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[Tidus]

I'm not sure my warden is militaristic-maybe more like  reluctant participant  at best until later in the game..

 

More of my lopsided thinking.

 

Why would my warden not trust Morrigan? After all she helped him/her recover from his wounds,fought along side of him/her,my male warden has romanced her early in the game and Morrigan will save my warden's life by doing a ritual.

 

I entertain the thought maybe my warden wants Morrigan to leave so she will be safe. My warden leaves Leliana  (by that time his sweetie/ my female warden's BFF) behind as he/she goes to battle the archdemon.

[German Soldier]

 

 

Why would my warden not trust Morrigan? After all she helped him/her recover from his wounds,fought along side of him/her,my male warden has romanced her early in the game and Morrigan will save my warden's life by doing a ritual.

 

 

First Flemeth helped your Warden,not Morrigan,second i didn't romanced her so my point of view is neutral and not polluted by personal affection..

Is not a matter of trust,or at least it wasn't for my Warden,it was a matter of goal,i don't care if she intended to save my life (which i can do without her) save the old god was not an option,these things cause blights when are corrupted,as a general and devoted Warden i cannot gamble the security of Thedas for my selfish interest,as i said my Warden valued the safety and security of others more than his life.

I refused this plan popped at the last moment and she abandoned/deserted the army, is morphed as heavy betrayal from a militaristic point of view,especially because she leave because she doesn't get what she wanted,which is something completely unreasonable into an army,soldiers/volunteer who leave the general because of their personal interest(yes the Warden is a general at redclieffe not a soldier).

Is the same in Dragon age Inquisition,if Morrigan would have abandoned the Inquisitor and his cause because she doesn't get the well of sorow,it would have been considered as betrayal ,but she didn't this time.

As i said it was a matter of goals and you don't need to sign contract,since that you have decided to willingly follow me and my order only to desert later.IS desertion/betrayal when the DR is refused it doesn't morph in something else just because she was a friend or a lover.

[Tidus]

Well, apparently  Morrigan help Flemmeth  as  she mention after the warden thanks her.What help isn't stated but,she may have fed the warden or changed his bandages. That's my take.

 

I play my warden as a gray and not a general since he/she didn't confirm his promotion when Alistair asked. My warden replies "Get the Army together"..A nice noncommittal reply for this type of game play btw.

 

My game thought..I try to make my warden fed up with Alistair and the situation in general after all the more he/she does the more they want from him/her.

 

I suspect I play my warden much like a actor plays his character. In short I become my PC and base my decisions on my thoughts.

 

After Zevran joins my group I use three rogues 90% of the time with Morrigan.

[Aren]

I love Morrigan character,only when she doesn't slap my warden in the face.

[Aren]

Duble post,Merlin!!!!!!!!!!

[Vlada47]

As i said it was a matter of goals and you don't need to sign contract,since that you have decided to willingly follow me and my order only to desert later.IS desertion/betrayal when the DR is refused it doesn't morph in something else just because she was a friend or a lover.

 

 

Well I guess there's something to this opinion... IF you really insist on playing army. The way I see it, only you and Alistair have any real obligation to combat the Blight... well maybe Zevran too, since he swore you an oath. Everybody else can leave, if they wish so. I can ask them and try to persuade them to stay and fight, but that's about it. I can also say "screw it" and quit my job, yes it usually has bad consequences and I probably wouldn't do that, because I kinda like my job, but nobody should stop me from doing that.

 

The other matter - why I don't see as a problem to do the ritual with Morrigan - would take quite a few paragraphs (of my Warden's reasoning), so I might save it for later...

[Illegitimus]

 

 

The other matter - why I don't see as a problem to do the ritual with Morrigan - would take quite a few paragraphs (of my Warden's reasoning), so I might save it for later...

 

 

It's simple in my case.  I agree with Morrigan.  Destroying something rare and wonderful is not something one does lightly.  If there's an alternative that will still save Ferelden as well as my own life, I honestly think that's the better choice.  I could play a character who feels differently, but most of the characters are going to share my perspective. 

