Aller au contenu

Photo

How could Mass Effect: Andromeda handle romance better than previous games?


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
782 réponses à ce sujet

#1
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

*
MESSAGE POPULAIRE !

See the title.  This is a thread for suggestions and discussions.  No being rude, no bashing others for their opinions, please.

 

I know some people would rather romance be taken out altogether, but I think it can really help with immersion at times.  I'm fine with playing a single character sometimes, but I enjoy playing the romances.  I am a sappy person and I know it.  I love to gush about the romances.  Still, I think they could be done better in ME:A than they were in the previous Mass Effect games.

 

My personal suggestions:

 

  1. Equal numbers of romances, beginning to end, for male and female player character.  At least one option each for gay and lesbian player characters as well.
  2. Limit the number of romance options.  If the series follows one protagonist, allow romances to begin mid-series with the "base" romances from the first game.  If not, then you can have brand new romances every game and no one's going to mind that too much.  This is not an "I hate variety" thing, but a matter of practicality.  The ME games didn't usually have a huge variety of squadmates, so not all of them should be romanceable.  Also, they tended to carry forward as cameos etc. to the next game.  Limiting the number means we can have them as party members in every game, or at least that there won't be an overwhelming amount of possible LIs to deal with without mistreating certain groups of players in the final game.
  3. If this is a series, rather than a single game, romances should build on the relationship through time, through ups and downs.  This happened in ME1-3 with Kaidan, Liara, and Ashley.  Also with Garrus and Tali.  I was one of those weird ladies who romanced Garrus and couldn't get enough because I LOVED how that story played out, and it was because it took time to build it.  Characters like Jack, Miranda, Thane, and Jacob didn't get the same kind of development, because they showed up later.  It's better if we can let everyone romance a character who's been around from the beginning.
  4. Only add as many romances as you're willing to deal with in the final game of the series.
  5. It is very much not okay to take options away from straight women or LGBT people, while still leaving straight males with all of their options.
  6. If Andromeda is going to be a trilogy, don't add romances in the third game.  Stick with the previous games' romances, and build from there.
  7. Allow players to start a romance with characters they chose not to romance in a previous game.  This can happen even in the final game.  To be frank that is probably realistic, because when things get rough, well... you're going to be looking for comfort.
  8. The final scene shouldn't always be sex.  If there's sex, when it happens should depend on the character you're romancing.  Some might sleep with you right away, others midway through, still others not until the final moments.  And a few might not want to have sex at all.
  9. Let players discuss marriage and family with their LIs.  Even if the response, from either the player or the LI, or both, is "I don't ever want that," it's an important discussion.  We're not talking about having kids running around the ship in-game.  Just let characters think about the future a bit, and where their relationships are going.  You know, kind of like real people who are dating might do after a while.
  10. Breakups and deaths of LIs are fine if that needs to be part of their story, however, unavoidable breakups and deaths of LIs and/or betrayals should not ONLY happen to the female player character.  If it has to happen as part of the story, let the men experience it too. If it's believed that the players of male characters will suffer too much heartbreak from this, or that it is horrible in some way because a female LI might suffer or die, then please consider that it is not much fun for most of the players of the female characters either and that it's equally horrible when male LIs suffer and die.  If the player's suffering/heartbreak is a concern preventing this from happening to male PCs, just don't do it at all.  Players of female PCs get seriously unhappy about these things, too (and when it's almost always us it happens to, it gets pretty old and loses its impact as a plot device).

 

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of.  Obviously others are free to disagree, make other suggestions, discuss, etc.  That's what this thread is for.  Someone may have way better ideas than I did.


  • Lillian Sword-Maiden, Evamitchelle, Rappeldrache et 59 autres aiment ceci

#2
NWN-Ming-Ming

NWN-Ming-Ming
  • Members
  • 421 messages

I like what you've written above!

 

I think the way DAI handled Romance, Sex, and the overall choice-spread of Romance partners pretty well; although when I made my third playthrough and tried a male, I found it odd that I had fewer choices than my normal female characters, pretty much only Cassandra from recruitable NPC's.

 

I also agree that the trend of "Tragic Breakups" for the female options has really got to stop, at least for awhile.  There's been way too many "Dumpers" when you play as a female across Mass Effect and Dragon Age, and it would be nice to have a break from the forced separations as a ongoing trope.

