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[Vlada47]

 

The first one on the list if i remember was Riordan a rule of the GW,if there is an AD he will be killed by the senior member,so the  order was:

Riordan

Alistair

PC

Loghain (i never killed him without a purpose)

but considering that Loghain is a special case,in the sense that he is guilty for have denied to the others wardens to come in ferelden,i will rewrite the list in

Riordan (he is a dead man)

Loghain

Alistair

Pc

The Warden is at the last place.

yes,yes,yes,you can argue that things are more complicated because of Alistair's bellyache, a female Warden is ruined and basically her situation will be

Riordan(who fail)

Loghain (dead because of Alistair's bellyache)

Alistair (love interest)

Pc

and so is DR,this is why i despise Alistair far,far,by far more than Morrigan,he was useless for my Warden from the beggining to the very end,send him away was mercy.

When i play a female Warden i never  touch him,never saw any interasting quality in him,he was only a problem i would have trade him for Blackwall every day of the week.

She leave because she was pissed that after a year she would not get the soul,but it is not my fault if she revealed this at the eve of battle,with the only purpose to try to use the fear of death of the Warden,i find this type of behaviour to be extremely cowardice,and not honest,if she wish something being clear not deceptive by using the blackmail of the situation.

Yes i'm one of the rare players who don't like neither AListair and neither Morrigan(according to many the two DAo superstar),these two were too childish for my Wardens mindset (a Cousland prince),it was like to deal with two teenagers all the time.

 

 

As far as my list goes... my Warden is right behind Riordan on that list, perhaps even on the same level (should he reach AD first with alive Riordan somewhere behind, he wouldn't wait for him). My Warden doesn't see himself that much important to others (not counting his close friends, lover etc.), especially, when he takes into account that Alistair is now king and only living son of Maric (that he knows of at least). And yes, he would also give his life for a friend... not because of some stupid heroism, but just out of friendship, mutual respect and value of that friend's life. But since Morrigan came up with another way, he doesn't have to... 

[Secret Rare]

As far as my list goes... my Warden is right behind Riordan on that list, perhaps even on the same level (should he reach AD first with alive Riordan somewhere behind, he wouldn't wait for him). My Warden doesn't see himself that much important to others (not counting his close friends, lover etc.), especially, when he takes into account that Alistair is now king and only living son of Maric (that he knows of at least). And yes, he would also give his life for a friend... not because of some stupid heroism, but just out of friendship, mutual respect and value of that friend's life. But since Morrigan came up with another way, he doesn't have to... 

Is not a matter to ask to the companions to follow me like robots but please when there is an AD around being less selfish would be appreciated.

Loghain was an hero he deserved a 2nd chance.

[Aren]

 

 

Abelas said

better that would be lost that fall into the hands of the undeserving------> Morrigan

i agree with him

and yes i do like that the game contemplate the possibility to stop her in both DAO and DAI

 

I do consider the soul of an old god to be a wonder,i do consider Morrigan to be unworthy to carry such a wonder.

[Tidus]

Aren,What concerns me as a player is when Alistair is the father..

 

Alistair isn't the brightness light bulb in the building. 

[Aren]

Aren,What concerns me as a player is when Alistair is the father..

 

Alistair isn't the brightness light bulb in the building. 

Alistair,Oghren are the worst father ever(after Maric of course)

At least Loghain raised an intelligent and smart daughter.

[Vlada47]

 

Is not a matter to ask to the companions to follow me like robots,but please when there is an AD around being less selfish would be appreciated.

Loghain was an hero he deserved a 2nd chance.

As for the Theirin,i never saw their importance honestly,i believe that it is just a stupid tradition,if i maded AListair king it was to deny to him to kill Loghain,but honestly i believe that this tales of the Theirins are overrated,Anora can easily replace him.

Yes just because he is Maric son this doesn't mean that he deserve the throne(he is not even a great king imho,unlike Calenhad ).

