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[Illegitimus]

Well she was deceptive during Flemeth quest with my Warden

Is Flemeth so stupid ?this was my thought,or she is hiding something? I asked to her of why she was sent with me if her mother wanted to possess her. 

She invented something.

Basically my Warden life was in danger for a lie,this can be also considered as a betrayal of trust,she didnt mention during that quest that she was sent for a ritual...

 

 

Stop a moment and think about Flemeth.  Is there anything about Flemeth that would suggest that she was the kind of person who would tell Morrigan why she was being sent?  Note that they have no opportunity to discuss it, anyway.  Morrigan has no idea that she's being sent with Dumb and Dumber until Flemeth suddenly announces it, then Flemeth stays with you while Morrigan goes to grab her change of underwear.  Flemeth could not have told Morrigan what her plan was even if she was kind of person who ever tells anyone what the plan is.   Morrigan isn't lying when she talks about why Flemeth might have sent her.  She just doesn't know until she reads the second book and at some point realizes that she was intended to become the old god's brood mare.  

[Aren]

Stop a moment and think about Flemeth.  Is there anything about Flemeth that would suggest that she was the kind of person who would tell Morrigan why she was being sent?  Note that they have no opportunity to discuss it, anyway.  Morrigan has no idea that she's being sent with Dumb and Dumber until Flemeth suddenly announces it, then Flemeth stays with you while Morrigan goes to grab her change of underwear.  Flemeth could not have told Morrigan what her plan was even if she was kind of person who ever tells anyone what the plan is.   Morrigan isn't lying when she talks about why Flemeth might have sent her.  She just doesn't know until she reads the second book and at some point realizes that she was intended to become the old god's brood mare.

Wait a moment i believe that she learn the DR from FLemeth nof from that book

[Illegitimus]

Wait a moment i believe that she learn the DR from FLemeth nof from that book

 

Why do you believe that?  

[Aren]

Why do you believe that?  

Because she said in redclieffe that she learned the ritual from Flemeth directly,also the book is not mandatory you can keep them for you and never help Morrigan,she will always be at redclieffe with the ritual.

so yes during flemeth quest she lie to the Warden about the reason of why she was sent,this was her plan since the very beggining.

[Aren]

Gaider wrote and Aimo illustrated a lovely short comic strip about the conversation Morrigan has with Alistair right before she goes to speak to the warden on that night that really captures a lot of what a high approval Morrigan is experiencing before making her offer.  The one on the bioware blog only shows the first page, the other links are broken to the other pages.  This one on the artist's blog is complete.

 

http://momochanners....ry-single-brick

I genuinely believe that the comic doesn't make sense because it depict a completely different Morrigan.

Morrigan do not believe that the ritual is a bad idea,quite the opposite,if the ritual is refused she is not sad,she is furious,she will not even remain to try to ensure that the Warden will not die regardless of the ritual,also if she is in a romance she will say to the Warden

"should you live past the norrow,i trust that will only be with regret" with a cold smile

If the Warden is a friend

"i do what i must and so shall you" with a cold glare

These are not words  that demonstrate sadness,not by any means.

She doesn't show any remorse into the epilogue,she is just kind of furious,so yes the comic doesn't make sense it is just Gaider who created something of another universe.

[Secret Rare]

 

I genuinely believe that the comic doesn't make sense because it depict a completely different Morrigan.

Morrigan do not believe that the ritual is a bad idea,quite the opposite,if the ritual is refused she is not sad,she is furious,she will not even remain to try to ensure that the Warden will not die regardless of the ritual,also if she is in a romance she will say to the Warden

"should you live past the norrow,i trust that will only be with regret" with a cold smile

If the Warden is a friend

"i do what i must and so shall you" with a cold glare

These are not words  that demonstrate sadness,not by any means.

She doesn't show any remorse into the epilogue,she is just kind of furious,so yes the comic doesn't make sense it is just Gaider who created something of another universe.

 

^this so much this^ 

[Illegitimus]

Because she said in redclieffe that she learned the ritual from Flemeth directly,also the book is not mandatory you can keep them for you and never help Morrigan,she will always be at redclieffe with the ritual.

so yes during flemeth quest she lie to the Warden about the reason of why she was sent,this was her plan since the very beggining.