 

If I had to add anything to what you've already stated, it might be to suggest that that we get more "Frontliners" as partners, as so many of the previous ME romances were all Support types.  DAI had a much more reasonable spread of class mixes in my opinion that synergized well with the protoganist.


  • Brass_Buckles, aluanira, cergyn et 2 autres aiment ceci

#3
Oldren Shepard

Oldren Shepard
  • Members
  • 480 messages
I like what you're proposing, but in every game they probably will include new characters to expand the possibilities of romance, that would transcend from the first, to the second game, to the third (and to try to keep everyone happy they'll give them some degree of romance or involvement with the new characters).
 
If the rest of leaks are true, we'll have a number similar to the first game, personally I prefer that the squad mates be 3 or 4 to evolve a deeper way every relationship from the main character.
 
And for the relationship i prefer it to be platonic, the end of getting involved with someone in that way (for me at least) is not getting laid (is a wonderful and pleasant part but...), is to know that person and vice versa her flaws, qualities, be supportive, listening, be sympathetic, rely, be honest, in some cases do things you don't want but either way you do it, for her for sharing the time together.

Modifié par Oldren Shepard, 01 août 2015 - 08:20 .

  • LordSwagley aime ceci

#4
Panda

Panda
  • Members
  • 7 459 messages

I guite like what you have written OP :D

 

I'd like to add that:

 

1. Make romance dialogue options have more choices. In ME in order to romance character you always need to push flirt dialogue option when it appears. This takes away from roleplaying in my opinion, there is not much choice and if you don't pick flirt option once romance will fail so you had to always pick flirt option in order to romance, I think this made romances quite boring and sometimes hindered gameplay.

2. More alien LI's. Gay male PC got 0 in the series, that at least should be fixed.

3. I'd like most 2/2/2 system in romances, two straight LI's, two bisexual and two homosexual one's so everyone had this time similar opportunities to romance. If this is not possible I'd like numbers be somewhat close. Also I think 2 romance options are needed for everyone to pick from.


  • Evamitchelle, Brass_Buckles, daveliam et 19 autres aiment ceci

#5
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

 

I like what you're proposing, but in every game they probably will include new characters to expand the possibilities of romance, that would transcend from the first, to the second game, to the third (and to try to keep everyone happy they'll give them some degree of romance or involvement with the new characters).
 
If the rest of leaks are true, we'll have a number similar to the first game, personally I prefer that the squad mates be 3 or 4 to evolve a deeper way every relationship from the main character.

 

 

Yes, I know, but I think you understand what I mean when I say it's just more meaningful to stick to characters with whom you already had the opportunity to begin forging a relationship.  If Garrus hadn't ever been an option, I probably would have been satisfied with Kaidan.  But even then, Garrus was there in the first game, so his romance was an extension of his friendship.  It had an organic progression to it that wouldn't have been possible if Garrus had not been present in ME1.  And in fact you weren't able to romance him if you did not recruit him in ME1!

 

And I think that it's also silly to block people out of starting a relationship in Game 2 because they didn't start it in Game 1.  Well, it made more sense in ME1 and ME2, because you could really be rude about shutting someone down.  Even so, people can change their minds after they get to know each other.  I think this was possible with Kaidan and Ashley, maybe also Liara.  But you couldn't start anything up with Garrus or Tali in ME3.

 

I'm also not saying to not add ANY new romances in a new game, but it should definitely be limited.  One of the devs' major issues that they brought up was having to juggle SO MANY romance options.  This is also apparently why female Shepard lost two of her options entirely.  Apparently they forgot Thane was an option--even though he had been created with the idea in mind that he would be a romantic interest for female Shepards.  Had they not forgotten this, perhaps they would have enabled Shepard to get a cure to him, or alternately, failed to due to decisions made, and still had the tragic ending.


  • Estelindis, Shinrai, Oldren Shepard et 4 autres aiment ceci

#6
Gago

Gago
  • Members
  • 330 messages

I don't want to "romance" everyone just because I am nice with them.

 

I want more LIs for straight guys, meaning not DAI.


  • chessplayer209, prosthetic soul et Likedabeast aiment ceci

#7
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

I don't want to "romance" everyone just because I am nice with them.

 

I want more LIs for straight guys, meaning not DAI.

