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[Tidus]

Aren, One of the many lessons I learned in my life's journey one doesn't get careless around their enemies.. I almost leaned that the hard way in the summer of '68.  Loghain is a enemy of your warden and Alistair plain and simple..Morrigan on the other hand has done nothing to harm the warden other then deceive him/her on her private quest to get the OGC after double crossing her mother..However,in DA:2 Flemeth seems to know Morrigan will attempt something against her.

 

While I have a love/hate relationship with Morrigan I loath Loghain for the many crimes he has committed and for,calling the wardens traitors, placing a bounty on their heads and  sending assassins after the wardens. 

 

No..I can't allow that asp of a man to live and become a GW no more then I can allow my warden to sacrifice his/her life for those that has wrong him and his people for centuries. Remember the only reason my elf is a warden because he/she killed a Arl's son for raping Shianni and killing Nola.

[Akiza]

.Morrigan on the other hand has done nothing to harm the warden

I did paid more attention at Flemeth quest,so since that due to Metagaming i was already aware of Morrigan double crossing,i decided to not help her freely,this time i asked to her of why i should have helped her,she said that she would have used the grimoire to help my cause (this include in theory the final battle) by learn some new spell.

So i did the effort to put my warden in danger against that high dragon of FLemeth,and in return Morrigan didn't maintained her promise because she left.

(This time she did this promise to me,not to her mother as i said)

And while Loghain made more damage than her,she still did a lot of damage to my warden since i putted my warden in danger for her and the grimoire,and in return she  didn't mantained her word.

Alas i did consider this as definitive betrayal,she said something that she didn't maintained and i risked my warden life for that book.

[Tidus]

Akiza, Even knowing Morrigan had a unknown agenda in my in first game I foolishly put my warden in danger  by fighting Dragon Flemeth and in the second  game I played  I was wiser to Morrigan's ways and made a deal with Flemeth and  got the book and returned to camp.

 

I allowed Morrigan to draw her own conclusions on what happen. I figured two could play Morrigan's game of double cross and deceive.

[Aren]

The kind of victory obtained with the Ritual seems to be too hollow for me,I do not allow to the enemy to survive in any form.

This is way among all the endings the DR is for me the most hollow,you won a battle vs Urthemiel,you however didn't won the war against him,and he granted later something to Flemeth because of this.

I was always incapable to see this win-win scenario of whom some talked about,because for me it isn't, the DR ending did not kill the old god,i don't want the AD i want his life as well and if Morrigan decided to be more inclined to help the old god,well she can't blame the warden for the attack in WH,she decided to be more with the one who lost..

[Tidus]

Aren,In DA:I Morrigan mentions "her warden" was a excellent father so, apparently the warden joined her somewhere either at the mirror in WH or later on..

 

The GW that strikes the killing blow will die..Another AD will arise and start a new blight in the future and thousands more will die before another GW kills the AD only to repeat the process in the future again and again,and again. The GW death is in vain since the war wasn't won. This cycle reminds me of the way a summoner  is sacrifice in FF10 stopping Sin,only to have Sin to reappear few years later. 

 

If Morrigan's DR will end that vicious cycle then it should be tried so, the war is won over just ending another blight.

[Illegitimus]

Aren,In DA:I Morrigan mentions "her warden" was a excellent father so, apparently the warden joined her somewhere either at the mirror in WH or later on..

 

The GW that strikes the killing blow will die..Another AD will arise and start a new blight in the future and thousands more will die before another GW kills the AD only to repeat the process in the future again and again,and again. The GW death is in vain since the war wasn't won. This cycle reminds me of the way a summoner  is sacrifice in FF10 stopping Sin,only to have Sin to reappear few years later. 

 

If Morrigan's DR will end that vicious cycle then it should be tried so, the war is won over just ending another blight.

 

Well, in truth there's only a couple of arch demons to go.  Of course after that comes the blight that we will have no way of ending.  

