) can get carried away with it far too quickly. That's just me though.
See, a Teen rating would likely cut those sequences even deeper. The fades to black will probably start longer before and longer after the actual scenes.
That bolded part is funny. A mature rating doesn't stop kids from being able to buy the game.
The difference, in the UK though, is that with movies there's the BBFC rating. The BBFC are a legal body solely tasked with rating film (they did have games too but that's recently been replaced with PEGI to harmonise games ratings across Europe) and technically, in theory, the BBFC actually have teeth - they could close down stores that sell games/movies to people not old enough to buy them... even if it's the parents buying them if the kids are present and the retailer "knows" the game is for the kid.
PEGI is just an industry body - a code of practice - to attempt to sidestep the issue, it has no legal grounding as such.
That's no longer true for PEGI, at least in the UK. The BBFC only focuses on movies alone now for the UK.
https://en.wikipedia..._European_Union
As of 30 July 2012,[22] PEGI is the legally enforcable system for game classification in the UK. Up until then, that responsibility was carried out by the BBFC, with PEGI labels appearing on boxes of games that were exempt from game classification.
Also, because I hate just leaving it as a wiki link, here's the source:
http://www.mcvuk.com...t-today/0100368
<shrug> Not sure what to say there. I think also it's the fact that you can kill civilians in a certain mode that affected the rating. The suggestive themes section becomes extremely goofy sometimes. I had a pretty popular post last year making fun of the ESRB description of both ME2 and DA:I. With great respect.
That's part of the reason why this debate is interesting to me. What is over-the-top, what's considered "too much" or "not enough" varies a lot between person-to-person.
I guess that's true. I'd also give ME2 and 3 mature, but for bit different reasons. Cause for example they didn't mention Jack's loyalty quest at all, that was most disturbing scene for me in the whole game and implicated tons of torture and psychological violence. Or humans being abducted and processed to liquid while they could not move, but could feel everything. But liked I said I see these ratings quite superficial and not something that really tackles disturbing content from kids.
Hmm, I wonder if Blizzard could pull it off.
If we're going by the extreme, extreme sexual dimorphism that's apparently evident in humans in the Warcraft universe, it's going to be awkward from the word go, regardless of their animating prowess.
No, not really. I mean, while everyone keeps saying how ME3 was generally a much darker and mature game than its predecessors, I only found it to be so in its presentation and atmosphere while Bioware's writing is generally on a decent Saturday Morning Cartoon level of quality.
I think no nudity and more vibrant presentation (which the trailer already seems to indicate, just like DA:I) - I mean, why not just go all the way. It's way more honest anyway, than to make it look dark and edgy and then have narrative that feels like it's designed for a comic book.
That's no longer true for PEGI, at least in the UK.
https://en.wikipedia..._European_Union
Also, because I hate just leaving it as a wiki link, here's the source: http://www.mcvuk.com...t-today/0100368
Insert *the more you know* gif here... I knew the PEGI system had replaced BBFC for games ratings - didn't realise they actually had any legal teeth in the UK though 
These rating are bollocks anyway.
Killion millions? Ah I suppose T will suffice.
A single nipple? OMG THIS NEEDS AN M RATING, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
I agree. The rating system needs to be overhauled however the real fault lies with whimpy parents who buy their kids M rated games. If the game is rated M then 8 yr old Johnnie should NOT be playing it no matter how much he whines.
That's no longer true for PEGI, at least in the UK. The BBFC only focuses on movies alone now for the UK.
How does the PEGI 16 rating work in terms of age identification at purchase for legally enforced zones?
With M-rated games, an identification card is technically required. Not so with T-rated games, which is little more than a judgment call for merchants.
Excellent question. I'm googling it now.
Edit: It looks like it's ID based, but the articles I've found address the rather large fine for selling to someone under the age bracket. There isn't so much in regards to the actual purchasing process. I would imagine that a kid would have to flash a resident ID to buy those games.
These rating are bollocks anyway.
Killion millions? Ah I suppose T will suffice.
A single nipple? OMG THIS NEEDS AN M RATING, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
How does the PEGI 16 rating work in terms of age identification at purchase for legally enforced zones?
With M-rated games, an identification card is technically required. Not so with T-rated games, which is little more than a judgment call for merchants.
