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[mannygt]

Hello to all. I need some feedbacks about the Prothean artifact located at Eletania, in the Hercules System, Attican Beta.

You know, the Asari Consort gives to you a trinket where is used to unlock the Prothean artifact. Of course she gives to you the trinket only if you complete the quest for Xeltan.

When I unlocked the artifact, I read the whole walls of text about the ancient ****** Sapiens. In the final rows I read something about "red light from stomach and the darkness comes" (or something like this, because my own language is Italian).

The question is: what it does mean? The reapers already have visited the Earth to eradicate everything related to Prothean technology including implants in the head of who lived in the past?

I'm a bit curious about that

What are your opinions?

[aka.700]

It is clarified in the third game. You will understand more if your play Mass Effect 3. I don't want to give you any spoilers.

[mannygt]

Thank for your reply. Then I missed that thing because I've already played the whole trilogy and I'm playing it again. I must pay more attention

[aka.700]

You're welcome.
The Catalyst says that they were on our galaxy before. Also Javik says that they were watching and guiding us, humans, remember. Paying attention to what they say (because they were the ones who saw our ancestors) and connecting the dots will help you

[mannygt]

Thanks aka.700

 

Maybe you meant "they were on our system (Sol) before"?

[aka.700]

It's nothing.
You know by now, the Reapers scour the whole galaxy. When the harvest ends, they go back to dark space outside the Milky Way. So I meant the galaxy not just the Sol system
Well the Catalyst was always there on the Citadel but not the Reapers.

[mannygt]

You're right

[MrFob]

Wait a minute here.Are you saying that you think the reapers removed the artifact? I always thought it was the protheans who put the probe in the guy to study the humans, than came back and removed it again (to get the results and not to leave traces I guess). I always thought this would all have happened before the reapers ever invaded. How else would this data get to Eletania anyway? According to Vigil, the reapers invaded and immediately shut down the relay network, so the protheans were isolated in whatever system they might have been. So if they still were in the Sol system by the time the reapers came around, they would have been trapped there, right?

 

I guess you get the reaper idea from the whole thing with the red orb in the description but we don't really know what prothean ships looked like. (or do we? might not remember)

[God]

I still don't understand why everyone calls the Solar System the 'Sol' System.

[MrFob]

I still don't understand why everyone calls the Solar System the 'Sol' System.

 

IDK, to me the term "solar" is an adjective that describes a dependency on any sun. Like solar wind or solar panel. They are powered by Sol here on Earth but the same panel would work in proximity of a lot of other stars/suns as well. So a solar system could be any system really, to my mind.

The noun Sol though definitively describes our parent star, so the Sol system is the system, containing Earth. It's a bit of a contradiction, I grant you but Sol is not the only word that has this kind of linguistic weirdness.

 

Besides, we also don't use adjectives if we talk about other star systems. The Arcturus System is the star system around the star Arcturus. We don't call that Arcturusar System either.

[aka.700]

Wait a minute here.Are you saying that you think the reapers removed the artifact? I always thought it was the protheans who put the probe in the guy to study the humans, than came back and removed it again (to get the results and not to leave traces I guess). I always thought this would all have happened before the reapers ever invaded. How else would this data get to Eletania anyway? According to Vigil, the reapers invaded and immediately shut down the relay network, so the protheans were isolated in whatever system they might have been. So if they still were in the Sol system by the time the reapers came around, they would have been trapped there, right?
 
I guess you get the reaper idea from the whole thing with the red orb in the description but we don't really know what prothean ships looked like. (or do we? might not remember)

I didn't exactly say that. I didn't give an open explanation and wanted him to form his own.
Though it makes sense if the Protheans were to insert the chip and the Reapers took it out; as you know, the Reapers were eradicating everything about the Protheans. Also that red orb reminded me of the Reapers' lasers you know, like the one on Rannoch or Tuchanka. However you're right on this: How can this data go to Eletania?

[MrFob]

I didn't exactly say that. I didn't give an open explanation and wanted him to form his own.
Though it makes sense if the Protheans were to insert the chip and the Reapers took it out as you know, the Reapers were eradicating everything about the Protheans. Also that red orb reminded me of the Reapers' lasers you know, like the one on Rannoch or Tuchanka. However you're right on this: How can this data go to Eletania?