 

I want equal numbers for men and women.

 

And I totally agree with you that being friendly shouldn't auto-romance you.  That was annoying through the entire series.

 

I think that DAI's surplus of romance for female characters was an attempt to compensate women who were feeling slighted after having two LIs taken away from them in ME3.  Considering it was an entirely different game series, and didn't correct the actual problem from Mass Effect 3, it really didn't help at all--just made some of the guys angry (understandably). Though, to be fair, one of those extra LIs did not end well (surprise surprise, because it was a male LI for a female player character) and was only available to female elves.  (And our other options would have been Blackwall and Iron Bull, which... Yeah, my Inquisitor would have been single.)



#8
NWN-Ming-Ming

NWN-Ming-Ming
  • Members
  • 421 messages

Yeah, I ended up picking Blackwall for my first playthrough, and he was surprisingly romantic and sweet. 

 

Sera was my main squeeze in my second playthrough, and she's like my bestest, pick-me-upper, support me and make me feel all warm and fuzzy romantic partner evah!

 

I did end up trying Iron Bull just to see the bondage-aspect of his romance, and it was...  interesting.

 

My male protagonist pretty only has Cassie to romance, though I suppose I could also try Dorian and play as Bi.

 

I do see where some straight male players are annoyed at the way they've been locked out from more choices, but my response to them is

 

"THIS IS REVENGE FOR ANOMEN DELRYN!!!!"


  • medusa_hair aime ceci

#9
Feybrad

Feybrad
  • Members
  • 1 420 messages

My male protagonist pretty only has Cassie to romance, though I suppose I could also try Dorian and play as Bi.

 

Why is there no Love for Josephine (or Cullen, for that Matter) in your Post?


  • frylock23, Hanako Ikezawa, ananna21 et 1 autre aiment ceci

#10
NWN-Ming-Ming

NWN-Ming-Ming
  • Members
  • 421 messages

Why is there no Love for Josephine (or Cullen, for that Matter) in your Post?

Oh, I do like Cullen, but he's not really a recruitable party member romance, so I kind of forget about him.  Same with Josie.  I actually have been having trouble getting Josie's romance to fire because I think there's a mod problem.  If I can fix it, I'll definitely try her with my male Quizzy.



#11
Feybrad

Feybrad
  • Members
  • 1 420 messages

Oh, I do like Cullen, but he's not really a recruitable party member romance, so I kind of forget about him.  Same with Josie.  I actually have been having trouble getting Josie's romance to fire because I think there's a mod problem.  If I can fix it, I'll definitely try her with my male Quizzy.

 

Do it. She's the Best of the bunch. (This is my personal Opinion. You should all have the same Opinion, but that's not up to me.)


  • Hanako Ikezawa, BraveVesperia et LordSwagley aiment ceci

#12
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

Do it. She's the Best of the bunch. (This is my personal Opinion. You should all have the same Opinion, but that's not up to me.)

 

Blasphemy!  No one is better than the heartbreaker named Solas!

 

(Just kidding.  And I really wish he WEREN'T a heartbreaker, but it makes sense for his story so I guess I'll deal with it.)

 

In any case we're here to discuss what we want to see going forward for ME:A.


  • Blue Gloves aime ceci

#13
NWN-Ming-Ming

NWN-Ming-Ming
  • Members
  • 421 messages

Yesh, that's true...  well I'd like to see an N7 love interest, someone tough and resourceful, embodying the BEST that humanity has to offer.  Someone protective to act as the warding shield, the moral compass, and the guiding hope of a better tomorrow.  In short, I want...

468px-ChrisEvansCapAm88989.jpg

Steve Rogers... He's everything I think an awesome human LI for Mass Effect should be.  ^_^


  • frylock23, Estelindis, Hanako Ikezawa et 4 autres aiment ceci

#14
HuldraDancer

HuldraDancer
  • Members
  • 4 793 messages

Feel a little bad I can't add anything to the discussion other than I agree with that OP especially for the heartbreak romances to be more evenly spread out if there are going to be any. (Even if I have been weirdly wanting a ruthless will use and leave you as it suits them female LI :lol: )

 

Hopefully the ME:A romances if its going to be a trilogy won't suffer the same fate as the first trilogy of having romance options just forgotten about then imo rather poorly written around that to get rid of them.