[Tidus]

I suppose we could end that winless blight by  closing off the deep roads by causing  massive cave ins at several key locations before it started. We killed the Mother and Architect in DA:A. I'm sure the wardens could kill Morrigan,Flemeth and the OGC as a safety precaution in DA:5 or maybe DA:6..   Could there be a super AD, super Architect or super mother in hiding for DA:7?

[Vlada47]

Maybe they work like bacteria... they just mutate into something we can't currently deal with.   

[Aren]

 

 

If Morrigan's DR will end that vicious cycle then it should be tried so, the war is won over just ending another blight.

It was already proved that it will not end nothing,on the contrary can be used to bring even more chaos

The sacrifice is In vain? 

Old gods are in a limited edition,5 dead another 2 after 400 years when theodosians will have shotgun ,machine guns and automatic strikers.

i don't see the issue another two and the blights will be over forever.

With the DR you just allow to one of them to escape after all the efforts,basically many died but the old god wasn't killed,it's a waste for me,you lost the battle against the old god,and GW are there to finish them forever not to save them,so that one day they can be corrupted again or used for the plans of some abomination.

[Secret Rare]

 

It was already proved that it will not end nothing,on the contrary can be used to bring even more chaos

The sacrifice is In vain? 

Old gods are in a limited edition,5 dead another 2 after 400 years when theodosians will have shotgun ,machine guns and automatic strikers.

i don't see the issue another two and the blights will be over forever.

With the DR you just allow to one of them to escape after all the efforts,basically many died but the old god wasn't killed,it's a waste for me,you lost the battle against the old god,and GW are there to finish them forever not to save them,so that one day they can be corrupted again or used for the plans of some abomination.

 

Is the same for me,in vain in something that doesn't have an effect,which isn't the case here,since the sacrifice kill that thing permanently =victory.

The DR instead let you waste so many lives without killing completely the opponent (shallow victory).

Basically all the forces are used to appease Morrigan goal,which is for sure something that i will never do,the army is mine and is meant to kill the old god forever,not to allow to Morrigan to have access to it (stupid witch).

I cannot even imagine on why she thought that was possible to use my and my army

in exchange of what? My life? Sorry baby my life is something that i already possess.

Where's your temptation exactly?

[Aren]

 

 

in exchange of what? My life? Sorry baby my life is something that i already possess.

Where's your temptation exactly?

 

This is exactly my grip with the ritual,what she had to offer?

I didn't lose anything particularly noteworthy without the ritual,on the contrary i also killed Loghain with the dragon god,an amazing victory, two villain at once and as an extra reward Flemeth didn't gain nothing in DAI.

I'm clearly missing something,because i try harder to understand and yet i don't see this supposed win scenario with the FLemeth ritual,the warden basically allowed to be used for Flemeth gain and both Morrigan and the protagonist were used  by her.

[Tidus]

Maybe the warden grateful that Flemeth rescue him even though it was for her personal gain .By all rights the warden should have died in Ishal tower the warden knows this all to well. For me Loghain will never be a option.. So, the DR may not be as shallow victory after all.

 

Both the city elf and the dwarf commoner has one thing in common.. Neither has nothing to gain by living or by dying. So,why should they throw their lives away for people that doesn't care for them?  The Shems will still look down on the Elves and the brands in Orzammar will still be castless and look down upon.

 

If Loghain is used and becomes the Hero of Ferelden.

 

More then likely the real Hero of Ferelden will be forgotten and the forgotten "hero" will more then likely to die drunk and alone in a Alienage or Dust Town. The male Elf even lost his lady love as we learned in DA:2 and again in DA:I.

 

Or if the male killed Loghain and did the DR he could help raise his child and be called upon to do another thankless GW task.

