782 réponses à ce sujet

[daveliam]

We don't see it but can find out where the squaddies sleep if romanced. For example, Garrus is sleeping in femShep's room (if romanced). The ipad app has him saying (shortly after the protocol on reuniting with a lover convo) he was sleeping next to her watching her sleep, but got up to get a drink and something about her being beautiful. Part of it was in the ME:A twitter thread a few days/weeks back.

 

Kaidan definitely sleeps with Shep in ME3 too.  There's banter between him and Shep where he says something like, "You looked so peaceful this morning that I didn't want to wake you."

[KaiserShep]

If you want properly weird try the Spiny Echidna - I'll let you Google Image search that
It looks like a fleshy medieval weapon.
 
... or Kangaroo Vaginas ... they have 3 and can effectively conveyor belt Joeys.
 
Now there's a challenge for BioWare ... put something in MEA that's weirder than real life!
 
 
 
n.b. why is it always Australia that gets all the weirdest sh*t?

The British had originally hoped that "Monster Island" was true to its namesake when they started sending their prisoners there. Little did they know.

[Chealec]

The British had originally hoped that "Monster Island" was true to its namesake when they started sending their prisoners there. Little did they know.

 

... so what the hell did we expect from Van Diemen's land?!

[Linkenski]

Let me romance a female turian, see how that works out.

Also, what about a romance not part of your permanent crew? Like a contact you regularly see outside of wherever you camp, like on the new citadel kind of thing or something.

Either way, I hope they limit their romance options and really make each one feel purposeful and not purely pandering, like... Ugh, Scout Harding in DAI or something.

[CuriousArtemis]

"At least one each" = no less than one each, but possibly 2 or more, each, gay and lesbian characters.  Not seeing where you are taking offense at that.

 

I do play straight female most of the time, because I am a straight woman, but I am hoping there are equal numbers for all orientations.

 

As far as I'm concerned, "at least one" also pertains to straight male and female romances.

 

As long as it's a good, interesting romance, I don't need or want more than one option--if I don't like the option I am offered, I can always just play a single character.  It's not a dating sim, after all.  The romances make it a little more fun to me, but I can live without 'em.

 

I think that is easy to say when, in a BW game, your character has always had a plethora of choices.

 

I probably misunderstood you though When you said "Equal numbers of romances, beginning to end, for male and female player character.  At least one option each for gay and lesbian player characters as well," I took that to mean you'd be okay with like, 4 male LIs and 4 female LIs, with only one from each group being gay. Which frankly would suck. (But would not surprise me if they did that.)

 

I'm just saying, in ME, my character has had two choices. Yours (if you play straight females) has had four. Granted, two of them suck lol

 

And in DA, my character has had five choices, whereas yours has had ... nine? I think. There were so many straight dudes in DAI it's hard to remember lol

 

I don't "need" the romances either but let me assure you that it sucks when you see other players' characters getting loads of choices while you're forced to choose between "that one guy" (possibly two) or nothing at all.

[CuriousArtemis]

True, it's hard to represent everyone and also draw lines. I think that is best solution I can think of right now, one that doesn't involved big bunch of LI's. Though asexual and transgender romances aren't really something that can't be included in 2/2/2 in my opinion, since character can be both asexual and heteroromantic for my knowing and transgender character would still have gender and sexuality. Also I think that opportunity of make asexual/demisexual protagonist who doesn't have to have sex in the romances in games is fine with many so this goes with the talk of having optional sex in the romances.

 

Yeah!! I actually would think it so cool if my character's assigned LI were transgender or asexual. I really wouldn't mind and in fact would think it cool. (Let's all pause and reflect how amazing Krem would have been instead of Iron Bull....)

[JediMindTrix]

It'd be far better if they skirted the idea of romance in the first game and expanded upon them in future one's. There's almost too many characters in an ME game to really, really, spend enough time to build a believable romance with in just one game.

[BabyPuncher]

What I don't want to see is:

• Some demographics get multiple options and others get no options (the BG2, NWN, KOTOR, ME1, ME2, SWTOR approach) because that sucks for those people to be left out
• Some demographics get multiple options and other get only one option (the JE, DA:O approach) because it sucks to have all of the content riding on one option when others get multiple options.  If you are going to give choice, give it to everyone.

That's really how I see it.