  • Panda aime ceci

#15
Feybrad

Feybrad
  • Members
  • 1 420 messages

In any case we're here to discuss what we want to see going forward for ME:A.

 

Yeah. Right. Getting on Track.

 

Your Suggestions are all fair enough. They make Sense and you seem to be wanting equal Options for everyone 'n Stuff. That's fine and essentially closed off any Addition from the "common Sense" Part of the Discussion. So I'll just post my personal hopes and Wishes.

 

I have mentioned it from Time to Time, but I wish for a more varied Cast in Terms of Ages. There should be younger Characters (By which I'd mean something like earlier Twenties, comparable to DA:O Alistair or Merrill, NOT "Children") as well as older Characters, especially amongst Love Interests. For Example, straight Women in DA:I get a really old Selection (from my 19-Year-old Point of View), with Cullen presumably around his at least early Thirties the youngest. Straight Guys have a similar "Problem", with Josephine (who I'd say is at leats in her late Twenties) being the youngest Option. Gay Guys the same, with Dorian in about the same Age Bracket. The only really young seeming LI was Sera and she was a Lesbian.

 

I'd wish, the Game would offer both younger and older Love Interests for each Orientation. This can be easily accomplished with a commendable 2/2/2 Split, where for Example, the bisexual LIs could be of one Age Bracket and the ******&heterosexual LIs of the other One.

 

That's what I wanted to add.



#16
Hanako Ikezawa

Hanako Ikezawa
  • Members
  • 29 692 messages

The romances shouldn't have mandatory sex scenes like in previous Mass Effect games. There should be some where it is optional, and even some that have it so the level of intimacy is left ambiguous. Dragon Age: Inquisition did both of these scenarios very well. I would also like it if they added the option to marry some of the love interests. 


  • Brass_Buckles, Lady Nuggins, Kmaru et 1 autre aiment ceci

#17
NWN-Ming-Ming

NWN-Ming-Ming
  • Members
  • 421 messages

The romances shouldn't have mandatory sex scenes like in previous Mass Effect games. There should be some where it is optional, and even some that have it so the level of intimacy is left ambiguous. Dragon Age: Inquisition did both of these scenarios very well. I would also like it if they added the option to marry some of the love interests. 

 

 

Oh for crying out loud...  you really have a problem with the tastefulness of the nudity in ME's romances? 

 

DAI was pretty much on a par to my recollection with anything we've seen from the ME series.  As far as I know, the only romance that shows no nudity is Josie's.  How is you're okay with the nudity in the romances from DAI but ME1's was too much?  I'm not poking you, I really want to know what your issues are.



#18
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

The romances shouldn't have mandatory sex scenes like in previous Mass Effect games. There should be some where it is optional, and even some that have it so the level of intimacy is left ambiguous. Dragon Age: Inquisition did both of these scenarios very well. I would also like it if they added the option to marry some of the love interests. 

 

That's why I mentioned some might not want sex at all, and I'd like to see LIs actually discuss possible futures (marriage, family) with the PC.

 

I don't think actually getting married in the course of the game is likely to happen, since you'd feel cheated if you didn't get a beautifully animated wedding scene or something.  Maybe a mention that it happens post-final game?

 

And a few people have mentioned over time, with good reason, they'd like a no-sex-before-marriage romance.  Which is definitely something BioWare should consider doing, as it's a valid life choice as any.

 

Your idea that it should be possible to not have sex at all, based on player choice, is a good one.  I like that.  Consent matters, even if you aren't asexual.  Maybe you just think it's a bad time to have sex.  Maybe you don't want to until marriage.  Maybe you love that freaky alien but having sex with him/her is a step you aren't ready to take for at least another game, if ever.


  • Estelindis, Hanako Ikezawa, LordSwagley et 1 autre aiment ceci

#19
Hanako Ikezawa

Hanako Ikezawa
  • Members
  • 29 692 messages

Oh for crying out loud...  you really have a problem with the tastefulness of the nudity in ME's romances? 

 

DAI was pretty much on a par to my recollection with anything we've seen from the ME series.  As far as I know, the only romance that shows no nudity is Josie's.  How is you're okay with the nudity in the romances from DAI but ME1's was too much?  I'm not poking you, I really want to know what your issues are.