[German Soldier]

 

And Aren, if you spare Loghain, it kills the romance/friendship, so that's over anyway, doing far more trauma to it than one night with Morrigan does.  Not seeing the logic of your argument there.  Alistair doesn't leave the warden to go running after Morrigan and his baby.  I consider my canon (a female Surana who made him king and remained his mistress and had the DR) to be happy ending, not something some of the posters on the board would agree with but it makes me happy.  Sometimes you have to take your happy ending with a bit of bittersweet, and I find this just the right dose.  

 

Obviously the overall theme of Origins is "Sacrifice".  To resolve the issue of the AD, something must be sacrificed, either a man's soul or a man's innocence.

 

was to commiserate about what a terrible and evil b*tch she is.

 

 

I recently completed (only by seeing) DAI,im all for listen others people opinions,but they have to bring strong facts on the table otherwise i'm not inclined to change my opinion.

Ok i'm especially interested in those words,honestly i did consider Morrigan as to be more evil than anything else,since i don't see any redeemable qualities in her.

Also you are not a man so you cannot even imagine on how is the pain to have a child just to lost him,the argument is pretty logic,kill a friendship or a romance is nothing compared to lost a son,the Loghain redemption is by far a less dark scenario thatn the DR Alistair,Loghain or the Warden have to lose a son because of Morrigan so don't talk for a male perspective if you didn't played with a male Warden,you warden is not a parent of this child and you cannot know what Alistair or Loghain felt,regret for the rest of their life because of Morrigan

I did not came up from nowhere, since as far i can remember those are the things on the balance

In DAO

she approves if you:

kill the merchant at Lothering she even smile.

kill the dalish elves with the werewolves

kill the city elves for a blood sacrifice

kill the children mages for no reason

enslave the soul of the dwarves

enslave the girl to a demon

sacrifice Isolde

not help redcliffe

Use a child as a tool to absorb the essence of a monster

Abandon a warden and if in romance tell to them to live in regret

she also stole a book from a dalish clan in WH

In DAO she disapproves of an altruistic deeds even if those deeds are way more practical than the evil choice

Yes DAO is filled with quest that boil down with a right wrong morality

(aside from the Dwarves plot)

Morrigan often picked the side of the evil choices, for no reason other than to satisfied her ego

In DAI

she lie once to the Inquisitor

She isn't there to protect Celene despite the fact that she claim to be protecting her

She kill Abelas

Only thing that i saw in her defence was this supposed comic that is not even a scene in game,or the fact that she is more friendly towards the dog or the Warden.

This is nothing for the equilibrium of the balance

So,are you really serious when you claim that this is a grey character?

Black+White=Grey    But i don't see any mix here,on the contrary Loghain  is ready to sacrifice himself and to admit his mistakes,he also did a lot for Ferelden in the past,so i do consider him as to be a grey character for what i saw and for what is his past,but Morrigan?

where are her redeemable qualities? where?

[German Soldier]

Maybe the warden grateful that Flemeth rescue him even though it was for her personal gain .By all rights the warden should have died in Ishal tower the warden knows this all to well. For me Loghain will never be a option.. So, the DR may not be as shallow victory after all.

 

If Loghain is used and becomes the Hero of Ferelden.

 

More then likely the real Hero of Ferelden will be forgotten and the forgotten "hero" will more then likely to die drunk and alone in a Alienage or Dust Town. The male Elf even lost his lady love as we learned in DA:2 and again in DA:I.

 

Or if the male killed Loghain and did the DR he could help raise his child and be called upon to do another thankless GW task.

Is shallow you  didn't kill the old god completly and you gave it to flemeth,i will call it a failure,really,Flemeth took the old god and she can do what she want,also the true old god inside the body proved to be  (by the manner of speech) a sinister being,also the mind of the child was altered against his will (Evil).

 

 As Alistair said in DAI (proof,fact) nobody care 10 years later

Glory is the vanity of a moment,and is for moron hounds

[Akiza]

 

I recently completed (only by seeing) DAI,im all for listen others people opinions,but they have to bring strong facts on the table otherwise i'm not inclined to change my opinion.

