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[German Soldier]

 

So i'm not the only one after all who see these things as bad?

Oh suddenly i don't feel so lonely and crazy anymore the world has sense again.

the demon child was the girl at Yonhelat right? poor thing

 

 

Illegitimus, Morrigan does try  to intimidate the warden candidates but, by using the other answers you can show her you are not afraid-unlike  Daveth and Jory that shows their fear.. She may even been a tad frighten of you since she watched your journey through the wilds.This will come out later in the game.

btb AListair isn't afraid of her since he also threatened her for the documents.

She never striked me  particularly because she was a danger" if i would have attacked her in WH it would have been more for her betrayal,which is indeed a betrayal.

As for where she betrayed me i will tell you.

Circle of mages quest she asked to me to find a book

 (what was the 1st grimoire i think) and my warden who was very dutiful didn't have time to take care of the quest,yet my warden asked to her,this was the excat conversation

Warden: "what i have to gain from it,my concern is the blight"

Morrigan: "It would be useful for you"

Warden:"how so?"

Morrigan:useful in the sense that wil lallow me to be more powerful and effective against the blight,useful in the sense that will help me to aid you better"

Warden:"we have a deal then"

and yet she betrayed me at Redclieffe because she left before that the archdemon was killed,she didn't maintained her word,what she said during the quest of the 1st Grimoire

I swear there is the possibility for the warden to ask a reward for the 1st grimoire and the reward is for her help with the grimoire against the blight,yet she didn't maintained her words.

i don't understand as for why i shouldn't classify this a betrayal,the writers ever inserted the option there,because it made sense,especially in my case,in fact in this scenario her defences are so weak that she isn't capable to justify herself properly,as each of the 3 accusations

Abandoned

lied

try to use with manipulation

are true

plus as i said the whole fact of the 1st grimoire.

[Tidus]

German Soldier, The only time Morrigan has left the group was in my first two games is when I refused to do the DR other then that she was by my side during  the AD battle in the last 11 play throughs.

 

In my games I need Morrigan's magic that's why I build her up with strong magic and when I face the AD I have 4 tanks 2 rogues,Alistair and Morrigan. My third rogue tank Leliana is left behind with the remaining group members (in military speak) for any rear guard action or could counter attack any flanking move.

[Illegitimus]

 

btb AListair isn't afraid of her since he also threatened her for the documents.

She never striked me  particularly because she was a danger" if i would have attacked her in WH it would have been more for her betrayal,which is indeed a betrayal.

As for where she betrayed me i will tell you.

Circle of mages quest she asked to me to find a book

 (what was the 1st grimoire i think) and my warden who was very dutiful didn't have time to take care of the quest,yet my warden asked to her,this was the excat conversation

Warden: "what i have to gain from it,my concern is the blight"

Morrigan: "It would be useful for you"

Warden:"how so?"

Morrigan:useful in the sense that wil lallow me to be more powerful and effective against the blight,useful in the sense that will help me to aid you better"

Warden:"we have a deal then"

and yet she betrayed me at Redclieffe because she left before that the archdemon was killed,she didn't maintained her word,what she said during the quest of the 1st Grimoire

 

 

If you're going to hold people to their word, you should pay more attention to what they specifically say.  

[German Soldier]

German Soldier, The only time Morrigan has left the group was in my first two games is when I refused to do the DR other then that she was by my side during  the AD battle in the last 11 play throughs.

 

In my games I need Morrigan's magic that's why I build her up with strong magic and when I face the AD I have 4 tanks 2 rogues,Alistair and Morrigan. My third rogue tank Leliana is left behind with the remaining group members (in military speak) for any rear guard action or could counter attack any flanking move.

I'm not arguing about that,the warden can keep her because of her magic skills,albeit i'm of the opinion that she is not necessary or vital especially if you recruit the mages,since i had as mages Wynne my Warden and also 12 13 mages of the army.

I was arguing about he whole betrayal thing that some peoples  claimed is not there and that is a matter of perception,and yet i used Morrigan's own words to accuse her

If you're going to hold people to their word, you should pay more attention to what they specifically say.  

If you are going to use excuses to justify someone instead to bring proof on the table like i did,than you can't be credible is simple.

The Dialogue is more or less correct

(given that i played DAO some years ago,but i saw the scene again in a video weeks ago)

and that's what she said,when she wasn't trying yet to fight Flemeth,she said this to the warden,is a betrayal it doesn't morph in something else just because your perception, claim otherwise.

I do not even have a problem in finding the video if you want.

1)she withholds on purpose info about the ultimate sacrifice to better further her plan,leaving the warden with less possibility of choice(someone who is a friend would have not do this)

2)she did not maintain her word on the first grimoire the black grimoire that is located on the circle of mages betrayed the warden trust (she can leave at Redcliffe)

3)she outright lied during the quest of the real grimoire to the question of the warden by saying that she didn't' know of why her mother sent her (a lie),sending the warden to fight flemeth with nothing more than a lie.

4)she didn't maintained her word again what she said to FLemeth,FLemeth never told to her to leave if the ritual would have been refused Flemeth only said to her to remain until the dragon was dead with or without the DR afterall the journey was also meant to improve her ability not only for the OGB,and yet she did not maintained her words regardless of if she found the 2nd grimoire,even if she never found the supposed "FLemeth plot" she want the OGB for herself and in doing so refuse to maintain her word to FLemeth,as i said the 2nd grimoire is not mandatory,even if she never found Flemeth plot she did  no mantain her words,what she said to her mother.

5)she came the night before the battle to try to use the fear of the death of the warden or try to convince by using manipulation  as Sylvanerie already explained with her wonderful post,if this is refused she immediately leave,break the deal of the "black grimoire"

and after all of this especially point 2 people coninue to say that she didn' betrayed the warden,oh please  i need  a  cold shower  to  bear such hypocrisy.

Again all facts,this is no a perception are simply what can happen in game.

i'm simply someone who is neutral towards the character since i prefer mainly mass effect and no even Dragon age,still i do not understand as for why people said that she did no betrayed the warden,she did,just like many others companions do in the DA franchise with the various protagonists,such as Anders,Zevran,Isabela,Solas ecc.

I don' care as if some peoples like some character or not,if they betray they betray is simple.

WH option dialogue is also there and her justification of the 3rd accusation of

n3:

you betrayed me because you abandoned me "available only for the non DR version,which is difficult to find on youtube"

her defences are frankly quite pathetic,what she said to deny this accusation?

