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[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Don't get me wrong I give major credit for Luke addressing the community concerns over class balance and making under used classes viable now. In his efforts though, I feel due to user complaints found in the multiplayer threads in regards to certain classes being unplayable or underpowered there's been a quick rush to roll out buffs that were not needed and excessive thus leading to the 'new cillian' or somewhat close to it.

Case in point is the reaver, because I never felt she was underpowered/underwhelming or needed major adjustments found in the last patch. In fact, she got nothing but direct and indirect buffs that now lead to her being heavily relied upon in the upper difficulty levels for burst dps/tanking class.

These are the exact changes she got:

1.) Reaver base heal 2% on hit and increased health per level.

2.) All armors were refactored for level to provide more armor rating.

Those changes are quite major since this class that is presumed to be designed as a glass cannon with major burst dps. But with the advent of dragon/hakkon weapons and the ability to craft high hok with base heal on hit, she has now has a strong defense/survivability to go with her ridiculously high dps from dragon rage that deals 150% weapon dmg and crits more often than not even with low to moderate promotions with flow of battle+rampage it literally turns to full heal and spammablity.

I'm going to rustle a few jimmies by saying this, but reaver is the new pre patch arcane warrior and dragon rage is the new spirit blade because there are no major negatives in abusing/spamming this ability that deals avg 2-3k a swipe with dragon maul/hakkon valor with bloodbath passive it's around 4-5k+. The only downsides are when it's blocked by mook gladiators,with upgraded war horn and fear passive it's hardly something I call negatives. Projectiles are easily negated through proper defensive tactics like combat roll, and los with cover.

The allure of this class has been lost in transition not due to the fact that seemingly everyone now has her in group for dps, but she has become the go to tank class like pre AW was, just with massive dmg output. She far excels over other warrior kits now and tears through all factions unlike Avvar since her dmg output doesn't rely on elemental weaknesses, it's purely physical. Crushing leap and lady's wrath isn't abusable on nm but dragon rage dishes out 150% weapon dmg across every single faction with no cool down. Imo, the only thing reaver needed was rampage being fixed but with the latest patch it just made her the new AW, yet other classes are still lacking in proper adjustments such as templar and assassin.

To this day, I see the katari and alchemists being the only actual two classes that were balanced right because with their buffs (guard on hit, elemental mines) the classes themselves never lost what they were designed to do in a team based environment. Reaver was never designed to be durable, and have some of the best dps out of all classes.

[Bearform]

Bro, leave the Reaver alone. She has been abused for long enough. Sin, necro, templar need buff tho.

[ErySakasegawa]

Pedobaer is right. Reaver -> Can't touch this.

[Bearform]

No comments.

[K_A_Rnage]

My team mate now has over 100 promotions in each stat and doesn't need barrier or Lego taunts to obliterate NM FC.
The 2% HoH makes DR free and Valor winds up to 6k crits.
With all the Armour upgrades the HoH was an overbuff.
The HP buff was perfectly fine tho as I don't know why warriors ever had the same HP as mages.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Pedobear, besides the rampage ability glitching out from time to time, there wasn't anything wrong with the reaver pre patch. Any class that can full life steal without hok from tooting their horn upgraded isn't weak or underpowered.

[Bearform]

It was the low hp and low armour before that made her hard to play. I got 200 games on her pre buff and people would laugh when i enter games with her, so it was general public opinion prior. I found her to be very powerful before too. But new buff was very nice.

Dragon rage dose not proc the 2% heal on hit. DR still have you lose 2% on hit. It only procs for mighty blow and reg attack. No one uses MB and reg attack after lv 7 anyways.

[Johnsen1972]

Overpromoted people will always complain how easy every class is.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Overpromoted people will always complain how easy every class is.

Depends on what you consider overpromoted....

[K_A_Rnage]

HoH doesn't proc on DR?
Must be the 1 HoK ring I have equiped then.
The reality being that I never take my finger off DR, it's in shoulder button, HoH is completely redundant.
Valor Auto Attacks Crit for 1.5k as a lvl 1 so most things get 2 shot in peri anyway.

She really is just a Raging Red Ball of KARnage.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

HoH doesn't proc on DR?
Must be the 1 HoK ring I have equiped then.
The reality being that I never take my finger off DR, it's in shoulder button, HoH is completely redundant.
Valor Auto Attacks Crit for 1.5k as a lvl 1 so most things get 2 shot in peri anyway.
She really is just a Raging Red Ball of KARnage.