And no What Morigan ask is basically to use a child like a jar and alter his behavior (like Dorian's father),which is a repulsive thing to do for my tastes,for some unknowing purpose that she will not reveal and with the risk to trigger another blight,basically an insult for the dead soldiers who fought to defeat this bligh.

The doors are closed

,alias No deal .

I will never allow to that selfish  thing who suggested to kill peoples for amusement to have all this powers with my benediction.

Abelas said

better that would be lost that fall into the hands of the undeserving------> Morrigan

i agree with him

and yes i do like that the game contemplate the possibility to stop her in both DAO and DAI

 

 

Let's take this... step by step.

 

1) I believe I wrote here somewhere I did this primarily because obtaining OG soul could give access to important, maybe even critical, knowledge about darkspawn, archdemons and how things around that work in general (+ whatever we can get from that thing). Bashing heads with hordes of darkspawn for who knows how long, is a shitty solution with at least thousands of dead. If Wardens should concentrate on something between the Blights, it should be gaining whatever knowledge they can about this stuff. It could help on whole number of levels...

 

And yes me surviving the whole thing does factor into my decision, that's true... to that I can say only: I apologize to everybody, who feels betrayed by my decision, for exhibiting the survival instinct like every normal living being.

 

2) Yes, the whole "Theirin blood" thing is not important, if you look at it practically, I totally agree. However... a LOT of people in Ferelden look up to that thing, I doubt Eamon wanted to have Alistair on the throne for sole reason of being relatives, heck even Anora states this - to some people Theirin blood on the throne is more important than practical implications. My Warden really doesn't want to decide the future of Ferelden politics, but everybody forces him to do so... so let's do a compromise that everybody (or at least most people) is happy with - marry Anora to Alistair.

 

3) Hmm... DR being insult to dead soldiers... Well, I think 99% of those soldiers fought to save Ferelden... Ferelden was saved, mission accomplished, all can rest in peace. Besides, I doubt those soldiers actually feel being insulted... they are, you know... dead.

 

Rest/Overall)

I already explained as to why I accepted the ritual... so why do I consider Morrigan able/worthy to have the soul? Well I actually have next to zero problem with her overall attitude. She is selfish yes, she mocks things that some other people might consider important and she often let that know rather bluntly. Where in that is hidden "I want go and rule/destroy everything!" message? Going through her romance arc I could actually find something more to her than being heartless shrew. I understand you don't like her and I kinda understand you given your explanations (of what you believe in... so to speak). That doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong however... neither of us is right and neither of us is wrong in this case, we just chose different path and neither of us can really say, where those paths leads (we can speculate, but that doesn't make one or the other right or wrong), I just chose to find out.

[Secret Rare]

Let's take this... step by step.

 

1) I believe I wrote here somewhere I did this primarily because obtaining OG soul could give access to important, maybe even critical, knowledge about darkspawn, archdemons and how things around that work in general (+ whatever we can get from that thing). Bashing heads with hordes of darkspawn for who knows how long, is a shitty solution with at least thousands of dead. If Wardens should concentrate on something between the Blights, it should be gaining whatever knowledge they can about this stuff. It could help on whole number of levels...

 

And yes me surviving the whole thing does factor into my decision, that's true... to that I can say only: I apologize to everybody, who feels betrayed by my decision, for exhibiting the survival instinct like every normal living being.

 

2) Yes, the whole "Theirin blood" thing is not important, if you look at it practically, I totally agree. However... a LOT of people in Ferelden look up to that thing, I doubt Eamon wanted to have Alistair on the throne for sole reason of being relatives, heck even Anora states this - to some people Theirin blood on the throne is more important than practical implications. My Warden really doesn't want to decide the future of Ferelden politics, but everybody forces him to do so... so let's do a compromise that everybody (or at least most people) is happy with - marry Anora to Alistair.

 

3) Hmm... DR being insult to dead soldiers... Well, I think 99% of those soldiers fought to save Ferelden... Ferelden was saved, mission accomplished, all can rest in peace. Besides, I doubt those soldiers actually feel being insulted... they are, you know... dead.