"You abandoned me" yes of course because i was the one who left and popped as a plan the creation of an abomination.

she does not even build an argument against this accusation which is what label her as a traitor combined with the black grimoire that i found for her,into that damn tower for her help agains he blight.

[Aren]

 

 

2)she did not maintain her word on the first grimoire the black grimoire that is located on the circle of mages betrayed the warden trust (she can leave at Redcliffe)

 

The situation is not mandatory  you have to ask to Morrigan for a reward in order to get the dialogue,which is something that most people don't do,i mean ask reward to companions since if you pick the option you lose some approval with her,still as i said to me is valid

[Aren]

If you're going to hold people to their word, you should pay more attention to what they specifically say.  

as i recall she either offer a hint of a potential sex situation to the male warden "or help against the blight directly promised to the warden and not to Flemeth anymore"

If the warden pick help against the blight than you can't blame those wardens for have accused her of betrayal,because that was the deal,and i works she do not even defend herself properly in the Dlc,.

I still have over 300 hundreds of savegames of my canon warden,each named for the specific part of the journey,from Highever to the Dragonbones lands in WH,so pretty much i'm able to see all conversations and situations in game

 

 

after that my Warden is training into he gladiator mod,countless of enemies to reach level 100 and beyond o become he first sword of the world  .

[Tidus]

German Soldier,I think you may not see what I see.. Morrigan is more powerful then those weak mages sent by the Circle that the Darkspawn  kills way to easy. I also made her a strong tank with armor. She can also raise the enemy dead to fight on your side and use group heal as a spirit healer .. I may not like her and her sharp tongue but,she is powerful and therefore needed.

 

I probably play the game differently then most since I tank the three rogues and Morrigan. I find Alistair,Sten, Shale and Oghren  are already strong fighters and just needs strong weapons and armor.. Wynne is better as a combat medic.

 

In my games I do the DR since I don't want to lose my work making Morrigan a strong combat mage with group heal..

[Aren]

German Soldier,I think you may not see what I see.. Morrigan is more powerful then those weak mages sent by the Circle that the Darkspawn  kills way to easy. I also made her a strong tank with armor. She can also raise the enemy dead to fight on your side and use group heal as a spirit healer .. I may not like her and her sharp tongue but,she is powerful and therefore needed.

 

I probably play the game differently then most since I tank the three rogues and Morrigan. I find Alistair,Sten, Shale and Oghren  are already strong fighters and just needs strong weapons and armor.. Wynne is better as a combat medic.

 

In my games I do the DR since I don't want to lose my work making Morrigan a strong combat mage with group heal..

I don't need her at all since my character is pretty much powerful enough (for certain way beyond than Morrigan and FLemeth)to won the battle of Denerim alone,without calling allies and without any companions aside from the one who i need to sacrifice,my warden pride is to high to allow to anyone to came along to fight the archdemon,the dragon is only mine just like the battle of denerim,and he get killed in 1 vs 1 plus the number of darkspawn are not even so impressive from a gameplay point of view,more or less they were in numbers close to the one of DAII into the deep roads (i didn't see any horde effectively in Denerim just 40-50 darkspawn at best)

If the DR is performed (for the achievemnt) i didn't bring her to the archdemon since it is not her business and neither it's her destiny,is mine.

 Before to reach the end of the game my warden fought in custom module walls of enemies in battles that were way more interesting and complicated than the one of Denerim,such as the final boss of the tomb of the undead mod or the temple of vulak or the dark times(all addons for DAO),monsters that were 1000 times more powerful than this old god(each of them killed in 1 vs 1),i don't even remember on how many times i hit the dragon before to defeat him, 4-5 times were enough to end his vital bar.

Another powerful enemy defeated in single combat was Gaxkang(maybe this was the name)  forbidden demon like Ishmel of DAi and he was more powerful than the old god,he got killed by my warden for training.

When i arrive at Denerim for the end of the main campaign,my warden is pretty much already into another league (is my modus operndi,until i do not reach an impressive level and skill i do not stop his training) as i really dislike to have others companions who wish or pretend to be at the same level of my warden,they are useful but they are in no way near to my level of training and power.

Morrigan,Corypheus, can drink every pool of water that they wish,but they will never come close to match my warden possibilityies and powers.

For a weak Warden who didn't trained properly like my non canon commoner dwarf the ballista at the end game were way mor helpful than Morrigan magic agains the archdemon,13 14 hit and he was defeated without even touch me,it was an annoyng battle...

In WH 'm more satisfied when she say

" You deny me and survived even so well done,apparently you didn't need me and did not give me what i asked for"

As if ever needed her to do something,her greatest mistake was to believe that the archdemon was more powerful than the warden and to believe that she was necessary for something when she wasn't,she is just an option.

As an inside she didn't seems so strong in the DLc,she got defeated in 1 single attack this is the porves that when it comes to physical resistance,mages in generals are weak (unless they are abomination like Uldered)

[Tidus]

Aren, Maybe its from playing Final Fantasy for years but, I like having a strong mage in my main party when I face the final boss. and therefore Morrigan is needed. The Alienage battle is tough and Morrigan's magic is needed to defeat the Darkspawn mage that is protected by the knock back spell.

 

By the time of the battle of Demerim I have strong characters. and they are fully equipped with the strongest weapon, armor and magic possible. This is probably from  lessons learn from years of playing Final Fantasy. 

 

 

 

My warden will use every tool he has to defeat the AD and end the blight.

[Aren]

 

 

 

My warden will use every tool he has to defeat the AD and end the blight.

The battle at the alienage can be easily avoided is not even mandatory, or resolved with the stealth ability and some traps with 1 single characters,companions are strong but they remain at gates since the Archdemon is not their buisness,btb  they don't even came close to my warden.

[Tidus]

Aren,In my games the city elf is saving his people by defending the Alienage.

 

I doubt if a Dalish elf would turn his/her back on follow elves just to save the  Shems. When I use the Dalish elf he doesn't really want Lanaya's clan there. This may be silly but, I wish I had the option of telling Lanaya not to worry about the  treaty and  take her clan North to the Free Marches as quickly as possible.

 

A Shem and Dwarf? Yes,I can see them not caring about the elves since Loghain already wrote them off as a lost cause-this was to justify his part in the slave deal and nothing more. I have skipped the market square battle since there's very little to gain. 

 

Again all of my companions are strong and well equipped  and I have 5 tanks.. All three rogues, Morrigan and Alistair.. 