Ok i'm especially interested in those words,honestly i did consider Morrigan as to be more evil than anything else,since i don't see any redeemable qualities in her.

Also you are not a man so you cannot even imagine on how is the pain to have a child just to lost him,the argument is pretty logic,kill a friendship or a romance is nothing compared to lost a son,the Loghain redemption is by far a less dark scenario thatn the DR Alistair,Loghain or the Warden have to lose a son because of Morrigan so don't talk for a male perspective if you didn't played with a male Warden,you warden is not a parent of this child and you cannot know what Alistair or Loghain felt,regret for the rest of their life because of Morrigan

I did not came up from nowhere, since as far i can remember those are the things on the balance

In DAO

she approves if you:

kill the merchant at Lothering she even smile.

kill the dalish elves with the werewolves

kill the city elves for a blood sacrifice

kill the children mages for no reason

enslave the soul of the dwarves

enslave the girl to a demon

sacrifice Isolde

not help redcliffe

Use a child as a tool to absorb the essence of a monster

Abandon a warden and if in romance tell to them to live in regret

she also stole a book from a dalish clan in WH

 

yeah is basically 20 evil deeds in game + attempted manipulation vs 1 single comic crocodile tears which is not even in game.

I already pointed out this,and yet people continue to justify this with by she was raised by FLemeth and this that.as if in this world there aren't people who had a worse life than Morrigan.

As i said that abominaton named little dark Kieran do not exist in my game and in Bioware canon,also i attacked her without no regret.

Yep i want  to see facts no vain words, only thing that i saw is Morrigan try to defend her same blood (his son),and yet protect a member of your family put suddenly a balance?

She did nothing for anyone other than often approve of their death (Abelas)

[Vlada47]

 

Also you are not a man so you cannot even imagine on how is the pain to have a child just to lost him,the argument is pretty logic,kill a friendship or a romance is nothing compared to lost a son,the Loghain redemption is by far a less dark scenario thatn the DR Alistair,Loghain or the Warden have to lose a son because of Morrigan so don't talk for a male perspective if you didn't played with a male Warden,you warden is not a parent of this child and you cannot know what Alistair or Loghain felt,regret for the rest of their life because of Morrigan

 

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In DAO

she approves if you:

kill the merchant at Lothering she even smile.

kill the dalish elves with the werewolves

kill the city elves for a blood sacrifice

kill the children mages for no reason

enslave the soul of the dwarves

enslave the girl to a demon

sacrifice Isolde

not help redcliffe

Use a child as a tool to absorb the essence of a monster

Abandon a warden and if in romance tell to them to live in regret

she also stole a book from a dalish clan in WH

...

 

 

And I guess you have a personal experience about losing a child? If not... well, how can you know?   Besides... you think a woman wouldn't have any pain from having her child lost to her? Or you think a man's pain over it is somehow greater? Because that's the feeling I get from that paragraph. And I am also pretty convinced that sylvanaerie played a male Warden at least once.   As for my male Warden, he didn't lose his child as far as I know.

 

On those decisions... I have to admit, about half of them were bad from both morale and logic point of view on Morrigan's part, but...

 

I would maybe set the werewolves upon Dalish, if I didn't have patience to talk some sense into their keeper. I was really tempted to keep the Anvil, because imagine the potential of golem army against the Darkspawn, but I wasn't convinced Branka or any of the dwarves currently in power would use it sensibly. Sacrificing Isolde would be my choice, if I couldn't get to the Tower and bring the magi, she had a pretty big part in what happened there and she agreed on the blood ritual, so pretty viable solution in my book. Some other stuff... well I think Morrigan is looking for a easy way out of things... my Warden would probably always want to go extra way to spare as many people as he can, but I won't blame her for thinking that way.