 

Uh...what?  How did the subject of the ritual come up at Redcliff?  

 

 

 

 

I genuinely believe that the comic doesn't make sense because it depict a completely different Morrigan.

Morrigan do not believe that the ritual is a bad idea,quite the opposite,if the ritual is refused she is not sad,she is furious,she will not even remain to try to ensure that the Warden will not die regardless of the ritual,also if she is in a romance she will say to the Warden

"should you live past the norrow,i trust that will only be with regret" with a cold smile

If the Warden is a friend

"i do what i must and so shall you" with a cold glare

These are not words  that demonstrate sadness,not by any means.

She doesn't show any remorse into the epilogue,she is just kind of furious,so yes the comic doesn't make sense it is just Gaider who created something of another universe.

 

 

 

What?  She IS angry at the end of the comic.  She's angry at herself for being weak, for dreading the conversation she's about to have.  Once again the scene's performance has to cover multiple scenarios.  The specific scenario in the comic is one where Morrigan has become friends with a female warden who is romantically involved with Alistair (and probably Loghain's dead).  And she's about to ask her friend to let Morrigan sleep with and create a child with the man the warden loves.  For all that Morrigan believes that it is the right thing to do to save the old god, doubly so when it will save either her friend or the man who her friend loves, that's still kind of a horrible thing to ask of her.  Morrigan feels bad about that.  Feeling bad about that, something Morrigan sees as a moment of weakness makes her feel angry.  And she'll get even more angry if the warden's own "weakness" leads to her rejecting the offer and sacrificing herself.  The warden is the only friend Morrigan has ever had or is ever likely to have, and the warden chose to leave Morrigan alone.  To Morrigan that is the warden deserting her and doing it for the kind of reason that Morrigan has always despised, always been encouraged by Flemeth to despise.  So yes, she gets really, really angry at her friend's rejection.  

[Aren]

Uh...what?  How did the subject of the ritual come up at Redcliff?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

What?  She IS angry at the end of the comic.  She's angry at herself for being weak, for dreading the conversation she's about to have.  Once again the scene's performance has to cover multiple scenarios.  The specific scenario in the comic is one where Morrigan has become friends with a female warden who is romantically involved with Alistair (and probably Loghain's dead).  And she's about to ask her friend to let Morrigan sleep with and create a child with the man the warden loves.  For all that Morrigan believes that it is the right thing to do to save the old god, doubly so when it will save either her friend or the man who her friend loves, that's still kind of a horrible thing to ask of her.  Morrigan feels bad about that.  Feeling bad about that, something Morrigan sees as a moment of weakness makes her feel angry.  And she'll get even more angry if the warden's own "weakness" leads to her rejecting the offer and sacrificing herself.  The warden is the only friend Morrigan has ever had or is ever likely to have, and the warden chose to leave Morrigan alone.  To Morrigan that is the warden deserting her and doing it for the kind of reason that Morrigan has always despised, always been encouraged by Flemeth to despise.  So yes, she gets really, really angry at her friend's rejection.  

1)Warden ask

where did you get the Ritual?

she respond from Flemeth of course

 

 

2)It doesn't work for most scenarios as i said,she is angry not sad like in the comic,she even cry there,are we serious?,Morrigan never cried since the time of Arlathan....

[Illegitimus]

1)Warden ask

where did you get the Ritual?

she respond from Flemeth of course

 

 

2)It doesn't work for most scenarios as i said,she is angry not sad like in the comic,she even cry there,are we serious?,Morrigan never cried since the time of Arlathan....

 

"From Flemeth" covers both direct teaching and Flemeth's grimoire,depending on circumstances.  

 

Once again by the end of the comic she IS angry.  And of course Morrigan isn't going to cry where another character can see her.  

[Aren]

"From Flemeth" covers both direct teaching and Flemeth's grimoire,depending on circumstances.  

 

Once again by the end of the comic she IS angry.  And of course Morrigan isn't going to cry where another character can see her.  