 

You know the more I think of it I see a lot of my Final Fantasy playing style in my DA:O games.

[Aren]

Aren,In my games the city elf is saving his people by defending the Alienage.

 

 

I love the elves and i hated Morrigan in DAO for being stupid evil,she often suggested their genocide for amusment.

Based on her attitude in DAO she really can't be considered grey for my standard.

In order to be grey the character usually has to be black to some extent to achieve a greater white (kinda like Avernus,Duncan,Riordan,Bhelen ecc..).

 Illusive man was grey because he murderd and worse, all for sake of humanity.

So a somewhat noble goal is needed to be considered grey.

Also there is another sort of grey like Isabela and Zevran.

Being a little black for pleasure, survival etc.. but there is always a limit like slavery or genocide. 

Morrigan on the other hand cares for no one but herself.

She shows no sympathy for anyone and doesn't consider any action as too evil and actually enjoys destruction and death.

She disapproves if you decide to help the village of redcliffe and approves if you abandon them. She likes see the circle anulled and disapproves if you agree to help them. She dissapporves if you destroy the anvil and approves if you save it trusting a mad woman who betrayed previously her whole army, and enslave the dwarves and possibly kill Shale who was a member of the party.

She approves greatly if you decide to help werewolves genocide the elves.

She also approves if you defile the ahses and trust a fanatic instead to preserve the power of the ashes which are by far more valuable than a wyvern blood and enslave the girl of Yonelath to the demon for no reason and no reward,just for the sake of being stupid evil.

Basically she is the only party member that approves of EVERY SINGLE evil action the character takes and most of the times shows her satisfaction by commenting on it.

She openly agrees with the tevinter slaver when he says that he'll kill all the elves nearby to give more power to the warden if the warden lets the slaver go.

Most importantly she's been fooling the warden all along and have been planning to use the warden all along, for her own ritual and selfishness. 

At least Loghain had his paranoia ,over the orlesians,the wardens,AListair,Leliana ecc.. but Morrigan? Did Flemeth told to her to be so stupid evil?

Insult Alistair for the whole journey and then think that was possible to convince him was stupid,that's why she go first to the Warden,because she was dumb enough to not treat Alistair with respect.

Morrigan is not grey, even if you gonna cosnider her one she is basically 99% black and 1% white. And this 1% is she not wanting to kill everyone on sight, that's it.

Leliana was right when she said in a banter that Morrigan is not so far from being a genlock,but at least they have the taint,it's in their nature.

And if someone still want to argue that she is not evil,than what she is?

a child who cannot distinguish between being stupid and being stupid?

I never thought that Flemeth could have raised such a retarded daughter,Yavana doesn't seem so stupid evil.

Seriously tough had she been more reasonable i bet that everyone would have agreed to the dark ritual including AListair.

 However under those circumstances reject the ritual was an obligation  for the sake of the whole Thedas,and no i used Alistair not Loghain since AListair was trustworthy an my warden was the king not him.

In the end yes i think that the writer went too overboard with Morrigan,i don't accuse her just for being evil,but for being stupid evil,which means being evil for no purpose other than cause pointless suffering.

Morrigan of DAO was not worthy of any archdemon soul in my game,but at least i used her for sometime (until she left at redclieffe) to do good on the world

[Tidus]

Aren, A odd thing happen in my 13th play through during the farewell speeches given by the warden's companions  before heading to fight the AD. I use a PS3.

 

I never had this to happen before..

 

I'm sorry I can't remember her exact words.

 

My warden.. What if I die? 

 

Morrigan: You will be mourned. Things didn't work out between us but,I still love you..

 

Whoa! Wait one.. I dumped her for Leliana early in the game.

 

Leliana comes and gives her speech on her feelings toward the warden and that she loves him.

 

There's no doubt Morrigan is evil as we see through her banters and Leliana is correct about Morrigan not being any better then a Genlock..

 

Come to think of it that's mighty cold hearted and evil  agreeing with the slaver knowing the warden is  from the Alienage  and  those Elves are his/her family and friends! WOW! Swoosh! Over my head.

 

Looks like play through 14 will be interesting in many ways since I will be using a Shem.

[Qis]

For me Morrigan is depicted as evil while she's not necessarily being evil, it just depended on your moral compass and judgement. Maybe people think she's evil but if looking back on things she approve and diapprove, there's logic behind it. I try to justify why she approve some of the "evil" options

 

i. Werewolves vs Dalish

The Dalish clan you meet is not nice to outsiders, even toward City Elves, your presence is tolerated just because you are a Grey Warden and have the treaty they can't deny. Otherwise, they will shoot you on sight. But they deny the treay because of Werewolf problem. Zathrian never ask your help, but when you offer your help, he lie to you all the time, the curse started from him and it have been millenia. He hate human to the extend where he continue the curse for millenia. So when we meet the Lady of the Forest, we can see the Werewolves listen to her, and she can control them, she also tell the truth that Zathrian and his clan tricked you, they never help you in anyway either, to turn the tide to Zathrian and his clan is a logical choice. Why not just wipe them all and get over with the bull? You get a strong army where you know can be controlled for the time being.

 

ii. Abandon Redcliff

You think you are a hero who can kick ass every enemies on Thedas, you maybe wrong. You could be dead defending that village against enemy you don't know. You only know they are Undead, but you don't know their real nature. They could be an endless horde of Undead in the next attack. Agree to help Redcliff put you into risk. And it is proven that the Undead is not just simple enemy to face when you decide to defend Redcliff, despite your effort for it's defence, the Undead come out from the lake and attacking the Chantry, this just to show that things not always going out as planned or as expected. Furthermore it turnout to be there is an alternative to get into the castle but Teagan is lying to you. Teagan is using you so he can appear as a hero, that's why, it's politic. Leaving Redcliff to it's fate is not evil, you are just a Grey Warden, you are not superhuman, Morrigan is right in this.

 

iii. Jowan Blood Magic

This depended on situation wheter you already gong to the Circle before Redcliff or not. If you already go there then seeking mages help is logical choice if you saved the Mages. Otherwise there is no Mage left either you intentionally anulled the tower or you just failed to save them all. But if you go to Redcliff BEFORE going to the Circle, you don't know what the Circle condition is, you don't know their policy, you don't know Templar policy, you don't know if they will help you or not. If they don't help you then you just leave a risk in Redcliff. Mind you that Redcliff condition is indicating the tower have problem, why? Because Redcliff being attacked by undead for how long? The tower is just a day journey, how come the tower don't know Redcliff might have magical problem to dealt with if they don't have problem themselves? We can even heard rumors about Redcliff at Lothering, but the Circle is just a day journey. So that indicate the tower have problem and might not give any help. Furthermore, the Warden might get attacked by bandits or beats or darkspawns along the way. Jowan suggestion is logical choice, it just seems evil choice because of Blood Magic. But what the difference between you sacrifice yourself killing Archdemon to save all with a mother willingly sacrifice herself to save her son?