 

But why would they go through all that trouble to take a little recording device out of the head of some cave man while leaving the archive on Mars alone, you know, the one with the blueprints of the weapon that can destroy them all?

 

I mean, who knows. Ultimately, both explanations are possible and I agree that the red orb sounds kinda reaper-ish. I just always interpreted it differently.

 

Actually, now that I think about it, do we even know for certain that the cave man, who's life Shepard lived through was from earth?

[mannygt]

I'm still playing ME2 right now, so I'm waiting to get into ME3 and meet Vendetta (curious how the VI name is in Italian, Vendetta = Revenge for us) and I'm still in the idea of red orb = reaper.

About the 'Sol' name: Every system have a name, our is 'Sol'. My language is Italian and Vendetta says "System Sol", this maybe is for you too. The equivalent of Sun in Italian is Sole.

[Monica21]

IDK, to me the term "solar" is an adjective that describes a dependency on any sun. Like solar wind or solar panel. They are powered by Sol here on Earth but the same panel would work in proximity of a lot of other stars/suns as well. So a solar system could be any system really, to my mind.

The noun Sol though definitively describes our parent star, so the Sol system is the system, containing Earth. It's a bit of a contradiction, I grant you but Sol is not the only word that has this kind of linguistic weirdness.

 

Besides, we also don't use adjectives if we talk about other star systems. The Arcturus System is the star system around the star Arcturus. We don't call that Arcturusar System either.

 

But every system has a sun. I'm not sure if that was God's point, but I was wondering that too.

[aka.700]

But why would they go through all that trouble to take a little recording device out of the head of some cave man while leaving the archive on Mars alone, you know, the one with the blueprints of the weapon that can destroy them all?
 
I mean, who knows. Ultimately, both explanations are possible and I agree that the red orb sounds kinda reaper-ish. I just always interpreted it differently.
 
Actually, now that I think about it, do we even know for certain that the cave man, who's life Shepard lived through was from earth?

 
Yes, you're right. They would have known about the archives and destroyed them too. It also didn't strike me as the Protheans at first because of no mention of a person, just the ship.
He may not be a human, we could think about other species which aren't very advanced but the hairy fist

 

I'm still playing ME2 right now, so I'm waiting to get into ME3 and meet Vendetta (curious how the VI name is in Italian, Vendetta = Revenge for us) and I'm still in the idea of red orb = reaper.
About the 'Sol' name: Every system have a name, our is 'Sol'. My language is Italian and Vendetta says "System Sol", this maybe is for you too. The equivalent of Sun in Italian is Sole.

I have read somewhere that Vigil, Vendetta, Victory.... they all start with a "V". A coincidence? ...... Because Javik's name, although having a "v" in it, doesn't start with one.


Also about the "Sol System" discussion:

"How the Sun Got its Name
The sun has many names in many cultures, all of them presumably pre-historic in their origins. The ancient Greeks called it Helios and the ancient Romans called it Sol, both of which derive from the same Proto-Indo-European term. Latin Sol developed as sole in Italian, sol in Portuguese and Spanish, and with the addition of an originally diminutive suffix, as soleil in French. Modern English sun evolved from the same Proto-Germanic form that today is Sonne in German and zon in Dutch, variously attested as sonne and sunne in Old and Middle English, with similar forms found in other ancient Germanic languages such as Old Norse, Old Saxon, Old High German and Gothic."

NASA, ("Sun: Overview")
http://solarsystem.n...ay=OverviewLong


Think about it "The Moon" and "Jupiter's moons"; "Earth" and "earth"

[MrFob]

But every system has a sun. I'm not sure if that was God's point, but I was wondering that too.

Well, I have to give it to you. I just did a bit of googeling and it turns out that our star is not named Sol. I mean, everyone knows that Sol is just the Latin word for sun but I actually thought it would have been used by astronomers to define our sun specifically, as opposed to ohers these days. In fact, that is not the case apparently and our sun doesn't really have a name (you'd think someone got around to naming the dam thing at some point).
So I guess officially, out star system doesn't really have a name either.

That said, it seems to me that people very commonly still use the distinction, that I made in my post above, so I am just going to keep rolling with it.