Morrigan learn the spell from her mother,because the books are not mandatory,as i said you can decide to never give to her any gremoire,she will always come to propose the ritual,the proposal is mandatory,the books aren't

 

Morrigan without the DR if in romance say

"you will live in regret if you will survive" she even smile,the comic doesn't work for this scenario as well as with many others,it may work in that very specific case,but it doesn't cover most of scenarios.

[German Soldier]

Never saw that comic before(imho is not even so impressive)

I still remain firmly on my opinion, abandon a friend for a selfish reason is a despicable thing to do.

Also i asked to Morrigan to stay and she responded coldly with the middle finger

"you should have thought sooner"

So no i don't buy that bullshit of a comic as the truth,Morrigan of the game at redcliffe is the opposite,never show regret or remorse in the epilogue of DAO,so far worst character of the cast for me.

[Tidus]

Maker's breath..Morrigan cried in the comic?  In the game she seems to be strong for that weakness even though she came close to tears at one time..

[Aren]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And she'll get even more angry if the warden's own "weakness" leads to her rejecting the offer and sacrificing herself.  

To Morrigan that is the warden deserting her 

• I don't see the Warden who reject the ritual as weak quite the opposite,is a Warden who put duty above everything, love and life,is quite the opposite,is the embodiment of being strong.
• yes in fact when i accused her of desertion,she said that i had abandoned her ,honestly i think that she need an aspirin and a psychiatrist, a good and expensive  one.

[Akiza]

Maker's breath..Morrigan cried in the comic?  In the game she seems to be strong for that weakness even though she came close to tears at one time..

Sorry but i don't share the way in which Morrigan is portrayed in that comic,that person is not Morrigan Gaider have the awful abitue to change his own creations along the road,like the things that he did to try to absolve Loghain.

[Illegitimus]

 

 

 

 

 

 

• I don't see the Warden who reject the ritual as weak quite the opposite,is a Warden who put duty above everything, love and life,is quite the opposite,is the embodiment of being strong.
• yes in fact when i accused her of desertion,she said that i had abandoned her ,honestly i think that she need an aspirin and a psychiatrist, a good and expensive  one.

 

 

 

How you see it doesn't matter.  This is about what Morrigan thinks.  In the specific case of the comic's scenario, where the female warden is love in with Alistair, if the warden refuses Morrigan's offer of the ritual, Morrigan will interpret that, as the warden being so in love that she'd rather die than see her man sleep with another woman.  Morrigan believes love, romantic love in particular is a weakness.  She's been trained to think that by Flemeth, and that in this case that the warden is trying to commit suicide for love is doing much to change her mind.  She isn't much less pissed if a male Warden tells her he'd rather die than sleep with her of course.  Not a lot of women would like to hear that.  

 

And you did after all try to go off and kill yourself.  

[Tidus]

Akiza,Nor do I.. To be honest I will never modify  any of the group appearance either. My GW may be played different from other gamers play theirs but,I like the using the  optional answers  to the questions...

 

My GW is stone cold to his enemies and those that wrong him or his kind  but, he/she has a kind heart that would think nothing of giving a lonely shem child a silver so he can buy something  to eat. On the other hand he/she had no regrets killing  Arl  Howe or  Loghain.. To my GW's mind they was several steps below a darkspawn grunt and just as killable as any darkspawn .

 

 

My female warden doesn't care if Alistairs beds Morrigan since she sees it as a means to save her life..Better then dying while killing the archdemon. Selfish?  No..Practical in her mind.

[Aren]

 

 

And you did after all try to go off and kill yourself.  

It doesn't make sense with 3 GW, she will never know who will die,is exactly like someone said in the first post,instead to remain and ensure that a friend will survive she leave because she doesn't get what she want.

I saw these things as lame excuses  for her distorted view of life,as i said she tells to the warden

"should you live past the norrow it will be in regret"

and i must suppose to believe that in this scenario she leave because she care,it doesn't work even with the most contrived logic.

[Akiza]

 

 

 

My female warden doesn't care if Alistairs beds Morrigan since she sees it as a means to save her life..Better then dying while killing the archdemon. Selfish?  No..Practical in her mind.