 

iv. Selling Elves or sacrifice them for power

Unfortunately her dialogue is the same for all Warden race, yes for Elf Warden it is distasteful. I just say it is a bad writing or oversight, Morrigan should have alternate dialogue if the Warden is an Elf. But her justification is it is all a needless fight that put you into danger. Then she approve the sacrifice to make you more powerful is because you are needed to face the Blight. Those Elves will die anyway in the Blight, if they can give you power, why not? Their death will not be wasted.

 

v. Kill the pro-Chantry Circle Mage

You never kill any children in this game even though it look like you will kill children, but no, the game don't allow you to kill children. Morrigan didn't say anything about killing children. Those children in which only two as i remember will just say you are a bad person, run away and hide, removed from the game. Morrigan logic is, the fate of the Circle Mage is brought by Circle Mages themselves. They allow themselves to be subjugated by such authority in the first place. So when the Templar wish them dead, why want to complaint? Morrigan know Wynne is pro-Chantry, by her dialogue, Wynne didn't show any protest or anger when you bring the news that the Templars want to kill them, she accept it as their fate, she only want to find a way to avoid it but not detest the law branded on her forehead. Meaning Wynne accept the Templar/Chantry rule not against it. That's why Morrigan say what she said and it is true. Circle Mages are cows. She only say that toward Wynne she doesn't mean kill all Mages and work with the Templar, that's a different thing, that's why if you annul the tower she will complaint.

 

vi. Anvil of the Void

It is clear that the Anvil could provide a strong army, the Golems, why want to waste it just because you feel it is not right to bind the pathethic Dwarven life on its creation? You as the Warden have sacrifice your life to the taint to save everyone, it is a curse on you, if you don't die you will become a ghoul. You might be willing becoming grey warden or not depends on how you play your origin, but still it is all about sacrifice for greater good. The Joining itself is evil in nature, to deny the use of the Anvil is hipocrisy. Furthermore, at that time you want to make the choice, do you think the Dwarves will just believe your story (or Oghren's) on what happen if you destroy the Anvil? Branka is the living proof and carry the weight in the assembely, if anyone in the assembely don't believe your story they can simply meet Branka and ask her. If Branka is dead what is the evidence she created the crown for the new king of Orzamar? Keeping Branka alive is logical choice.

 

vii. Dark Ritual

This is the main issue in this post right? Okay, for me, she might have hidden agenda, maybe evil agenda, but it is not something that everyone will see in the short future. OGB maybe good or maybe bad, there is no way to tell, but her offer is to save your life. After what you have been going through, you just want to waste your life? It depends on your origin and how you play your origin. For me, no matter what origin i play, i find out that ultimate sacrifice isn't worth what the Warden going through. The Warden is the one who endure everything to the end, and now have to sacrifice his/her own life too? Yes metagame will give you choices to ask Loghain or Alistair, but still during her offer come out there is no guarantee who will kill the Archdemon, could be you, Riordan, Alistair or Loghain, should things go wrong you could be the one who kill the Archdemon. Her argument is valid even though it look manipulative, but still legit. You as the Warden in the end is just a victim of circumtances and you will be sacrificed after what you have been going through and after what you have done and not done. It sound selfish to save your skin, but you deserve more than die killing the Archdemon. Morrigan offer is fair by me.

 

Morrigan never say she is a good person, never acted like a good person, never show herself as a good person, not like many others you meet in your journey...Leliana acted as innocent girl while she lie to you all the time to the end, she never tell you she's a Seeker even at the final battle...just an example...

[Tidus]

Qis,In my games the elf warden wishes to save the Dalish hunters not to help Zathrian-even my city elf won't turn his back on his kind.

 

My warden saves Redcliff because he needs Arl Eamond's help in bringing Loghain to justice.

 

Saving the Tower is the right thing to do--see what happens when blood mages are allowed to run amok?  Today the Tower! Tomorrow the world.

 

The Anvil is a evil creation and must be destroyed so sayth the paragon that designed it. Branka has gone mad beyond any level headed reasoning.

 

The city elves can be rescued and that has happen in all 13 games  I have played. Again my elf warden will not turn his/her back on his/her kind.  If you think any of the slavers live to see another day you will be sadly mistaken..

 

The DR is a payer's choice and not a absolute in the game.

 

Morrigan is evil and deceives the warden all through the game.  

 

Even I was attempted to run her through when she agreed with Caladrius.  She even knew my warden's father is among the elves taken for slavery. Even a Dalish elf would be mad about elves being taken in slavery and that  would give the Dalish warden a excuse to kill Shems that has wronged his/her kind..

[Qis]

What i am saying is the option for the current situation, and the Warden psyche during making the choice, of course it depends on how you want to play it out, but still every choices in this game have justifications. What make the choices right or wrong, good or evil is the justification.

 

We do not see the weight of the Blight because of the game limitation, the only places we see the effect of the Blight are few and there is no visual horror because of the limitation. There is also no time constraint, we don't feel time is running out and we must act quickly, we must move fast, we don't want to play with time. But if we are living in such world state, will we act like we wanted in this game? No, we will act based our own judgment in our situation.

 

Despite what the media say about "terrorists", why there are people joining "terrorist" organizations? It is because of justification, we may see them as terrorist the bad guys, but these people see the terrorists are heroes, It is because we live in different condition.

 

I don't see any evil about Morrigan and she not deceive us at all, but other companions do deceive us...Leliana is a spy, she lie to you from the begining to the end, Sten is also a spy, following you is an opportunity to spy on Ferelden, Wynne just want an excuse to get out from the Tower and leave everyone else to clean up the mess, she's an abomination she don't want anyone in the Tower find that out...everyone have their own motivations and using the Warden...only few companions who are really honest with you and Morrigan is one of them

 

Yes Morrigan sent us to kill his mother, Flemeth, and turn out she's a High Dragon, but if you can't kill this High Dragon can you kill the Archdemon? She just want to see if you are worthy to be saved from dying killing Archdemon, if you can't kill Flemeth, you just stop dreaming on killing the Archdemon the ancient dragon. In that current state where she ask you to kill Flemeth, that is Morrigan judgment, that's the way Morrigan see it. She's not evil for thinking like that. She's not evil, period.