[Tidus]

German Soldier, There was a old saying that I once heard and it still rings true.. "Ain't nothing worth dying for". And that is why I won't sacrifice my warden or spare that asp of a man Loghain.. So ,Flemeth gets the Old God no big deal..We can kill  Flemeth, Morrigan and the OG it in DA: 5 or 6.

 

The city elf is justified in many ways for not  wanting to die for the Shems and for killing Logain

[Aren]

the argument is pretty logic,kill a friendship or a romance is nothing compared to lost a son,the Loghain redemption is by far a less dark scenario thatn the DR Alistair,Loghain or the Warden have to lose a son because of Morrigan 

Exactly,i don't understand what's so difficult to comprehend,lose a son due to the Dark ritual is by far worse than kill 

momentary or permanently a friendship with Alistair (depend on player choice)or a romance.

[Gaia300]

 

Exactly,i don't understand what's so difficult to comprehend,lose a son due to the Dark ritual is by far worse than kill 

momentary or permanently a friendship with Alistair (depend on player choice)or a romance.

 

Oh yes for Alistair Loghain things are precisely in this way,aside from their meeting of 3 sec as Warden they nev got to see Kieran,not that they gave to me the impression to care about him,which make sense sure,but it's sad.

As i said my first was the Warden commander but i shifetd the decision to Loghain redemption (Yhee Metagame is powerful) 

[Tidus]

As I mention elsewhere at this point of the game my Elf warden is fed up with everything especially after finding out his friends and family was being taken in slavery..

 

No lovey dovey all is forgiven here.. Just pure hate for the man that caused it all.. Everybody has a breaking point and after being called a traitor, having assassins try to kill him/her,a bounty on placed on their head and all this while the warden was trying to raise a army to combat the blight in order to save Ferelden. I fully believe that breaking point was reached when my warden finally meets Loghain. 

 

As far as the DR why not?  Better then dying for those that hate you and your kind.

[German Soldier]

And I guess you have a personal experience about losing a child? If not... well, how can you know?   Besides... you think a woman wouldn't have any pain from having her child lost to her? Or you think a man's pain over it is somehow greater? Because that's the feeling I get from that paragraph. And I am also pretty convinced that sylvanaerie played a male Warden at least once.   As for my male Warden, he didn't lose his child as far as I know.

 

On those decisions... I have to admit, about half of them were bad from both morale and logic point of view on Morrigan's part, but...

 

I would maybe set the werewolves upon Dalish, if I didn't have patience to talk some sense into their keeper. I was really tempted to keep the Anvil, because imagine the potential of golem army against the Darkspawn, but I wasn't convinced Branka or any of the dwarves currently in power would use it sensibly. Sacrificing Isolde would be my choice, if I couldn't get to the Tower and bring the magi, she had a pretty big part in what happened there and she agreed on the blood ritual, so pretty viable solution in my book. Some other stuff... well I think Morrigan is looking for a easy way out of things... my Warden would probably always want to go extra way to spare as many people as he can, but I won't blame her for thinking that way.

I cannot see the strength of your argument against it, since you invoked out of the field situations that were not even discussed or that don't fit there. 

It was never implied a real life situation about mothers who lose their son, it was just a reference tied to Dragon age Origins which doesn't have a scenario like this.

Morrigan as far as i'm concerned cannot lose Kieran if he is conceived

(if he is not conceived it cannot be lost is pretty simple) only the male Warden can lose the child (Loghain,Alistair or The Warden) and in the scenario that was described in those post where i said to Sylvanerie that this could have been a trauma in the long run for Alistair and also for Loghain,and she said that a night with a woman is less traumatic than have to lost momentary a friend 

(if you spare Loghain and then he will die 2 days later) which is not the case,because you are let those Wardens have a child that they will never be able to see,which is the absolute truth for both Loghain,Alistair and a male Waden who is not lover with Morrigan.