You forgot to mention how karnage she can cause even with the dragon maul without hok....

[K_A_Rnage]

You forgot to mention how karnage she can cause even with the dragon maul without hok....

Might try Boon of the Spoon with a lvl 19 on threat this arvo. Just because

[zzaffrzz]

With the new buff the ' High risk High reward ' style of the reaver is gone .
There is no need for the HOH .

[Theghostof_timmy]

I would say yes, she was kind of over-buffed. My stats aren't particularly high compared to some around here, and I usually don't activate rampage on perilous until the last wave, and usually that is just to kill the boss quicker. The addition of HOH essentially brought the Reaver back to the pre-nerf to DR days, the armor upgrades just put her totally over the top. The only thing that can kill the reaver now is high magic burst damage, so she struggles a bit with the NM venatori but that's it.

[TheSpookyAce]

Hey I have been working nonstop on my cunning to prepare to wreak havoc with reaver one day. Do you mind allowing me to have a little bit fun before you are bored of her and start calling for nerfs or rollbacks? 

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Hey I have been working nonstop on my cunning to prepare to wreak havoc with reaver one day. Do you mind allowing me to have a little bit fun before you are bored of her and start calling for nerfs or rollbacks?

She instantly Crits with War horn+Terrifying Fury passive regardless of cunning promotions.

[akots1]

OP is clearly overpromoted and overgeared and is rolfstomping Nightmare with any class. I'd suggest to go and play Heartbreaker instead of writing some nonsense threads.

 

Seriously, at OP: can you solo nightmare with a reaver? No? Why not? You said yourself she is overpowered? Oh, I forgot, needs dragon maul, two superior HoK rings, you've got to host also, and "proper defensive tactics"? I don't think you need any "proper defensive tactics" after 100+ stats in everything? You still need? How strange?

[supoman]

I think right now reaver is really well balanced. Avvar on the other hand... Could really need something else for survivability imo.

[Yumi]

Low promotion reaver is still a semi glass cannon.

High promotion reaver is a monster. So is high promotion arcane warrior though.

Reaves DPS with high promotion and Hakkon is just ridiculous, but that's a small percentage of them.

Mark of death archer plus Hakkon reaver is almost as boss as two archers.


But let's not start talking nerfs yet. I'm still not over my longshot wet noodle.

The only tweak on reaver I think might help make it less OP on NM is taking away fear on Crit hit or whatever it is.

I'm watching my 150 cunning buddies solo NM with reaver. Seeing 30 enemies all simultaneously in fear/panic..... Talk about freaking crowd control.

[MagicalMaster]

Dragon rage dose not proc the 2% heal on hit. DR still have you lose 2% on hit.

 

This.  Can we please stop talking about the HoH that is irrelevant for the Reaver?  Please?

[Innarra]

It was the low hp and low armour before that made her hard to play. I got 200 games on her pre buff and people would laugh when i enter games with her, so it was general public opinion prior. I found her to be very powerful before too. But new buff was very nice.

Dragon rage dose not proc the 2% heal on hit. DR still have you lose 2% on hit. It only procs for mighty blow and reg attack. No one uses MB and reg attack after lv 7 anyways.

 

Technically... Dragon Rage actually costs somewhere around 4-5% hp, above and beyond what the tooltip suggests. This was tested some time ago, and the post is buried somewhere, sorry I'm too lazy to link it. The heal on hit she gets now negates some of it and reduces the cost to around 2%

[K_A_Rnage]

The reality is she doesn't need nerfing, some others need buffing.
Izzy doesn't, she owns NM too

[Pheabus2009]

but she has become the go to tank class like pre AW was, just with massive dmg output. 

This is not true, unless you have tons of promotions (e.g. 60+ for each attributes), AW is still far more tanky than Reaver.

[MGW7]

Yeah, the heal on hit is only useful for new players, or promoting.

 

The top players don't need the heal on hit because they kill fast enough that heal on kill massively outshines the meager heal on hit, and if they need to farm health back without kills (bosses) they will have rampage.

[Felis Menari]

This is not true, unless you have tons of promotions (e.g. 60+ for each attributes), AW is still far more tanky than Reaver.

Indeed, though now the Legionnaire is the tankiest of tanks (as it should be).