[Tidus]

As far as Flemeth..My warden is on to Morrigan and decides to play the deceiving game. My warden does not kill Flemeth even though Flemeth was expecting Morrigan to try something.

 

Oddly the only Shem my male warden trust and loves is Leliana. Even my female warden trusts Leliana. She is willing to stand by your side until death.

 

Here's my warden's run down.

 

Wynne.. She's tagging along to ensure the wardens will do their jobs.  Why else all the responsibility speeches?

 

Morrigan wants one thing-the old god spirit ,she deceives the warden from the start  and she will have her mother killed to get it.. If the warden doesn't do the DR she leaves the group before the battle. She is no better then Loghain and Arl Howe.

 

Sten.. Sten wants information about the blight and nothing more.

 

Shale is along because it has no other place to go.

 

Zevran.. He is a opportunist looking for rewards and a way out of the Crows. He becomes a loyal friend.

 

Oghren.. A drunk following the warden for his personal reasons.

 

Alistair.. A prince that wants the throne  but, is to weak to admit it even to his self until late in the game.. Why else would he readily agree to marry Anora?

[Qis]

What motive Morrigan have to deceive the Warden? If anyone accuse her to be a liar, what is the motive? She have no motive to to lie or deceive the Warden. Others have, but Morrigan have no motive whatsoever. As everyone know she leave the party if the Warden refuse the dark ritual, and that's the end of her role. She have no profit to gain, she have nothing to loose, she just left the party. If she is deceiving the Warden surely there are many ways to get what she's pursuing other than ASK the Warden for it, isn't it? She's a witch, she can put The Warden into sleep, or mind control, she can morph into beutiful seductive woman or whatever evil means like making paralyze poison or something and rape to get the sperm from the Wardens

 

But no, she ASK the Warden for the ritual, if not agree, she leave. That is not something come from an evil person who deceiving and plotting from the begining to get what she want.

 

Others do have motives, have intentions, have something to gain from the Warden and they cover it up all the way to achieve their goal, but Morrigan is not.

 

Alistair using the Warden to re-establish a good connection with Arl Eamon family. Leliana using the Warden as her bodyguard because she get bored and want to leave Lothering safely. Wynne using the Warden as protection as well an excuse to leave the Circle before anyone find out she's an abomination. Of course Leliana and Wynne will not follow the Warden should they are rejected, but they see Warden is an opportunity. Sten is a spy, "the eyes and ears for the Qunari", it is obvious, ofcourse his mission in Ferelden is to find answer about the Blight but what else to do in Ferelden for a spy? When the Warden free him, does he ever say "thanks"? No he just assume his role, he only thanks you for finding his sword, and after all ended he's going to report back to the Arishok. Thanks to the Warden now Arishok know every path, every corners, every holes and every secret places in Ferelden should he want to conquer Ferelden in the future.

 

The only honest companion you have is actually Zevran, Oghren and Morrigan (and the Dog). They have nothing to gain from the Warden.

 

The Dark Ritual is a way to save the Warden and Morrigan offer it by ASKING and not by other means. She's not evil.

[Illegitimus]

 

The only honest companion you have is actually Zevran, Oghren and Morrigan (and the Dog). They have nothing to gain from the Warden.

 

 

 

Wild overstatement.  Morrigan does have something to gain from the Warden.  But I can't feel betrayed by the eventual revelation of what she wants when absolutely every companion would point out that she has an ulterior motive and she tells you herself that she has an ulterior motive and she's ready to cry and slap you over how difficult loving you makes pursuing it if you romance her.  There's a point of foreshadowing past which that ulterior motive people keep pointing at would be more accurately described as overt.  And yes, Morrigan gives you evil advice at every turn.  She is your evil shoulder angel.  I might get upset about that if I didn't find it funny particularly since she talks the talk but doesn't especially walk the walk.   I mean it's not like you can send her into the fade and the game will even give her the option to sell Connor's soul for a power upgrade or a snog.  The worst thing she'll actually personally do is nonviolently steal a book from people who don't even know how to read it.  Oh, and electing to leave, long after I stopped really needing her help.  

[Qis]

I don't see she gain anything from the Warden, nothing. From the first time we met her to the finish, she gain nothing from the Warden. No profit to be made, no influence to gain, no protection needed and nothing from the Warden where she could exploit for anything. Really, she's an apostate, she survive alone with her mother from the Templars, nothing from the Warden have value in her eyes, infact she saw the Warden was worthless until becoming her friend/lover. You can find this on her in-game dialogue, not that comic strip.

 

She see through hipocrisy of good, that's why she appear to be evil, because people see the hipocrisy as good. Example, you want to play a hero saving Redcliff, you are not a hero, you are just a Grey Warden, you have priorities. But because you want to play a hero you risk your own life, time, and effort to save that pathethic village. They can defend themselves without you playing the hero.

 

Everyone there are selfish, and just hoping for miracle from God. Owen refuse to help because of he lost his daughter in the castle, instead of helping everyone by making weapons and armor to save his daughter, he choose to lock himself up and drunk. You see, the banter between Owen and the Warden, not only the Warden agree to save the village, but Owen forced the Warden to do his bidding, that's why Morrigan burst out in snarky comment and you earn another -5 disapproval. It's the attitude.The bartender is a leech, only care about money and nothing else. The knights do nothing and only hope for miracles, didn't find a way to defend the village by using anything available (oil in the store). The dwarf just simply don't care, not his problem he say. The rest are just crying and praying in the Chantry. Bann Teagen is there, he know the way to enter the castle but he do nothing about it, he could gather those knights and find the source, or atleast suggesting the same to the Warden but he didn't, why? Because he want to play a hero too...in his own way.

 

If you are a Mage, talk to the priest and she will prise you, see what Morrigan say...

 

So for Morrigan, despite of saving that patethic village, the Warden should turn the effort to other more important things. Why risking own life with the illusion of doing something good? The Warden may perish and all is lost.

Is she evil for that?