Who are you talking to? 



#20
BabyPuncher

BabyPuncher
  • Members
  • 1 939 messages

The problem with a 'no sex before marriage' companion is that it builds up to a resolution players are unlikely to ever see.

 

Marriage is a huge, life changing event. BioWare is not going to be able to do it right without investing a huge amount of resources.



#21
Hanako Ikezawa

Hanako Ikezawa
  • Members
  • 29 692 messages

That's why I mentioned some might not want sex at all, and I'd like to see LIs actually discuss possible futures (marriage, family) with the PC.

 

I don't think actually getting married in the course of the game is likely to happen, since you'd feel cheated if you didn't get a beautifully animated wedding scene or something.  Maybe a mention that it happens post-final game?

 

And a few people have mentioned over time, with good reason, they'd like a no-sex-before-marriage romance.  Which is definitely something BioWare should consider doing, as it's a valid life choice as any.

 

Your idea that it should be possible to not have sex at all, based on player choice, is a good one.  I like that.  Consent matters, even if you aren't asexual.  Maybe you just think it's a bad time to have sex.  Maybe you don't want to until marriage.  Maybe you love that freaky alien but having sex with him/her is a step you aren't ready to take for at least another game, if ever.

I saw. I was just restating that point since that's on the top of my list. 

I don't know, a super small 'ceremony' like in Mission Impossible 3 would be cute. Then they could discuss having a more formal one after the plot is over. 

I know. I'm one of the people whose been requesting that.

Exactly. The ability to abstain offers a variety of roleplaying options. 



#22
HuldraDancer

HuldraDancer
  • Members
  • 4 793 messages

About the marriage thing, I'm not sure about including a cutscene for it or something but I have said many a time I would like the option to talk about stuff like that with our LI or just companions in general. One of my favorite conversations in a game was with an LI not available to me but it was about having kids after dealing with a quest involving children. It was very short and all in all probably didn't add a ton but it added a little to my rp of my character who did want kids some day and I was able to express that and I like that, those little touches. Which makes me really want to just talk about normal stuff like that once in a while in game as an option gives me a bit more immersion into the game and character I'm playing.


  • PlasmaCheese et KatSolo aiment ceci

#23
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

The problem with a 'no sex before marriage' companion is that it builds up to a resolution players are unlikely to ever see.

 

Marriage is a huge, life changing event. BioWare is not going to be able to do it right without investing a huge amount of resources.

 

I think it could be done without requiring a ceremony or anything.  Just a discussion, and then at the end of the final game, maybe some art or something to imply you did get married.  I definitely agree with you that an actual marriage taking place in-game would be a huge resource sink.  Animations, decorative clutter meshes that aren't likely to be used anywhere else, writing, scripting, voice acting... it would be a nightmare for a scene that is only optional and not tied directly to the plot.

 

Yes, it would be a sweet scene, and it would probably be moving and players would definitely adore it.  But there probably wouldn't BE a scene, it would probably be an "ending card," to save on resources, after the final game of the series.  Assuming, that is, that ME:A will be a series and not a group of individual games with their very own individual protagonists.  Which is entirely possible.


  • Estelindis, Kmaru et LordSwagley aiment ceci

#24
NWN-Ming-Ming

NWN-Ming-Ming
  • Members
  • 421 messages

Who are you talking to? 

Sorry I should have used the quote function, I was curious why you felt that ME's nudity was more questionable than DAI's?



#25
BabyPuncher

BabyPuncher
  • Members
  • 1 939 messages
Your idea that it should be possible to not have sex at all, based on player choice, is a good one.  I like that.  Consent matters, even if you aren't asexual.  Maybe you just think it's a bad time to have sex.  Maybe you don't want to until marriage.  Maybe you love that freaky alien but having sex with him/her is a step you aren't ready to take for at least another game, if ever.

 

Okay. I'm going to say this plain and simple.

 

Trying to drag in 'consent' into a virtual character having sex in a story written by someone else for the sole reason that you as a player don't think it's what 'your character' would do is really, really, really stupid. Don't do it.

 

I really don't want to get into all the reasons on why it's really, really stupid. So why don't we cut that short right here and now?

 

You can suggest that players can opt out of sex scenes. That has nothing to do with 'consent.'


  • chessplayer209 aime ceci