In the UK you can get crap like the "Citizen Card" to prove your age - though I suspect a "Young Person's Railcard" would probably suffice. Otherwise though, it's no different to the barman in the pub making a judgement call that you're over 18 - as long as they're not blatantly/knowingly selling booze to minors, odds are there will be no legal repercussions.
(Friday afternoon at work ... productive right now, I am not)
#freethenipple
I agree, but if you put a T-rated ceiling over the content you're crafting, then you know there's little to no acknowledged objectionable material there. No wild nipples appearing, increased confidence from the consumer base, no twisted knickers.
Insert *the more you know* gif here... I knew the PEGI system had replaced BBFC for games ratings - didn't realise they actually had any legal teeth in the UK though
Hey, I'm glad that I could help. I'm learning a lot about the PEGI system through this conversation. 
The max sentence is 6 months in jail and up to 5000 pounds if you screw up and sell to someone under the recommended age knowingly. They aren't kidding around.
http://www.eurogamer...em-starts-today
How does the PEGI 16 rating work in terms of age identification at purchase for legally enforced zones?
With M-rated games, an identification card is technically required. Not so with T-rated games, which is little more than a judgment call for merchants.
Excellent question. I'm googling it now.
Edit: It looks like it's ID based, but the articles I've found address the rather large fine for selling to someone under the age bracket. There isn't so much in regards to the actual purchasing process. I would imagine that a kid would have to flash a resident ID to buy those games.
I also searching some on my country that uses Pegi. It said that ID is mostly used for games that are rated M (18+) and that other age ratings are just recommendations, maybe some shops don't sell those for people who are under rating either, but it doesn't seem to be legal thing.
I also searching some on my country that uses Pegi. It said that ID is mostly used for games that are rated M (18+) and that other age ratings are just recommendations, maybe some shops don't sell those for people who are under rating either, but it doesn't seem to be legal thing.
It is in the UK. See my previous post. It isn't just for 18+ rated games, either. At least not from the 6 articles or so I just read about it (tangential learning due to the BSN strikes again.) You get caught selling a 16+ game to a 12 year old, you could get into a boatload of trouble as you possibly could selling a 18+ game to a minor. It seems like you'd be more likely to get the maximum penalty if you sell a 18+ game to a minor versus a 16+ game to a 12 year old. I could be mistaken here though.
In any case, I think we're starting to wander off topic, and it's my fault. Sorry about that. 
It is in the UK. See my previous post. It isn't just for 18+ rated games, either. At least not from the 6 articles or so I just read about it (tangential learning due to the BSN strikes again.) You get caught selling a 16+ game to a 12 year old, you could get into a boatload of trouble just like selling a 18+ game to a minor.
Likely changes from country to other, even if PEGI is used there might be differences in practice.
Likely changes from country to other, even if PEGI is used there might be differences in practice.
The only country that doesn't use the PEGI system with legal power in the UK is Ireland. I just checked. 
Everything I've read says the rest of the UK does. I would assume this includes Scotland and Wales.
Ehm, no?
It's the twisted, perverted view that somehow killing is fine, while most of us will never kill a person, but sex, somehow, is the bigger evil. While almost everyone of us will end up having sex.
Frankly, since I'm not an MMO person, I have zero knowledge of TOR's choices.
Are there big death decisions? Fantasy torture and dismemberment don't seem to be triggers for ratings systems.
I have a better idea.
http://www.hellokittyonline.com/
There you go, an RPG for the children. Leave my glorious boom headshot melonsplosions and creepy cross species innuendo dialogue alone you babbies.
Likely changes from country to other, even if PEGI is used there might be differences in practice.
Heh according to that useful Wikipedia article Natashina posted you've got PEGI and KAVI (at the moment) - both of which are legally enforceable... but yeah, while the PEGI system has been adopted across most of Europe the legal enforceability varies from country to country.
Hey, I'm glad that I could help. I'm learning a lot about the PEGI system through this conversation.
... and I've learnt roughly what the ESRB ratings actually mean One good turn and all that!
... and I've learnt roughly what the ESRB ratings actually mean
Indeed! It's one of the biggest reasons why I stick around the forums. I could go on for hours about all the things I've learned or research thanks to debates on this site. Tangential learning is truly the best kind of learning.
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