[Tidus]

Qis,First we need to start with Flemeth's rescue of the wardens from the Tower of Ishal. The first deceiving line  to the warden comes with Flemeth saying " Well we couldn't have all the wardens dying". Of course not! The warden was the only ones that could perform the DR in order to get the spirit of the old God.. Then Flemeth's "you need Morrigan's magic"-which means I'm sending Morrigan with you with one goal..Do the DR and get the old God spirit. The  scene between Flemeth and Morrigan was act to lead the warden in believing Morrigan didn't want to go-it was all preplanned! Morrigan carries out the plan until she decides she wanted the old God child. She then convinces the warden to kill her mother..My warden plays the deceiving game and doesn't kill  Flemeth as Morrigan wished.

 

Morrigan is just as evil as Loghain and Arl Howe in her own ways.

 

As far as being a hero by saving Redcliff.. Think again..Loghain has place a bounty on the wardens for one reason..He wants the last two Grey Wardens of Ferelden dead. My warden knows this.. He/She also knows in order to bring Loghain to justice he needs Arl Eamond's Army. My warden also knows he can not end the blight as long as Loghain is  in a position to send a army after him or any of his allies.

 

My warden knows Morrigan has a plan and could careless about anything or anybody else--I figured that out in early my first game.

 

After the warden falls in love with Leliana Morrigan sees Leliana  as a direct threat to the warden doing the DR-will the warden cheat on the woman he loves to do the DR?  A question that must lay heavily on Morrigan's mind.

 

I'm surprise Morrigan doesn't try to kill Leliana. Again Morrigan is concerned about Zevran joining not so much for the safety of the Warden but, its about getting the DR done. 

[Qis]

Why not seeing Flemeth save the Warden and Alistair is just an act of kindness? Out of all Grey wardens in Ostagar, these two are the only one who meet Flemeth at her hut. If it is really because of wanting the OGC, Flemeth could rescue any Grey Warden at Ostagar, there is nothing special about "The Warden" and Alistair. Flemeth can just flew and snatch any Grey Wardens who about to die on the battlefield. If her secret existence is an issue, she have no problem to appear infront of Hawke and company, Aveline even recognize her being the Witch of the Wild. What is so special about "The Warden"  to place him/her into such scheme? Nothing special.

 

The Warden might be a thug in Orzamar or a low class person living in Alienage, i mean The Warden might be the worst person in Thedas and not someone who hold any importance to be rescued and taken advantage of. Like Morrigan said "I would rescue a king, a king have higher ransom than YOU". Flemeth could just save Alistair and forget about "you".

 

Why so prejudice?

 

If OGB is the whole thing they wanted and making a scheme all along, there a lot of Grey Wardens at Ostagar they can manipulate, or they can wait until the Blight reach Orlais or other places, and they can make some Grey Wardens as their victims.

 

So no, Flemeth save The Warden and Alistair is because Flemeth know them, that's all.

[Tidus]

Qis, While trying to perauade the warden into doing the DR  Morrigan reveals why her mother saves you  and it was not out of kindness.It was about getting the old God spirit.

 

Morrigan is just as evil as Flemeth.. After all she had a good teacher.

 

You seem to forget Morrigan and Flemeth watched the battle and seen Loghain pull his troops out dooming those that was left on the field of battle-a excellent opportunity to grab two wardens..

 

Which two to grab? Easy enough.

 

A formidable warden recruit  and one warden that wasn't  to bright  both already chosen  by Flemeth from  the information obtained by Morrigan  while she was watching you  in the Wilds  and  by  Flemeth after Morrigan lead the wardens to her.. The die was cast.

 

Flemeth risked nothing to chance.. She and Morrigan knew  exactly what to  do and the two wardens she wanted.

[Illegitimus]

I don't see she gain anything from the Warden, nothing. From the first time we met her to the finish, she gain nothing from the Warden. No profit to be made, no influence to gain, no protection needed and nothing from the Warden where she could exploit for anything. Really, she's an apostate, she survive alone with her mother from the Templars, nothing from the Warden have value in her eyes, infact she saw the Warden was worthless until becoming her friend/lover. You can find this on her in-game dialogue, not that comic strip.

 

She see through hipocrisy of good, that's why she appear to be evil, because people see the hipocrisy as good. Example, you want to play a hero saving Redcliff, you are not a hero, you are just a Grey Warden, you have priorities. But because you want to play a hero you risk your own life, time, and effort to save that pathethic village. They can defend themselves without you playing the hero.

 

Everyone there are selfish, and just hoping for miracle from God. Owen refuse to help because of he lost his daughter in the castle, instead of helping everyone by making weapons and armor to save his daughter, he choose to lock himself up and drunk. You see, the banter between Owen and the Warden, not only the Warden agree to save the village, but Owen forced the Warden to do his bidding, that's why Morrigan burst out in snarky comment and you earn another -5 disapproval. It's the attitude.The bartender is a leech, only care about money and nothing else. The knights do nothing and only hope for miracles, didn't find a way to defend the village by using anything available (oil in the store). The dwarf just simply don't care, not his problem he say. The rest are just crying and praying in the Chantry. Bann Teagen is there, he know the way to enter the castle but he do nothing about it, he could gather those knights and find the source, or atleast suggesting the same to the Warden but he didn't, why? Because he want to play a hero too...in his own way.

 

If you are a Mage, talk to the priest and she will prise you, see what Morrigan say...

 

So for Morrigan, despite of saving that patethic village, the Warden should turn the effort to other more important things. Why risking own life with the illusion of doing something good? The Warden may perish and all is lost.

Is she evil for that?

 

Yes.  Yes she is.  OK admittedly she isn't carrying out any atrocities personally so really to put it in D&D terms she's neutral.  But she is being the evil shoulder angel with her advice and it's wrong in this case.  The Warden is trying to scrape up all the troops he can to fight the blight.  Letting the militia and the knights get wiped out instead of turning them into an an effective force doesn't serve that purpose, and trying to take on the castle with all those zombies still outside would be a lot more dangerous.  It's actually way safer and smarter to turn the villages defenders into an effective force, and use them to eliminate the bulk of the castle's forces inside, despite Morrigan's moral objection to helping people for non-mercenary reasons.   This isn't like the situation inside where you have to decide whether to use blood magic, kill Connor or pick a third option.  There her evil shoulder angel advice actually is practical and taking the paragon approach is kind of nuts.  

 

And yes, Morrigan has something to gain from helping you.  She has the prospect of getting an OGB to play with.  If she didn't have something to gain, she wouldn't have.   