The DR is a selfish choice,take an huge risk like that for 1 single life is selfish especially for a GW you're giving powers to both Flemeth and Morrigan for 1 life,it cannot morph in something else,this is way i have no problem in killing Loghain in a practical way and follow Riordan advices,this is practical,the DR is selfish.

Also by killing Loghain for his crimes,but then saving a being who destroyed Ferelden you're using double standards for Loghain and your warden

i don't see any justice in this unlike the redemption of Loghain.

[Illegitimus]

 

Also by killing Loghain for his crimes,but then saving a being who destroyed Ferelden you're using double standards for Loghain and your warden

i don't see any justice in this unlike the redemption of Loghain.

 

Did someone or something use mind control or some kind of insanity inducing potion on Loghain to make him do the things he did?  

[Illegitimus]

 

It doesn't make sense with 3 GW, she will never know who will die,

 

Ah but you see she doesn't know you're going to deliberately let someone else die in your place.  She believes you'll actually try to kill the Arch Demon.   

[Tidus]

My GW can not and will not allow Howe and Loghain to live.

 

His/her thoughts:

 

How could any one trust those two asps of a man?

 

Both allowed his/her family, friends and kind to be sold into slavery-he/she killed Vaughan for rapping Shianni.. There's no way he/she will let slavery slide.

 

Loghain put a price on his/her head and sent assassins to kill him/her. 

 

Loghain turn his back on his King and hundreds of others..

 

What would stop Loghain from turning on the Grays at the first opportunity?  He has proven he can not be trusted.

 

Show Loghain mercy?   Yes.. At the end of his/her sword just like Loghain would my GW and Alistair..

[Illegitimus]

Yes, yes, sparing Loghain as the City Elf is a stretch.  

[Tidus]

Just for the record neither my Dalish or Elf mage would let that slide..

 

If I using a shemlem  I might show mercy but,it would be hard since Loghain did everything in his power to have me killed. and would not hesitate to have me and Alistair executed maybe Leliana  as well simply because she is a Orlesian.

 

I would be looking for payback.

 

Loghain has apparently lost his mind since he sees Orlais a bigger threat   then the darkspawn that's overrunning  Fereldon.

[Aren]

Ah but you see she doesn't know you're going to deliberately let someone else die in your place.  She believes you'll actually try to kill the Arch Demon.   

The first one on the list if i remember was Riordan a rule of the GW,if there is an AD he will be killed by the senior member,so the  order was:

Riordan,Alistair,PC,Loghain (i never killed him without a purpose)

but considering that Loghain is a special case,in the sense that he is guilty for have denied to the others wardens to come in ferelden,i will rewrite the list in

Riordan (he is a dead man),Loghain,Alistair,Pc

The Warden is at the last place.

yes,yes,yes,you can argue that things are more complicated because of Alistair's bellyache, a female Warden is ruined and basically her situation will be:

Riordan(who fail),Loghain (dead because of Alistair's bellyache),Alistair (love interest),Pc

and so is DR,this is why i despise Alistair far,far,by far more than Morrigan,he was useless for my Warden from the beggining to the very end,send him away was mercy.

When i play a female Warden i never  touch him,never saw any interasting quality in him,he was only a problem i would have trade him for Blackwall every day of the week.

She leave because she was pissed that after a year she would not get the soul,but it is not my fault if she revealed this at the eve of battle,with the only purpose to try to use the fear of death of the Warden,i find this type of behaviour to be extremely cowardice,and not honest,if she wish something being clear not deceptive by using the blackmail of the situation.

Yes i'm one of the rare players who don't like neither AListair and neither Morrigan(according to many the two DAo superstar),these two were too childish for my Wardens mindset (a Cousland prince),it was like to deal with two teenagers all the time.

they were a problem for the mission with their critical request,especially Morrigan who tried to derail the mission,from killing the old god,to save him.

In the end in my canon my warden prevailed without them in Denerim (middle finger to the both of them).

These were characters who cared more of their personal interest over the blight,i do not want to have anything to do with them.