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[dreamgazer]

They're perhaps different in that the death is a little more distant, I can't think of a straightforward "save character x or character y". It's more "Save the medical information that'll save thousands, or some woman".

But I don't think that stuff like Virmire plays a big role in age ratings. Gore and nudity and sex and drugs are what matter to them,. You can read fairly detailed rating descriptions of ME2 and ME3 see what the ESRB slaps the M rating on them for.

I agree that the other elements are what mostly earn the Shepard trilogy an M rating, but putting that ceiling on the content would bring everything else under scrutiny. The "themes" angle of the rating system and the psychology involved with stuff like the Virmire choice would likely be a point of contention.

[Chealec]

The only country that doesn't use the PEGI system with legal power in the UK is Ireland.  I just checked.    Everything I've read says the rest of the UK does.  I would assume this includes Scotland and Wales.

 

The Republic of Ireland isn't in the UK; been an independent country for best part of 100 years

 

UK refers specifically to England, Scotland (still), Wales and Northern Ireland (6 counties)... though with devolution each individual region now has greater legal autonomy from central government, except, oddly, England.

[Farangbaa]

On the flipside of that, the fact that sex is something that most people will eventually experience makes it a more realistic and personal topic, something that parents introduce at different times (or at all) and impose restrictions on their children. The interactivity of games provides a "substitute" for that, whereas violence exists in the realm of unlawful, cartoonish fantasy for most.

Is a totallly moot point considering:

a) the game is M, no kids should be playing the game. Bioware is not responsible for awful parenting.
everything you kill in ME stays dead, and possibly even gets its head to explode into a million pieces. It's far from cartoonish.

killing is bad, sex is good. Not the other way around.

[Grieving Natashina]

The Republic of Ireland isn't in the UK; been an independent country for best part of 100 years

 

UK refers specifically to England, Scotland (still), Wales and Northern Ireland (6 counties).

Oops.  I think my American ignorance is showing.  My apologizes.     

[Chealec]

Oops.  I think my American ignorance is showing.  My apologizes.     

 

Hehe - no worries... now don't ask me to stick a pin in Missouri on a map of the US!

[N7M]

rated Teen for adolescent fulfillments

[Elhanan]

I would prefer a lesser rating than M, but as long as the ESRB content is as optional and avoidable as past games (eg; DAI, ME3), I would likely support the title.

[FKA_Servo]

Hehe - no worries... now don't ask me to stick a pin in Missouri on a map of the US!

 

Don't ask most Americans to, either.

 

I grew up in the northeast. Between the two coasts, everything is a jumble to me. I have friends from the middle somewhere that make fun of me for it.

[Chealec]

Don't ask most Americans to, either.

 

I grew up in the northeast. Between the two coasts, everything is a jumble to me. I have friends from the middle somewhere that make fun of me for it.

 

To be fair - you've got a lot of ground to cover

 

I suspect most Europeans don't realise that Texas is bigger than France ... and France is pretty big.

[Steelcan]

To be fair - you've got a lot of ground to cover

 

I suspect most Europeans don't realise that Texas is bigger than France ... and France is pretty big.

I just drove about 600miles and didn't even leave the Deep South

[Farangbaa]

To be fair - you've got a lot of ground to cover
 
I suspect most Europeans don't realise that Texas is bigger than France ... and France is pretty big.

Oh I do.

It's one of the reasons I can't wrap my head around people who are opposed to a federal Europe. Just grab a damn map, for crying out loud, and realise it's not the 1500s anymore.

Or well, not Texas in particular, but any of those huge countries who're as big as Europe entirely (minus Russia, Russia is one of those countries ) and sometimes have populations towering the entiret of Europe by up to half a billion.

Especially my fellow countrymen (the Netherlands, 17 million people) who still think we, by ourselves, can be what we were like during the age of colonoziation.

Anyway, this is very offtopic >.>

[Feybrad]

Or well, not Texas in particular, but any of those huge countries who're as big as Europe entirely (minus Russia, Russia is one of those countries ) and sometimes have populations towering the entiret of Europe by up to half a billion.

 

If the whole of the Europe was united as one Nation it would be the third most populous Nation in the World after China and India, with 740+ Millions People. The US, which are currently the third most populous Nation in the World, are currently at 350+ Million People.

[Panda]

Oh I do.

It's one of the reasons I can't wrap my head around people who are opposed to a federal Europe. Just grab a damn map, for crying out loud, and realise it's not the 1500s anymore.
 

 

People already want out of EU.. federal Europe wouldn't work. People wouldn't simply be united enough.

[BraveVesperia]

This was my exact comment to that right after the DA:I ESRB summary came out.  Someone posted the ME2 description and this was all that was running through my mind.

 

Come my dear, let us remove your future-blouse and lay upon my bed-slab while we gyrate our hips fleetingly.  With great respect.

 

Edit: Nope, ME1 was also rated 18+.  All the ME games were rated the same by both ratings boards.

Holy sheet, I must've lucked out with the kiddie copies. 