[Secret Rare]

For me Morrigan is depicted as evil while she's not necessarily being evil, it just depended on your moral compass and judgement. Maybe people think she's evil but if looking back on things she approve and diapprove, there's logic behind it. I try to justify why she approve some of the "evil" options

 

i. Werewolves vs Dalish

The Dalish clan you meet is not nice to outsiders, even toward City Elves, your presence is tolerated just because you are a Grey Warden and have the treaty they can't deny. Otherwise, they will shoot you on sight. But they deny the treay because of Werewolf problem. Zathrian never ask your help, but when you offer your help, he lie to you all the time, the curse started from him and it have been millenia. He hate human to the extend where he continue the curse for millenia. So when we meet the Lady of the Forest, we can see the Werewolves listen to her, and she can control them, she also tell the truth that Zathrian and his clan tricked you, they never help you in anyway either, to turn the tide to Zathrian and his clan is a logical choice. Why not just wipe them all and get over with the bull? You get a strong army where you know can be controlled for the time being.

 

ii. Abandon Redcliff

You think you are a hero who can kick ass every enemies on Thedas, you maybe wrong. You could be dead defending that village against enemy you don't know. You only know they are Undead, but you don't know their real nature. They could be an endless horde of Undead in the next attack. Agree to help Redcliff put you into risk. And it is proven that the Undead is not just simple enemy to face when you decide to defend Redcliff, despite your effort for it's defence, the Undead come out from the lake and attacking the Chantry, this just to show that things not always going out as planned or as expected. Furthermore it turnout to be there is an alternative to get into the castle but Teagan is lying to you. Teagan is using you so he can appear as a hero, that's why, it's politic. Leaving Redcliff to it's fate is not evil, you are just a Grey Warden, you are not superhuman, Morrigan is right in this.

 

iii. Jowan Blood Magic

This depended on situation wheter you already gong to the Circle before Redcliff or not. If you already go there then seeking mages help is logical choice if you saved the Mages. Otherwise there is no Mage left either you intentionally anulled the tower or you just failed to save them all. But if you go to Redcliff BEFORE going to the Circle, you don't know what the Circle condition is, you don't know their policy, you don't know Templar policy, you don't know if they will help you or not. If they don't help you then you just leave a risk in Redcliff. Mind you that Redcliff condition is indicating the tower have problem, why? Because Redcliff being attacked by undead for how long? The tower is just a day journey, how come the tower don't know Redcliff might have magical problem to dealt with if they don't have problem themselves? We can even heard rumors about Redcliff at Lothering, but the Circle is just a day journey. So that indicate the tower have problem and might not give any help. Furthermore, the Warden might get attacked by bandits or beats or darkspawns along the way. Jowan suggestion is logical choice, it just seems evil choice because of Blood Magic. But what the difference between you sacrifice yourself killing Archdemon to save all with a mother willingly sacrifice herself to save her son?

 

iv. Selling Elves or sacrifice them for power

Unfortunately her dialogue is the same for all Warden race, yes for Elf Warden it is distasteful. I just say it is a bad writing or oversight, Morrigan should have alternate dialogue if the Warden is an Elf. But her justification is it is all a needless fight that put you into danger. Then she approve the sacrifice to make you more powerful is because you are needed to face the Blight. Those Elves will die anyway in the Blight, if they can give you power, why not? Their death will not be wasted.

 

v. Kill the pro-Chantry Circle Mage

You never kill any children in this game even though it look like you will kill children, but no, the game don't allow you to kill children. Morrigan didn't say anything about killing children. Those children in which only two as i remember will just say you are a bad person, run away and hide, removed from the game. Morrigan logic is, the fate of the Circle Mage is brought by Circle Mages themselves. They allow themselves to be subjugated by such authority in the first place. So when the Templar wish them dead, why want to complaint? Morrigan know Wynne is pro-Chantry, by her dialogue, Wynne didn't show any protest or anger when you bring the news that the Templars want to kill them, she accept it as their fate, she only want to find a way to avoid it but not detest the law branded on her forehead. Meaning Wynne accept the Templar/Chantry rule not against it. That's why Morrigan say what she said and it is true. Circle Mages are cows. She only say that toward Wynne she doesn't mean kill all Mages and work with the Templar, that's a different thing, that's why if you annul the tower she will complaint.

 

vi. Anvil of the Void

It is clear that the Anvil could provide a strong army, the Golems, why want to waste it just because you feel it is not right to bind the pathethic Dwarven life on its creation? You as the Warden have sacrifice your life to the taint to save everyone, it is a curse on you, if you don't die you will become a ghoul. You might be willing becoming grey warden or not depends on how you play your origin, but still it is all about sacrifice for greater good. The Joining itself is evil in nature, to deny the use of the Anvil is hipocrisy. Furthermore, at that time you want to make the choice, do you think the Dwarves will just believe your story (or Oghren's) on what happen if you destroy the Anvil? Branka is the living proof and carry the weight in the assembely, if anyone in the assembely don't believe your story they can simply meet Branka and ask her. If Branka is dead what is the evidence she created the crown for the new king of Orzamar? Keeping Branka alive is logical choice.

 

vii. Dark Ritual

This is the main issue in this post right? Okay, for me, she might have hidden agenda, maybe evil agenda, but it is not something that everyone will see in the short future. OGB maybe good or maybe bad, there is no way to tell, but her offer is to save your life. After what you have been going through, you just want to waste your life? It depends on your origin and how you play your origin. For me, no matter what origin i play, i find out that ultimate sacrifice isn't worth what the Warden going through. The Warden is the one who endure everything to the end, and now have to sacrifice his/her own life too? Yes metagame will give you choices to ask Loghain or Alistair, but still during her offer come out there is no guarantee who will kill the Archdemon, could be you, Riordan, Alistair or Loghain, should things go wrong you could be the one who kill the Archdemon. Her argument is valid even though it look manipulative, but still legit. You as the Warden in the end is just a victim of circumtances and you will be sacrificed after what you have been going through and after what you have done and not done. It sound selfish to save your skin, but you deserve more than die killing the Archdemon. Morrigan offer is fair by me.

 

Morrigan never say she is a good person, never acted like a good person, never show herself as a good person, not like many others you meet in your journey...Leliana acted as innocent girl while she lie to you all the time to the end, she never tell you she's a Seeker even at the final battle...just an example...

This whole post is just a contrived justification to senseless cruelty and suffering which is what often Morrigan suggest alias she was stupid evil in DAO,just as this post.

Point by Point:

 

1)Pointless explanation full of stupidity to try to justify Morrigan,sorry but you are alone here.

Just because you don't know someone this doesn't mean that you are allowed to go full genocide mode and then try to justify you by saying

"I couldn't trust them so i killed them all" that's insane beyond any level that i can fathom.