[Tidus]

I agree.. Even my warden sees the  ritual as a means of saving his/her life..

 

I suspect my female warden may be worried how Alistair will answer, after all she  broke up with Alistair in order for him to marry  Anora and she's also well aware Alistair  hates   Morrigan..

[actionhero112]

We had another Grey Warden though. Riordan. Why couldn't I pimp out that Grey Warden shmuck instead of my boo? Gaaaiiiiiddddeeeerrrrr. 

 

 Morrigan wants to present the ritual when she has the most leverage, so on the eve of battle, in the dark of night. People are more willing to accept things when their, and their loved one's lives, are on the line.

 

Morrigan's feelings towards you are secondary, completion of the ritual is paramount. So she only tells you about the ritual when you are most pressured to accept it. She dips if you refuse because that was part of her ultimatum, in order to convince you to take the ritual. 

 

Also, for real though, better drama. One of the few choices in this game that doesn't have an easy way out. You can't go to the mages tower for lyrium, or persuade zathrian to end the curse this time. 

[German Soldier]

We had another Grey Warden though. Riordan. Why couldn't I pimp out that Grey Warden shmuck instead of my boo? Gaaaiiiiiddddeeeerrrrr. 

 

 Morrigan wants to present the ritual when she has the most leverage, so on the eve of battle, in the dark of night. People are more willing to accept things when their, and their loved one's lives, are on the line.

 

Morrigan's feelings towards you are secondary, completion of the ritual is paramount. So she only tells you about the ritual when you are most pressured to accept it. She dips if you refuse because that was part of her ultimatum, in order to convince you to take the ritual. 

 

Also, for real though, better drama. One of the few choices in this game that doesn't have an easy way out. You can't go to the mages tower for lyrium, or persuade zathrian to end the curse this time. 

this just demonstrate on how manipulative she was.

well i'm a german soldier(i will be) it doesn't work with my mindset

 

It's simple in my case.  I agree with Morrigan.  Destroying something rare and wonderful is not something one does lightly.  If there's an alternative that will still save Ferelden as well as my own life, I honestly think that's the better choice.  I could play a character who feels differently, but most of the characters are going to share my perspective. 

 I'm leery on allowing an Old God to survive. These things cause Blights, so I'm not clear as to what the value is in letting Urthemiel live,only to spare 1 warden.

[German Soldier]

Well I guess there's something to this opinion... IF you really insist on playing army. The way I see it, only you and Alistair have any real obligation to combat the Blight... well maybe Zevran too, since he swore you an oath. Everybody else can leave, if they wish so. I can ask them and try to persuade them to stay and fight, but that's about it. I can also say "screw it" and quit my job, yes it usually has bad consequences and I probably wouldn't do that, because I kinda like my job, but nobody should stop me from doing that.

 

The other matter - why I don't see as a problem to do the ritual with Morrigan - would take quite a few paragraphs (of my Warden's reasoning), so I might save it for later...

You're warden is a general in redcliffe,Morrigan disobey and commit desertion for her own personal interest,it still remains desertion from a militaristic point of view,and desertion is=betrayal for a general,this works not just with Morrigan but with every other companions that leave after that the King or the Queen nominated you as the General of the army,after the landsmeet.

This work with AListair as well.

In Redclieffe is basically Morrigan who gives to you (a general a superior) an ultimatum and then leave,for a general these things have severe consequences.

she was not obligated to follow the Warden when the warden was the leader of the group,she is obligated to follow the Warden when the warden is the general in charge,if she leave, this become desertion.

it cannot morph in something else,she was a soldier like any other,under the general authority nominated by the (king/queen)

Not to mention the fact that i have not even consider that what she was tring to do was very opinable..

[Tidus]

The warden needs not to accept the rank of general in fact mine doesn't like I stated above.

 

"Get the Army together"  is a noncommittal answer to Alistair's request.

 

After the victory whoop de do at the castle he fades away with his love Leliana to travel the world together. My female warden fades away with her BFF Leliana and they travel the world..  I have no doubts my female warden is on the mend from having Alistair marry Anora in order to unit Ferelden against the blight..