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[Grieving Natashina]

Holy sheet, I must've lucked out with the kiddie copies. 

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It must have gotten a rating change when PEGI took over for the BBFC.  I had checked there first, not into the BBFC.

http://www.pegi.info...ing=mass effect

 

After some digging, the BBFC did rate ME1 as 12+ originally.

http://www.bbfc.co.u...s-effect-1970-2

 

Since PEGI didn't take over in the UK until 2012, I guess those copies were based upon the BBFC's standards.  It really only goes to show how subjective this content is.  Learn something new every day.  

[Gothfather]

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Yes, since I never played a game with M before.

 

But, I would never play a GTA type game.... absolutely rubbish in my eyes, pandering to the criminal element and overly brutal sex scenes and brutal violent acts.... all unnecessary in a game (IMO).

 

Unfortunately, M for ME:A will never happen. Key word, here, is Sales. The wider the target market, the higher the potential sale of the game. M, by definition, restricts the gaming audience. A "no-no" from EA's eyes, I'm sure.

 

Too Bad, really. Nudity, sex and some profanity at the right moments would be a welcomed distraction from so many blah games. Though, I suspect that ME:A will retain its core Mass Effect ingredients of story, friendship, bonding, diluted romance and lots of combat level designs with tough enemies. Maybe the Creative Director will insist on humorous side quests or character interaction. Especially so, with a new alien species, since we expect cultural differences where certain phrases or actions at inopportune times may be embarrassing for both human and alien.

Err ME is already a M rated game/series so not sure what you are talking about.

[dreamgazer]

By PEGI and ESRB standards, considering how ME1-3 were reclassified, Andromeda will need to choose between aiming for M/18 and T/16 content.

[pdusen]

Nudity, sex, profanity, and excessive violence seem to be sore spots with a segment of this fanbase for a number of different reasons.  What better way to restrain these things, and open up new revenue opportunities, than to aim for a T rating as a benchmark for any and all content? BioWare's already gone back in that direction with Star Wars: The Old Republic, after all.

 

I wouldn't mistake a handful of people whining on the forum for any significant segment of this fanbase.

 

My opinion: it's not necessary, and no special effort should be made to do it. If the rating just happens to come in lower for a particular game, then that's fine.

[shodiswe]

I can't see the advantage for me as a consumer.

[Gothfather]

To be fair - you've got a lot of ground to cover

 

I suspect most Europeans don't realise that Texas is bigger than France ... and France is pretty big.

Pfft the USA is tiny. Canada is about 95% the size of Europe from the ural mountains, so all of European Russian, to Portugal From Sicily to the Top of Norway. That's a big country.

[Steelcan]

Pfft the USA is tiny. Canada is about 95% the size of Europe from the ural mountains, so all of European Russian, to Portugal From Sicily to the Top of Norway. That's a big country.

USA is the next largest country behind Canada

[Kakistos_]

Interesting question. Should? In my opinion, no. Could a move to a Teen rating be successful? Sure. I for one would still buy the game but probably wouldn't rate it as highly. I say this because I am not a teenager and have no desire to play something geared towards that age group and by that I mean 13-16 or specifically teens that are not mature enough to handle graphic content and themes, though honestly I've seen worse on TNT SCFI than anything in a Mass Effect game.

 

That said, I was a teenager when I was first introduced to the ME series and my parents deemed me mature enough to handle the content the box warned about and to their credit I was. Mass Effect is clearly not a game for immature teenagers while, and I will just pick one of a multitude of examples, the teen rated Star Wars games and cartoons are. That is not to say that they cannot be and are not enjoyed by adults as they are but that they shy away from and veil their more mature themes such as murder with super heated weapons, genocide and sex.

 

Gruesome Lightsaber deaths, mass murder of millions, all the sex Anakin and Padmé were having all happened within the context of that universe but veiled by the teen rating. Some would argue that depicting these themes in more detail is gratuitous since we, as adults, know whats happening. I see their point, to a point, and would argue that perhaps themes such as war should be graphic as apposed to cute, but it is not as if I'm asking to see penetration and actual brains on the wall.

 

I think that, for those of us mature enough, the more graphic themes should not be hidden but explored in a tasteful and realistic fashion. That is not to say of course that every Mature rated game depicts these themes in a tasteful, non gratuitous and realistic fashion and there is of course the element of suspension of disbelief when Aliens and Magic enter the scene. I think that Bioware has handled itself well on balancing those fronts.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Maybe you aren't. Soldier 247 is my buddy. Or is it 248?...No, it's 247.

Agreed. 248 is an %@!#

[Farangbaa]

People already want out of EU.. federal Europe wouldn't work. People wouldn't simply be united enough.

Yeah, that's the thing I can't wrap my head around.

As single countries we are meaningless in the world.

[Chealec]

Pfft the USA is tiny. Canada is about 95% the size of Europe from the ural mountains, so all of European Russian, to Portugal From Sicily to the Top of Norway. That's a big country.

 

... but nobody lives there so it doesn't count