The werewolves are little if nothing capable to control themselves,they are dangerous beasts who carry a mortal disease,whoever get infected by them become one of them or die.

Put in the same camp dangerous and infectious beasts is stupid beyond any level,the Warden army isn't more strong with werewolves is just more unstable.

What will think the others department such as the dwarves,the mages,the soldiers of Redcliffe of the werewolves during the battle?

Why they should trust dangerous and infectious beasts,who carry a disease poisonous as the taint?

A General and a commander like the warden must think to these things,balance is necessary for coordination and power effectiveness.

Morrigan is stupid she is not capable to think on "long term" benefit this is why she suggest only the "immediate gain" without think to the consequences,this is the same stupid mistake she did with the ritual,underestimate her mother who she knew one day would come back to gain the price.

This choice and i think most will agree with me, is on a right/wrong binary,there is no grey here,help both by reediming Zathrian is the absolutly best choice.

Help only the Dalish is the 2nd best choice,help those beasts guided by a dangerous spirit is the worst choice,the stupid choice that only AListair in the darkspawn chronicles Dlc did,probably because he is not a good comunicator and he doesn't know on how to understand and talk with people and he didn't discover Zathrian's past and suffering.

This is way the Warden is always the best,capable to understand others and made the better decision.

 

2)The only party members who suggest to abandon Redcliffe are:

Sten because he is not from Thedas and he doesn't care about the fate of Theodosian,but then again i have a low opinion and don't give a #### of someone who murdered an entire family and childs who were only guilty of helping him to not die.

Stupid Morrigan as well.

Help redcliffe provide a series of advantage,there is the possibility to obtain more proofs against Loghain at the tavern one of his letters,there is the possibility for the Warden to improve his/her ability as a commander,a test to improve personal capacity of coordination of a small army,there is the possibility to gain more allies more soldiers for the army (the villagers as well as some knights) there is the possibility to gain more resources and to become more popular for the landsmeet.

Pretty much there is only to gain here,Morrigan who obviously doesn't know how things works in the outside world and is only concerned about the OGB toy doesn't care and do not understand yet she act as if she know what is the best thing to do.

Then again i couldn't care less of her stupidity she is not a tactical mind and neither she is practical..

 

3) Again stupid choice corroborated by a contrived thoughts who use disadvantageous condition which are not mandatory in order to justify the sacrifice of the mother of a child.

I will talk from the worst possible scenario in order to lock that stupid way of thinking which is

go to Redcliffe and met Connor before to do the circle quest.

Again the intelligent solution is to go to the circle of mages.

a) The Warden who is not a moron already know that the circle is in a bad situation since that there are rumors ,pretty much everyone know about demons rampaging on the tower yet this si the intelligent solution,go to them instead to kill Isolde.

Why?

First sooner or later you need to do the circle quest regardless so is not even an extra effort,second you do not have any time limit to do that,the Warden do not have to care about Connor in redcliffe,if something will go wrong in the castle before of the Warden arrival,there already the Knights as well as many other soldier in the castle who can kill Connor as soon as he show some sign of possession.

Then again if instead to listen to whatever Morrigan has to say you bother to gain information,more accurate informations the warden can go and speak to Connor,to understand that the demon or "lady" inside of him remain dormant in him if the boy is not threatened,she will only come if the boy is in danger.

So the demon is not always capable to understand what's going on in the mortal realm,she only percieve the boy feeling,the more Connor is in his serenity the less chance the demon will come.

in DAI if the demon remained inside of him it remain dormant for 10 years,this proof that the demon is a danger especially when you harm the child.

Kill the mother or the child without not even attempt to gain the lyrium first is the evil and  stupid chice end of the story,from all possible scenario or pointeview.

 

4)

if they can give you power, why not? Their death will not be wasted.

4)As actually anyone beyond me read this line from this user,are you serious or is this a joke?

First,who are you to decide what is worth to sacrifice for your own ends?

This is absolutely and unequivocally evil,exactly what that shrew of Morrigan suggested.

First you are trusting a mage that tried to kill you in his last attempt to survive after the crime that he committed,he try to save his ass by sacrifice the life of others,he need to learn that in Ferelden we don't want evil slavers.

Caladrius which was injured by the warden was not capable to perform any effective magic as he even say,he will use his last strength,meaning that the magic is useless and with poor effective +1 Constitution.

For 1 constitution you are trying to justify the murdering of all of those people?

Are we fuc**** serious?

Sometime i don't even even understand as for why people want to justify what is evil and try to protrait it as a different thing...

 

 

5)That's just show on how incompetent you are about the characters.

Wynne isn't pro chantry as she said many times in banter with leliana,and she don't even believe that Andraste is a prophet,just an historical figure.

And kill people just because their lifestyle doesn't fit with your view of life is folly and whoever think like that need only to be put in straitjacket.

Seriously Morrigan suggest to kill those mages because she,and only she see them as not worthy to live,that's insane and whoever agree with her is insane too.

Also No need to find convoluted excuses here,she is a walking contradiction,first she want to see the mages dead for her bitterness then complain with Gregoir if this is done,she is stupid evil and doesn't even know what she want.

 

6)Again preserve the anvil is the evil and stupid choice.

First his creator Caridin want that destroyed he understand it better than anyone

second Branka is an insane woman who betrayed her whole army by using them as bait for Caradin's traps who betrayed her friend into becoming a broodmother,and yet only a moron will trust her with the anvil of the void who is used also to enslave the will of others,this is evil and stupid.

Let us not forget that in order to defeat a blight make to many sacrifices and stupid choices will come back to bite you in the future alias the ultimate sacrifice which i don't like kill the HoF who is not available against the Architect because of that. or kinda like what the stupid wardens of the 4th blight did,they killed their own griffins in order to defeat the 4th blight and now they are gone.

Sorry but i believe that "the ends justify the means" is just the convoluted excuses used by losers like Duncan,go sacrifice yourself dude not pretending my sacrifice.

Preserve the anvil and you will be no better than a genlock ,enslave the dwarves and you will be guilty to be responsible of slavery.

 

7)ah trust that shrew of Morrigan with an old god soul after all of her malicious suggestion? Never!

HOw?

For all i know kill others was not beyond her,so she may have sacrificed her own child to get the old god soul,kinda what Flemeth wanted to do in DAI use the boy to gain that soul,if Morrigan didn't do that it is because she didn't know ho to do it