 

Rest/Overall)

I already explained as to why I accepted the ritual... so why do I consider Morrigan able/worthy to have the soul? Well I actually have next to zero problem with her overall attitude. She is selfish yes, she mocks things that some other people might consider important and she often let that know rather bluntly. Where in that is hidden "I want go and rule/destroy everything!" message? Going through her romance arc I could actually find something more to her than being heartless shrew. I understand you don't like her and I kinda understand you given your explanations (of what you believe in... so to speak). That doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong however... neither of us is right and neither of us is wrong in this case, we just chose different path and neither of us can really say, where those paths leads (we can speculate, but that doesn't make one or the other right or wrong), I just chose to find out.

 One as to be very naive to believe that an old god will share his knowledge with the rest of the world,especially tutored by Morrigan.

She does not wish to share anything

[Vlada47]

Keeping secrets is basically Grey Warden thing, no?  I don't really care, what people will think about me or that decision, I really don't do things for displaying heroism, honor or general approval. A lot of things were built upon lies and secrecy and it works... sometimes even because of it (just look at the Grey Wardens themselves). So far you just rationalize things mostly based on your dislike of Morrigan without really considering the options (pattern is kinda easy to see here).

 

And silliness of fictional survival? You do realize we've been in discussion over 100% fictional stuff, right?   In RL you also don't have Blights, darkspawn, old gods... whatever. It is a part of DA universe however, and "clashing souls" is apparently part of that too... so tell me - how can you consider one thing being silly and not the other as well, hmm?

[Akiza]

 

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

It was directed to me? If so i found this to be pretty hilarious....

Our wardens who knifed Morrigan are the monsters but not the Witch who use infants to buy old gods souls?

Suggest pointless murderings of others?

(city elves,dalish elves,children mages)

But i guess that little tears of comic Aimo are enough of a smokescreen for her fans,well not for me she will be putted down in the Dlc without remorse.

 

 

I attacked Morrigan because I couldn't trust her, just in the same way I had to kill the Architect and Flemeth. My warden sees herself as a guardian of the established order, a protector of continuity, so when Morrigan starts talking about major changes and refuses to give any answers about what her plans are, the warden started to se her as a threat. Why doesn't Morrigan want to answer anything? probably because I'm not going to like what she has to say and I'll try to stop her. Not answering was enough of an answer for me.
Instead she suggests that I should keep hunting Flemeth, but doesn't give me any real reason for doing that either. I thought that this was a case of pupil rebeling against her master, that their intentions where the same and Morrigan simply wanted to use me to get rid of her master, giving her carte blanche to do whatever she wishes.
That said I wasn't satisfied with the ending at all. I thought I was going to fight her, not to assassinate her, and pushing her through the mirror was absurd, I think the line says something like:
I won't let you (attack)

 as I said they made it look as an assassination, not even an execution, it was bioware telling you "you're such a bad bad person"  I tried to roleplay my Warden as a nice person.

[German Soldier]

 

 

That said I wasn't satisfied with the ending at all. I thought I was going to fight her, not to assassinate her, and pushing her through the mirror was absurd, I think the line says something like:
I won't let you (attack)

 as I said they made it look as an assassination, not even an execution, it was bioware telling you "you're such a bad bad person"  I tried to roleplay my Warden as a nice person.

 

As i said i never played the Dlc,because after DAO i was not more interested into the franchise,but if i would have played,i would have taken that option to attack her,i see no reason not to do it,why i should be labeled as an hater or a monster for this why of thinking?It's ridiculous!

She was not a friend anymore,just someone who inserted herself into the group to obtain something and used the Warden's affections or fear of death at the eve of battle to accomplish her goal.

Why i shouldn't attack her? Just because some fans tell to me that i'm a bad person if i would take that option?

I couldn't care less of their judgment.

1)Abandoned the group and proved to be there for this sole reason since the beginning,she don't stay to defend the warden she cared more of the old god soul.