Also the whole thing work with a male Warden who was in romance with her as well,since you have no idea for 2-3 years if you will met her again,it's traumatic from a male perspective by far traumatic than just have to disagree with Alistair or make him angry..

You did the DR an d for 1-2 years you didn't not even know what kind of child you created.

My perspective? With an human Kieran is more easy(especially in DAI where he is not kidnapped by Flemeth),because the Warden who roamanced Morrigan don't get to know about him until WH.and so there is literally no problem,i don't lose a son,not even momentary because i don't even know that he exist,also he is not even used like a container for chtulu.

You argued of a possible female scenario,but i remind to you that Morrigan cannot lose Kieran,is not part of the game,you broughted up a situation that is not even in the game,so there is nothing to discuss about it.

I responded to the post by sayng that is not a good thing for a father to lose a son,and that this is more traumatic than just lose a friend or a lover,because you know a son is imho more important,and as i said neither Loghain or Alistair will come to really know him.

As for your Warden meet Kieran,you ar using metagame and  also a scenario who was not even included in the first point in that post,and yet with your choice you altered his mind twice (one because of the ritual and one because o Flemeth)! and also put him in danger against FLEMETH WHO WANTED THAT SOUL.also Flelmth obtained that power and you will have no idea of the consequences,imho compared to the redemption this is a  failure.

 

 

 Now for your point 2 werewolves from a logical point of view are bad and Morrigan is  a moron to want them more than the dalish.

Morrigan also enjoy the killing that the werewolves commit in the dalish camp,which is evil,she enjoy their killing,this is evil and yet people want ot justify her with that stupid comic?!?

Flemeth never rised her to hate the dalish or killing people for no reason,this is only Morrigan doing.

OH duu the world  is mad or i'm trully not capable to comprhend!.

Werewolves are beasts you cannot honestly trust more some beasts in your camp rather than some elves.also werewolves are susceptible 

(codex from DAA) to the corruption which will turn them against you if they got infected,also they have their own curse which is an epidemy,you and your allies risk to become one of them if you got infected.

The intelligent choice is to destroy the curse,is a benefit for all of Ferelden,otherwise,whats the point in stopping a blight if you will later have an invasion of werewolves and a more chatastrophic epidemy? Morrigan advice is stupid at best and evil at worse

Also Morrigan as i said approve of use blood magic to kill Isolde which is stupid.

The most logical ,smarter and also good thing to do is to sent the Warden alone to the circle of magi to call the mages,while the others members of your staff will remain with Jowan to guard Connor,if things will get worse before of the Warden return then use Isolde,but only then not immediatly.

Morrigan is one of the most stupidest character that i have ever seen in a video game,her suggestion are not only evil and stupid but also not pratical.

I still remember that her first suggestion at Lothering was to go to Loghain and kill him,ok now if i'm, i don't know someone like  Majin Bu i have no problem in doing that,but this is not the case.

And so now i know on why Flemeth first advice was to not let Morrigan talk,be just a silent guide because everything that she said was never smarter or intelligent,Dark ritual included since i refused and because of that Flemeth never gained cthulu soul.

 

edit also as you said about all the points of my previous list no one as far as i'm concerned defended Morrigan,because there is nothing to argue about it,they were evil things,so i do not take Andy or Sylvanerie when they said that Morrigan of DAO isn't evil,she is,as i said a dog,a comic that do not even work in 90% of scenarios (but only maybe,maybe with a female warden who romanced Alistair) and the Warden as counterpoints are nothing compared to her dark side.

As i said also that comic that make only the fanboys like Andy cry

(which is for sure not your case since you already said that you honestly don't care about a fictional character) do not work in all cases but only one,you n eed only to see others forum or site about people who played the game and many many of them don't have an enthusiasitc opinion about her for all of her misdeeds,which as i said in DAi is also kill like a coward in the back Abelas for something that was not even her property.