[aka.700]

Well, I have to give it to you. I just did a bit of googeling and it turns out that our star is not named Sol. I mean, everyone knows that Sol is just the Latin word for sun but I actually thought it would have been used by astronomers to define our sun specifically, as opposed to ohers these days. In fact, that is not the case apparently and our sun doesn't really have a name (you'd think someone got around to naming the dam thing at some point).
So I guess officially, out star system doesn't really have a name either.

That said, it seems to me that people very commonly still use the distinction, that I made in my post above, so I am just going to keep rolling with it.

You know it's the same in Turkish too. The Sun's name is "Güneş" in Turkish and we use it to define other suns as well. The distinction is with the capital "G"

[mannygt]

Hey there I'm back again.

 

I've finished to play my 4th playthrough of the whole trilogy. I talked with Vendetta (and heard what Victory have said during Javik mission): there are not hints nor clues about the Prothean artifact at Eletania nor the caveman. I've talked too with Sha'ira at the casino in the Silversun Strip, no clues.

I'm still on my opinion: The reapers ("the red orb...") have cleaned all the clues about Protheans and his technology (the probe in the head).
The reapers have wiped the caveman(s) to avoid the future archaeologists to discover a Prothean probe (a futuristic technology) in an ancient human skull.

[mannygt]

Another thing that I would share with you: I'm playing again ME3 with a M3 imported character. I've just completed the Javik Mission and I've talked with him.

During the dialogues I heard: "we've interrupted our studies on you to make the reapers considering you as primitives" (or something like this, I'm Italian).

 

This maybe won't fit very well because there is no "red orb" here, but...

[Dantriges]

The reapers didn´t bulldoze Feros or other prothean ruins and collected every small artifact. I agree, the end of the text sounds a bit like a reaper but it´s rather weird. Why would they care if future archaeologists find proof of a previous spacefaring species? It´s not reapertech and well we are on schedule for the next harvest anyways. It doesn´t matter to them if we found proof for another spacefaring species in 1850 or 2250.

[aka.700]

The reapers didn´t bulldoze Feros or other prothean ruins and collected every small artifact. I agree, the end of the text sounds a bit like a reaper but it´s rather weird. Why would they care if future archaeologists find proof of a previous spacefaring species? It´s not reapertech and well we are on schedule for the next harvest anyways. It doesn´t matter to them if we found proof for another spacefaring species in 1850 or 2250.

In one instance Liara said "... as if someone came after the harvest and cleansed the galaxy of their [Protheans'] existence from the galaxy....]

[Dantriges]

Well yes, but Shepard alone found several beacons, pyramids, spheres, data drives, obelisks and a living prothean. Also Mars archives, Feros,Therum and Ilos. I somehow doubt that the Reapers would find an implanted probe on an unharvested planet.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

To me, it is still a Prothean... I mean, look at the ME1 Codex Image for them... They look a bit Metalic.

 

Imagine again that it could fly. Or just bounce around or something like that.  Then, the red orb could be its eye, trying to erase the memory or incapacitate the being that saw it so that they could spy on us undetected.

 

But then again, this only makes sense if all other games are not-considered, because Bioware didn't know what Protheans would be like in the future (IF they ever showed up)

[aka.700]

Well yes, but Shepard alone found several beacons, pyramids, spheres, data drives, obelisks and a living prothean. Also Mars archives, Feros,Therum and Ilos. I somehow doubt that the Reapers would find an implanted probe on an unharvested planet.

That doesn't mean they didn't go there. They were aware of us, humans, but they let us be, according the the Catalyst.
I'm not saying it's either the Protheans or the Reapers. I'm just saying it could be both because there are evidences(small, big) implying both.

[capn233]

I interpreted the orb story as others did.  The Protheans put an implant in an early human ancestor, and then removed it to conclude their study.  Protheans were studying the "lesser" races for whatever reason, and eventually decided to make the Asari their pet race with more extensive interference.

 

Here is the text, as per the wiki:

 

Leaning on your bone-tipped spear for support, you rise to your feet. A sound draws your attention upwards, where a strange creature hovers high above you. It is unlike the birds you hunt by the lake's edge – it has no head and no wings yet somehow it flies. It is a beast of shining silver; hanging motionless in the sky like a cloud. You sense it is watching you, studying you....

 

...The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

 

The "strange bird" is a Prothean craft or probe.  The red light is projected from that construct, which is the same (or at least appears the same) when the tech is implanted, and when it is removed.  As such it is unlikely that the tech was removed by Reapers.