2)Admitted to have deceived the warden.

3)Put in danger the warden life during her mother quest

She sent me there to fight an high dragon without telling me under the specific question,of why she was sent with me to begin with

the infamous line "why you're here if your mother want to possess you?It doesn't make sense"

she lie to this question and she sent you to risk with nothing but a lie,it doesn't matter if she is concerned about her safety,she is senting the warden to Flemeth without being completly honest.

4)She is dishonest,see point 3 plus she doesn't reveal that she want to craft a destiny for her son with the soul of an old god,she is just telling you that she want to preserve the soul at Redclieffe,but obviously this was not the full picture,she intended to use that power for something,but as i have come to understand her plan/expectation failed when Flemeth extracted the soul from the boy.

That option to attack her make sense,you're not killing an innocent you're attacking a threat

[Aren]

 

 

 

 

I attacked Morrigan because I couldn't trust her, just in the same way I had to kill the Architect and Flemeth. My warden sees herself as a guardian of the established order, a protector of continuity, so when Morrigan starts talking about major changes and refuses to give any answers about what her plans are, the warden started to se her as a threat.

The option to attack Morrigan doesn't necessarily need to be justified with the whole "you're threat for the world".

There is even the possibility to take the revenge path,the option is there in WH,it can be seen as something more personal.

For those wardens

she is not a friend anymore ,just someone who abandoned the group at the eve of battle after tons of lies,and only because those wardens valued duty more than their personal interest

(ya know not giving the old god soul to anyone(Flemeth) option than give it to someone with dubious goal).

She was free to go at any time like anyone else,but she admitted that she inserted herself into the group only for the soul, she  doesn't leave because she want to leave,she leave because she doesn't get what she want,which is different.

With my warden king (perish the thought that i will leave the throne to Alistair,is in an incompetent compared to the HoF) i never touched the Dlc,a king doesn't have time to waste with a single apostate,so i used an Orlesian with that world state (in PC is possible)

[Tidus]

Aren,For what its worth Alistair isn't my favorite character.He's weak kneed and fails to take any responsibility and  what gets my nanny goat is the way he turns on your warden if you  decide to kill Connor even though he was the first to mention killing Connor..

 

Unless one is blinded by Morrigan's beauty one can see she has a hidden agenda--I notice that on my first play through. As I mention else where I would have killed her at the first battle of Redcliff but, I needed her power as a black mage..

 

As a side note..I use a Elf so I may play the game differently then others. My Elf is no fool and knows his people is still suffering under the very shems he is defending  and therefore has no love for those that wrongs him or his kind nor is he overly thrilled about being a warden or the apparent suicide mission he's on..  The only shem he has ever grown to trust and love is Leliana.

 

My female city elf is reeling from her wrecked wedding and finds Alistair as a means to mend her broken life  but,as the story unfolds she grows closer to him but, knows it won't last since he is a prince and she knows Ferelden would never accept a elf as queen..

 

It took me awhile to come up with this story line by using different replies that's not fully agreeable.

[Aren]

Aren,For what its worth Alistair isn't my favorite character.He's weak kneed and fails to take any responsibility and  what gets my nanny goat is the way he turns on your warden if you  decide to kill Connor even though he was the first to mention killing Connor..

 

Unless one is blinded by Morrigan's beauty one can see she has a hidden agenda--I notice that on my first play through. As I mention else where I would have killed her at the first battle of Redcliff but, I needed her power as a black mage..

 

 

 

 

I don't have a huge problem with Alistair or Morrigan,but i see them as people that are completely subjugated by someone.

With Alistair is too evident (Duncan,Eamon,The Warden) he is a toy into the hands of someone else for his entire life,then in the silent grove he unleashed his frustration on Yavana.

My problem with Morrigan instead is the fact that she is deceiving herself  

(ironic isn't it?) while she believe that she is acting in a smart way.