Again the smartest thing to do in this scenario was to allow Abelas to destroy the well of sorrow and ask to him how to kill Corypheus,he is an high priest who already possess that knowledge (this is why he do not drink from the well).

To that point there is literally no reason for the Inquisitor to listen Morrigan outrageous excuses to drink from the well.

Trust someone who killed in cold blood someone who was not even attacking you while your party was the invader? Are we serious?

Stab someone who is in his home and is not attacking you, in the back is evil, plain and simple and anyone who said otherwise for whatever reason is just blind and full of bias,and i will not even listen to people who are ready to justify this because they like someone.

Suggest pointless killing of others is evil,use men and lovers of others to conceive child just to use them (both the child and the male warden) is evil,separate a father from a child for no reason like she demand during the dark ritual even to a romanced warden is evil,suggest to kill children is evil,suggest to kill people just because you don't like them( case of wynne) is evil,suggest to sacrifice the mother of a child before to try an alternative is evil, force a demon into an innocent child is evil,kill a merchant for no reason  is evil.

Morrigan is more evil than grey and those are all proofs,proofs, not insignificant words.

[Tidus]

German Soldier, Morrigan is indeed evil but,not as evil as Loghain. I shudder at the idea of two evils having a OGC.. That will never happen in my games.

 

At any rate many have stated no DR  but, the story lines in DA:I tells another story.. Was there some unknown double crossing tomfoolery going on behind the scenes?   After all Morrigan has the OGC in DA:I and the warden help raise the child and according to Morrigan  the warden is a wonderful father...

[Illegitimus]

I don’t like her, but I like the idea of her, that they put such a rotten person in your party.

Still, her dialogue was some of the most frustrating writing I’ve ever seen in a game, almost every question goes along the lines of ...

“What’s your name?”

“Ah, but what is a name? Tis a silly human construction, used to label that which they don’t understand, you know me as a witch of the wilds, an apostate, an abomination, and Morrigan. Call me what you will”

OHMYGODSHUTUPMORRIGAN!

 

 

Actually that's Flemeth's dialogue.  Morrigan's version is:

 

"Tell me your name and I shall tell you mine."

 

"Bob"

 

"And you may call me Morrigan".

 

Slightly pretentious, because Morrigan IS pretentious and is trying to intimidate the warden candidates while ingratiating herself to the PC by showing them politeness she won't show the others, but it is Flemeth who starts babbling about how names don't matter and she's had a lot of names.  

[German Soldier]

German Soldier, Morrigan is indeed evil but,not as evil as Loghain. 

I never said that what Loghain did was not evil,but the fact is that i can kill him in two different ways,i have not even redeemed him since the bastard enslaved people,poisoned a man and force a child to talk to a demon as well as toruterd other people.

My DAO end was  sacrifice or the warden commander ending,i have no problem in killing my warden or AListair since i like more sci fi (Mass effect) i don't even care about it.

Loghain can pay for his misdeeds,Morrigan can't,Morrigan didn't do what Loghain did because she wasn't in power,otherwise she would for example sacrificed the elves,she suggest this.........

But the point of the post was that i'm so sick to see people who wish to paint her as a grey character because of a comic that doesn't make sense for many as well as because of few banter with an animal ,a dog

[Aren]

 

 

Suggest pointless killing of others is evil,use men and lovers of others to conceive child just to use them (both the child and the male warden) is evil,separate a father from a child for no reason like she demand during the dark ritual even to a romanced warden is evil,suggest to kill children is evil,suggest to kill people just because you don't like them( case of wynne) is evil,suggest to sacrifice the mother of a child before to try an alternative is evil, force a demon into an innocent child is evil,kill a merchant for no reason  is evil.

Morrigan is more evil than grey and those are all proofs,proofs, not insignificant words.

 

So i'm not the only one after all who see these things as bad?

Oh suddenly i don't feel so lonely and crazy anymore the world has sense again.

the demon child was the girl at Yonhelat right? poor thing