[Illegitimus]

 

 

this just demonstrate on how manipulative she was.

well i'm a german soldier(i will be) it doesn't work with my mindset

 

 I'm leery on allowing an Old God to survive. These things cause Blights, so I'm not clear as to what the value is in letting Urthemiel live,only to spare 1 warden.

 

 

He could have been the answer to ending the blights, or at least fixing some of the ecological damage they do.  Defeated blight or no a third of Ferelden is a wasteland that will never support a population again at least not for many centuries and that was as easy as a blight gets.  The Old God Baby might have grown up to be a threat, but he also might have turned out to be someone we needed, or he could have been just an enigma mumbling about about people's bloodlines and contributing nothing very important.  It doesn't matter to me.  The Old Gods don't create blights out of malice.  They are victims of the blights just as much as any tainted lifeform.  When someone has a disease that makes them dangerous we may have to kill them if there's no other choice, but it is far better to cure them if you have a cure.  

[Vlada47]

 

You're warden is a general in redcliffe,Morrigan disobey and commit desertion for her own personal interest,it still remains desertion from a militaristic point of view,and desertion is=betrayal for a general,this works not just with Morrigan but with every other companions that leave after that the King or the Queen nominated you as the General of the army,after the landsmeet.

This work with AListair as well.

In Redclieffe is basically Morrigan who gives to you (a general a superior) an ultimatum and then leave,for a general these things have severe consequences.

she was not obligated to follow the Warden when the warden was the leader of the group,she is obligated to follow the Warden when the warden is the general in charge,if she leave, this become desertion.

it cannot morph in something else,she was a soldier like any other,under the general authority nominated by the (king/queen)

Not to mention the fact that i have not even consider that what she was tring to do was very opinable..

 

My Warden honestly doesn't care about being general or leading armies... he is a magi from the Circle, who has near zero knowledge about warfare.    So to his mind, him being Alistair's general means being somewhere in the front of the assault, pointing his sword menacingly at the darkspawn and look heroic. I didn't see any scene, where I would give orders, how to do the battle. And I still don't see how most of your group are considered soldiers. I have to admit I don't accept this view partly because I'm not a fan of... say militarism, so I might be biased. Unless there's some explicit law that tells me to "take up arms and go defend" or I allowed myself being conscripted in the army/militia/whatever, nobody should order me so.

 

As for the Old God's soul - what if, as some people said already, it could be solution to the Blight or could bring better knowledge about magic, nature of the world and stuff? Yes we don't know that, but if we destroy it, we never will. If I feel bad for anything, it would be what problems could this "soul union" thing cause to the child (haven't get to DAI yet, don't spoil it for me ). That's one of the reasons I join Morrigan at the end of Witch Hunt, to help the kid in any way I can...

[Tidus]

Here's another thought. Other then the two wardens everybody else is volunteers-Morrigan is a "forced" volunteer or was that part of Flemeth's plan?  I haven't ruled out the thought Flemeth wanted the old God child and Morrigan doubled crossed her by having her  killed.

 

Another question that nags at me is why did Morrigan what her Mother's magic books so badly?

 

Our happy little group is more like a band of guerrillas and then a Army after all they take out Jarvia's Carta and go deep into the Deep Roads to find the paragon Branka  so she can settle a election.

 

In the final battle Ferelden's Army consists of Shems, Elves, Dwarfs  and Mages.. The Grays operate as a independent unit whose  main goal is to take out he archdemon. The members of our group fights along side of the regular Army as volunteers since they haven't join any of the assembled  Armies.

[German Soldier]

My Warden honestly doesn't care about being general or leading armies... he is a magi from the Circle, who has near zero knowledge about warfare.    So to his mind, him being Alistair's general means being somewhere in the front of the assault, pointing his sword menacingly at the darkspawn and look heroic. I didn't see any scene, where I would give orders, how to do the battle. And I still don't see how most of your group are considered soldiers. I have to admit I don't accept this view partly because I'm not a fan of... say militarism, so I might be biased. Unless there's some explicit law that tells me to "take up arms and go defend" or I allowed myself being conscripted in the army/militia/whatever, nobody should order me so.