She was tricked in a subtle way by Flemeth,who brainwashed her since her childhood,then Flemeth give to Morrigan the 1st part of a ritual that can remove the taint from an AD essence,without telling to her daughter that she knew on how to extract that soul once that the soul was cleaned from the impurity

(which she do in DAI).

Basically Flemeth completely used her daughter,her body and her life without giving to her nothing,while Morrigan believed that she was fighting her mother while in truth she was walking on a path that Flemeth designed for her,and there is no chance for the Warden to make her see reason,the only way is to reject her at Redclieffe,and at that point instead to realize that not performing the ritual is a great benefit for her,she consider the Warden as a fool  and she become super angry.

My problem is the DR,is Morrigan during the DR, she is incapable to realize that she is doing what Flemeth want her to do,she is unstoppable (no rivalry path) the brainwashing is too strong at that point,more than angry, that she leave i'm simply, i don't know shocked to understand that she is completely unwilling to listen anyone that isn't Flemeth, this her greatest flaw.

[Tidus]

Aren,I never saw Alistair as a toy until now but,you are 100% correct.. He has been used by Duncan and more so by Eamon that puts him forth as king.. Did the warden unwittingly go along with Eamon's plan?   Did  Eamon  set the warden up by saying Alistair is heir to the throne  by blood and the best chance to end the civil war and unite Ferelden to fight against the blight?

 

Maybe Loghain's puppeteer was Eamon and not the warden?   

 

 

Thanks for your insight on Morrigan.. I kinda thought she was a troubled woman and what you say brings that to light. I always thought she wanted to be a different person then she was. The reason I thought that is the way she choked back tears  during the friendship conversation between her and the warden.

 

As soon as I finish my current Final Fantasy 10 game I will start a DA:O  game and pay more attention to what Eamon is saying.

[Andromelek]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Alistair willingly gave up command to Warden, who can be the person that did most for him, I don't see any manipulation here, of course, he can be used as your own kamikazee against Archdemon, but you have to kill the dude who wronged him and refuse Morrigan's ritual to kill him on that way, so, it counts as a fair deal.


I don't know if it is for being son of Fiona or something like that, but hell! this dude really needs a brain, Warden and Yavana did little to no harm against him compared to Eamon that dude put Isolde over him, sent him to the Chantry so he likely would end frying his mind on Lyrium, instead Duncan reduced his lifespan to less than the half, then he used as a pawn to win the landsmeet and if he survives origins and becomes king, we find out that Eamon remains as his "advisor" aka puppeteer, but he protects Eamon regardless what while the other two are betrayed just because a tantrum the lad had.

[Tidus]

Alistair was never in command as Morrigan mention in Lothering.. He was the senior warden but, followed the new recruit. My warden was not happy about the "suicide" mission he/she was on like he/she stated at Flemeth's hut.. On the other hand Alistair was gunho about raising a rag time army and fighting the blight instead of trying to contact the Grays in other countries..

[J-Bo89]

Its quite simple really Morrigan simply does not give a f***!! And I absolutely love her for this. She does not make it a point to answer anyones questions with polite charm and has no concern on hurting your feelings or anyone's for that matter. She is one of my favorite characters, she is a fresh change to the cast of DA and her hilarious wit and dialogue are not only intelligent but most of the time are true. it isn't what the other "do-gooder" characters are wanting to hear most likely, but that is Morrigan and I love her for it. She has some sinister secretive ways, but none so threatening or so bad that I had to dislike her, in fact her brutal cold hard truth approach tuned me into her character more and made me more bored with some of the typical and expectant sleepfest comments of characters like Allistair. I have to say though as far as romance goes, its hard for me not to go with leliana she is just so sweet and innocent and also has a lot more to her character lurking in the shadows. ESPECIALLY to see the bad ass chick she will soon become on DAI also influences that as well. But Morrigan is the S**T!!! I can only hope DA4 will involve Morrigan way more or maker her a main character. I would love this and would make sense as Bioware has not revealed too much about her so great opportunity for em to dive in her story and reveal some info!!