 

Because the rest of us do want to see that? We're just big meany-poos who are gleeful at the idea of marginalized groups being unhappy? Is that what you think is going on?

 

Let's make something clear. There are a lot of groups of people BioWare does not cater to. And they have no intention of catering to. The idea of content being made for 'everyone' is a silly myth.

 

I don't like to see people put in those positions. But that's reality. A reality easily deducted by following simple principles. A reality you really ought to learn to accept.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Yeppers.  Because if Bioware were truly serious about demonstrating the real-life proportional demographics of humanity...

 

Only 3 in 10 human characters would be Caucasian.

Of those 3 Caucasians, only 1 would be male.

English would NOT be the predominant language of humanity.

There's a 50-50 chance that the Keffiyeh or Burqa might be what Shepard would be wearing instead of the hoodie/uniform.

 

Need I go on?  We can play the "majority" game all day long, but I guarantee that most of the die-hard demographic would not be happy with the inconvenient truths outed in such a discussion.

[Fixers0]

And the inconventient reality about Mass Effect is that it is primarily geared towards Western audicences, not really surprising since most if not all of the writers hail from western society themselfs. one of the defining features of western society is free market kapitalism, supply and demand. You can supply any good or service you want but generally you will want to provide the thing which is the highest in demand.

 

Take ice cream flavours for example; A smart salesman would notice certain flavours tend to sell better than others and he would most likely want to have more in stock of the flavour that that sells best. Likewise he would also base his advertising campaign around the more popular flavours.

 

Romances in Mass effect can easily be compared to ice cream flavours, some types are going to be more popular than others, and Bioware knows well enough what the majority of their audience likes most, that doesn't mean they want to intentionally  exclude certain options, it does however mean that other options may be given preference.

 

So it's really nonense to suggest it's somehow about realistic representation of demografics. It's just mix of creative and marketing choices.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Romances in Mass effect can easily be compared to ice cream flavours

 

Mhmmm, and they are just as... lickable, too. ^^

[Chealec]

...

Take ice cream flavours for example; A smart salesman would notice certain flavours tend to sell better than others and he would most likely want to have more in stock of the flavour that that sells best. Likewise he would also base his advertising campaign around the more popular flavours.

 

...

 

 

 

It might not be a popular choice but I bet you'd get a lot of cheap publicity if you made bacon flavour ice cream though.

[Xen]

Mhmmm, and they are just as... lickable, too. ^^

<mfw some guy who thought the same performed a chemical analysis of my bodily fluids

[Panda]

It might not be a popular choice but I bet you'd get a lot of cheap publicity if you made bacon flavour ice cream though.

 

Aiming for niche market can be good too, not as much competition as in main market. Actually I think Bioware is doing that with romances in someways, there is not many games around with LGB+ romances especially as detailed one's as Bioware has so they easily attract players who are intrested in LGB+ romances. Decision of going with only straight romances would likely alienate more customers than bring them to Bioware, since Bioware would have to compete more directly with Witcher's romances and so on.

 

Though of cource I don't think inclusion of LGB+ romances was made purely in business viewpoint, I'm sure that developers own views also have affected that decision.

[Amirit]

And the inconventient reality about Mass Effect is that it is primarily geared towards Western audicences, not really surprising since most if not all of the writers hail from western society themselfs. one of the defining features of western society is free market kapitalism, supply and demand. You can supply any good or service you want but generally you will want to provide the thing which is the highest in demand.
 
Take ice cream flavours for example; A smart salesman would notice certain flavours tend to sell better than others and he would most likely want to have more in stock of the flavour that that sells best. Likewise he would also base his advertising campaign around the more popular flavours.

I wish it worked that way! Here in Canada (we all DO remember where BW is and from?) if some product is more popular then others of the same kind, they remove that particular product from the shelves in order to "give equal opportunity" to others (to be able to sell them all, actually, and do not stop production of those other brends).

So, I would not count that much on classical capitalism concept. Can even go as far as to say that concept does not really work anymore. It's more like "we are making some product and then will convince you that this is exactly what you wanted".
 

Romances in Mass effect can easily be compared to ice cream flavours, some types are going to be more popular than others, and Bioware knows well enough what the majority of their audience likes most, that doesn't mean they want to intentionally  exclude certain options, it does however mean that other options may be given preference.