 

As for the Old God's soul - what if, as some people said already, it could be solution to the Blight or could bring better knowledge about magic, nature of the world and stuff? Yes we don't know that, but if we destroy it, we never will. If I feel bad for anything, it would be what problems could this "soul union" thing cause to the child (haven't get to DAI yet, don't spoil it for me ). That's one of the reasons I join Morrigan at the end of Witch Hunt, to help the kid in any way I can...

The only game that i played for this franchise was DAO(without expansion or Dlc) so i don't know what was happened with this Old god but i presume that it was swept under the carpet like any other choices when it comes to Bioware or they never talked about him.

As for Morrigan,my mindset is the one of the group/cooperation(fan of shooter),if someone obstacle somehow the order of the superior then this member will have to face the consequences eventually(she didn't with me as i said because i never bought others Dlc or game of this franchise,but i know that there is a possibility in a Dlc).

As for the Old god,i don't believe that the world need his help to stop the blight,as each blight was stopped without their help and the last one in just 1 year,i see them only as a trouble,as a GW i do not presuppose the future especially if Flemeth is pulling the strings,maybe in the end the old god will go in her hands i suppose, since this was her plan,or  Morrigan will be lucky and she will never found her.

[Aren]

 

 GW i do not presuppose the future especially if Flemeth is pulling the strings,maybe in the end the old god will go in her hands i suppose, since this was her plan,or  Morrigan will be lucky and she will never found her.

 

lol Is exactly what happened.

[German Soldier]

lol Is exactly what happened.

What, Flemeth kidnapped the child?Or possessed her daughter?

sorry but i need to update into the story of this franchise.

[Illegitimus]

Here's another thought. Other then the two wardens everybody else is volunteers-Morrigan is a "forced" volunteer or was that part of Flemeth's plan?  I haven't ruled out the thought Flemeth wanted the old God child and Morrigan doubled crossed her by having her  killed.

 

Another question that nags at me is why did Morrigan what her Mother's magic books so badly?

 

 

There's no doubt that Flemeth wanted the old god child even just based on Origins.  It's why she'll willingly give the Warden the book containing the Dark Ritual spell.  But all the indications are that she didn't tell Morrigan that's what she wants.  She just counts on Morrigan being what Flemeth has raised her to be.  I honestly believe Morrigan turned on Flemeth because she found out part of the deal with Flemeth's immortality, enough to scare her even if she didn't truly understand it.  

[Aren]

There's no doubt that Flemeth wanted the old god child even just based on Origins.  It's why she'll willingly give the Warden the book containing the Dark Ritual spell.  But all the indications are that she didn't tell Morrigan that's what she wants.  She just counts on Morrigan being what Flemeth has raised her to be.  I honestly believe Morrigan turned on Flemeth because she found out part of the deal with Flemeth's immortality, enough to scare her even if she didn't truly understand it.  

I don't trust Morrigan,i hope that she was genuine during her mother quest,because i can easly think that she understanded that book but she just wanted her mother dead.

[Illegitimus]

I don't trust Morrigan,i hope that she was genuine during her mother quest,because i can easly think that she understanded that book but she just wanted her mother dead.

 

The thing about Morrigan is that she isn't nice, but she isn't all that deceptive either.  And later materials confirm that Morrigan really was afraid of Flemeth.  

[Aren]

The thing about Morrigan is that she isn't nice, but she isn't all that deceptive either.  And later materials confirm that Morrigan really was afraid of Flemeth.  

Well she was deceptive during Flemeth quest with my Warden

Is Flemeth so stupid ?this was my thought,or she is hiding something? I asked to her of why she was sent with me if her mother wanted to possess her. 

She invented something.

Basically my Warden life was in danger for a lie,this can be also considered as a betrayal of trust,she didnt mention during that quest that she was sent for a ritual...

 

 

 

If anything, it's the Wardens' deceptiveness that annoys me.

The Warden can go very far in this game with deceptiveness,i used to be like that against demons.