[J-Bo89]

And not to be confused with Morrigan's wit and sadistic charm/and often-negative brutally-honest dialogue with Sten. Sten is hard for me to like simply because where Morrigans insults are funny and smart, Sten is just an as&hole most of the time but in such a bland uninteresting way that I gave up trying to please him. he enjoys confrontations as opposed to agreeing and being as nice as you can to his responses, but its more of a hassle than anything. He rarely likes any of the main decisions I ever make and I have to lie or go against my gut almost ALWAYS or he will disapprove. Morrigan does this as well, but she has her ideals and views that are far more predictable and less agitating to prepare for while Sten just seems to dislike anything I do or say. With the Festival DLC gifts, for the first time in my history of playing DA I got his friendship high enough to learn more about him, but had to keep buying these gifts as he continued to dislike my comments. LOL! You'd think he would be just a little more friendly to his savior from certan death. and yes I understand he is Qunari and he probably thinks death would have been more honorable but do NOT question my Warden status on your first few days of being released and then insult me, SCREW YOU STEN!! lol I love origins and have got way off topic so im done!

[Illegitimus]

 

The option to attack Morrigan doesn't necessarily need to be justified with the whole "you're threat for the world".

There is even the possibility to take the revenge path,the option is there in WH,it can be seen as something more personal.

For those wardens

she is not a friend anymore ,just someone who abandoned the group at the eve of battle after tons of lies,

 

No.  One lie, possibly although there's no way for your character to know it was a lie, but it's not like Leliana, Wynne, and Alistair don't hold back important information.  So yeah you can decide that her leaving is an offense for which she must be hunted down and killed.but "tons of lies" is bunk.  

[Akiza]

No.  One lie, possibly although there's no way for your character to know it was a lie, but it's not like Leliana, Wynne, and Alistair don't hold back important information.  So yeah you can decide that her leaving is an offense for which she must be hunted down and killed.but "tons of lies" is bunk.  

What? Are you serious i see only bias of Morrigan fan there,also what's the point? A lie is a lie because the person who receive those lies are still   unaware of the truth

1)She lie about the way in which FLemeth save the warden (she said a giant bird) it was her high dragon form,and yes Morrigan knew this.this is important for point n3.

2)She deceive the warden at the very beginning with FLemeth remember all the theatre that she make to not join the party?When she was already aware of the DR and was just kidding you.

3)She lie during Flemeth quest,it was already discussed in which point when the warden ask the very specific question of why she was sent and putt he warden in danger without informing that her mother is also an high dragon,then she surprisingly say when the deed is done "you returned alive!"

4)She trie to blame Flemeth during th DR conversation when she was a liar as well

5)The cup of the tea the Redcliffe betrayal,it is for my perspective a betrayal she abandoned the group goal because she does not get what she want ,not because she want to leave.

6)She didn't tell to you until the DLc that she intended to obtain the soul to craft a destiny and prepare the child she never mentioned that she wished to craft some sort of supermage,and she never said that the Ritual was intended a means to an end .

 

and i have not even mention the whole disgusting manipulative attitude that she use during the DR

-oh look glory no one has ever done this......

-oh look who do you think AListair would fell about that........

-oh you will allow Loghain to reedem himself, instead to let him be a traitor.....

-oh think about Leliana....

-oh and what about Zevran?

 

Do Morrigan believe that the Warden is stupid or something? I really dislike this stupid attitude that Morrigan maintain for the whole game

 

I really do not understand of why some players have the sadistic attitude to like someone who deceived them from the start,don't you have some dignity? Why defend someone who tricked you is beyond me

Sorry but i just believe that my accusations are rather strong.