At least 20% of ME audiences were girls. Should I remind you what they did with romances for girls? Regardless of it's popularity?
 

So it's really nonense to suggest it's somehow about realistic representation of demografics. It's just mix of creative and marketing choices.

This I can wholeheartedly agree with! With high stress on "marketing choices".

[9TailsFox]

It might not be a popular choice but I bet you'd get a lot of cheap publicity if you made bacon flavour ice cream though.

[daveliam]

Because the rest of us do want to see that? We're just big meany-poos who are gleeful at the idea of marginalized groups being unhappy? Is that what you think is going on?

 

Let's make something clear. There are a lot of groups of people BioWare does not cater to. And they have no intention of catering to. The idea of content being made for 'everyone' is a silly myth.

 

I don't like to see people put in those positions. But that's reality. A reality easily deducted by following simple principles. A reality you really ought to learn to accept.

 

I'm sorry that you seem to think that my opinion somehow reflects on you.  Because I can guarantee you that I was not thinking about what you want when I was replying about what I want to see.  Sad but true.  I was responding to another poster and discussing what I would like to see and what I would like to not see going forward.  Nowhere did I say anything about what you wanted to see or didn't want to see.  Feel free to add your thoughts.  But don't project your thoughts onto me. 

 

Also,  you seem to have confused me with someone who lets his emotions dictate the conversation (really, "meany-poos"......?  That jab is so sad that it's almost not worth acknowledging). 

 

Oh, and yes, there have been numerous people in this thread who have put forward the idea of having either only straight or numerous straight with "one gay" option.

[Draining Dragon]

Female turians.

[karushna5]

Yes, I loved Nyreen and think a female Turian would make an awesome romance!

[ShadyKat]

I like what you've written above!
 
I think the way DAI handled Romance, Sex, and the overall choice-spread of Romance partners pretty well; although when I made my third playthrough and tried a male, I found it odd that I had fewer choices than my normal female characters, pretty much only Cassandra from recruitable NPC's.
 
I also agree that the trend of "Tragic Breakups" for the female options has really got to stop, at least for awhile.  There's been way too many "Dumpers" when you play as a female across Mass Effect and Dragon Age, and it would be nice to have a break from the forced separations as a ongoing trope.
 
If I had to add anything to what you've already stated, it might be to suggest that that we get more "Frontliners" as partners, as so many of the previous ME romances were all Support types.  DAI had a much more reasonable spread of class mixes in my opinion that synergized well with the protoganist.

As a straight male who played DA:I, I completely disagree. I feel like we got shafted pretty hard.

[Pee Jae]

I still have difficulty picturing Turians kiss. I know it has already happened in game, but my brain can't wrap itself around how their mouths look + human lips. But, yeah. I'd like a female Turian romance-able squaddie as well. Because Nyreen.

[Draining Dragon]

As a straight male who played DA:I, I completely disagree. I feel like we got shafted pretty hard.

I feel like everyone got shafted by every aspect of DAI.

[Chealec]

As a straight male who played DA:I, I completely disagree. I feel like we got shafted pretty hard.

 

In a thread about "romance"... that might not be the best term to use in this context O_o

[Steelcan]

As a straight male who played DA:I, I completely disagree. I feel like we got shafted pretty hard.

I am right there with you in not being thrilled with the romance options straight men got in DA:I

 

but that said, we got the same number of options as Gay Men, and Gay Women.  So we weren't the only ones to get a shorter end of the stick

[daveliam]

I am right there with you in not being thrilled with the romance options straight men got in DA:I

 

but that said, we got the same number of options as Gay Men, and Gay Women.  So we weren't the only ones to get a shorter end of the stick

 

Yeah, 'straight guys' didn't 'get shafted' when it comes to numbers.  They got the same number of options as both of the previous games, as well as the same number of options as gay men, lesbians, and straight lady dwarves/qunari.

 

But I can certainly understand feeling like the options that they were given weren't great.  While I personally think that Cassandra seemed badass (not great enough for me to roll a straight guy, mind you), I can see why she's not everyone's preference.  Josephine, I can certainly understand not finding appealing because she was unappealing enough for me to have my dwarf bail on her part way through the romance and go with Blackwall instead.  I wasn't thrilled with either of my DA2 options, either, so I can appreciate having to 'make do' with the options that you get and hope that the next game is better.