 

 

 

The only thing that i have saw until now in the forum was just Morrigan fans who tried to defend her without telling nothing of substantial and without put proves on the table for this supposed Morrigan's innocence,just personal perception and a frills of a comic which is not even part of every scenarios but maybe,maybe just one,sorry as i said comic aimo doesn work in 99% of the redclieffe scenarios

 

-male warden

-non romanced Alistair

-non friendship with Morrigan

-Loghain warden

-romanced Morrigan 

(she say to the warden when the DR is refused that the warden deserve only regret ,and she smile)

-not recruited Morrigan

[Secret Rare]

completely forgot about the whole giant bird thing,thank you Akiza,it may seem like something trivial but we have to take that into account for Flemeth confrontation,Morrigan is sending the warden into the danger without reveal the High dragon thing.

[Vlada47]

 

 

I really do not understand of why some players have the sadistic attitude to like someone who deceived them from the start,don't you have some dignity? Why defend someone who tricked you is beyond me

 

 

I believe the word you're looking for is masochistic? Sadistic would be pretty much opposite of what you describe...

 

And yes she deceive you with a bunch of things, why would I be so mad with her because of that, when I don't lose anything important over it? Maybe you just expect people to have ONE view on things, but they don't... What Morrigan does in the game, all those lies and other questionable things, something similar have done to me a lot of people in my life and from my perspective, I gained a lot from that, it kept me on my toes at least so to speak, so I could be more successful later. I don't care much about my dignity or honor or whatever... what do I get from that, a warm feeling? I didn't grow up in environment filled with comfort or honesty, I had to pretty much learn how to "see into people", how to hide some intentions from them, how to be calculating and how to put up with uncomfortable things, that's just the way of my life. What I try to do at least, is take a look on the world from different perspective and don't throw away ideas, just because I don't initially like them. I value a lot of stuff that Morrigan in the game values, like knowledge, power and ability to reach your goals even through some sacrifices, very highly... other people might value different things, that's all fine and well and that's the way it ought to be... life would be pretty boring, should all people have the same ideas and opinions, if you ask me. 

 

So no, I don't support Morrigan, because I would be some fanboy of her (I don't like being a fanboy of anything in fact)... I just had certain experience in my life that allows me to put up with Morrigan's approach rather easily. I don't mind that you don't like her, that's perfectly fine and you should be perfectly fine with me (or others) to like her and go along with her. I hope I kinda enlightened the reason I sort of support her...

[Tidus]

During my first play through I seen two things right off the bat..I needed a black mage and Morrigan filled that bill and that she had a hidden agenda.

 

As far as that asp of a man Loghain he is a criminal that should be charged with treason, dereliction of duty, cowardice in front of the enemy, crimes against humanity, attempted murder, aiding and abetting slavery  and complicity to  murder. In my games he will pay for his crimes just like Arl Howell.

 

Loghain is a vile criminal.. Morrigan is out for personal gain wanting to acquire  the soul of the old God after double crossing her mother.

 

Loghain is expendable. Morrigan is needed as a black mage.

 

I'm not a fanboy of either one of those vile humans.

[Aren]

No.  One lie, possibly although there's no way for your character to know it was a lie, but it's not like Leliana, Wynne, and Alistair don't hold back important information.  So yeah you can decide that her leaving is an offense for which she must be hunted down and killed.but "tons of lies" is bunk.  

 When i will play WH with my canon warden king (have not happened yet) i highly doubt that i will attack her, as i see her more as naive and disingenuous

(ironic that many found her to be clever,Flemeth is clever not Morrigan,the woman didn't even rise her ass from her hut  to obtain what she wanted)

rather than dangerous,her talking about freedom in the Dlc is more something that comes from a personal desire rather than a premeditated plan for something.

People who were worried and/or interested in Morrigan's plan only to realize that there wasn't a plan,(this is very evident from the answers in WH non DR version and from DAI)

only the desire of a woman to possess more power without knowing the nature of the elven gods.

So as a final conclusion i would say that Morrigan is good in painting herself as being clever and knowledgeable and with a plan,which is completely different of being truly clever and knowledgeable and up to do something with power aka FLemeth.

Vengeance is something that i will leave to someone else is not on my canon warden style .