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[ZombiePopper]

Same here...I have this headcanon Shepard is terrible at any kind of romantic interaction, both in flirting and understanding romantic interactions, (so I can headcanon she never had anything different from a dinner with Kelly. She really thought Kelly was there to eat, and not doing anything different, like the entire game make it sound. Anything to have the fish alive!!!) and she thought Garrus was flirting while talking about the Turian lady, so she end up flirting "back" in a terrible way.

Hells yes, those damn fish are expensive!
I liked chambers and getting my fish back from her in ME3 was icing on the cake.
My Shep's were as good at flirting as they were at dancing....

[Treacherous J Slither]

I'll tell you what would do it for me:

The option to play a very hot porno mini game whenever I visited my love interest.

[katamuro]

I'll tell you what would do it for me:

The option to play a very hot porno mini game whenever I visited my love interest.

 

just imagine the screaming that those groups that were protesting ME1 would go into if they found out. 

[Panda]

just imagine the screaming that those groups that were protesting ME1 would go into if they found out. 

 

I don't really think Bioware should give even one thought to Fox news.. nor anyone who has brains still intact should.

[Kmaru]

I don't really think Bioware should give even one thought to Fox news.. nor anyone who has brains still intact should.

 

I don't think they do. But EA is a different thing.

[Feybrad]

I'll tell you what would do it for me:

The option to play a very hot porno mini game whenever I visited my love interest.

 

Even if that's probably not serious, I'm pretty sure, there'll be some People who will take this Post as Evidence to maling People who care about the Romances.

[Degrees1991]

Try not to be biased I know they wanted us to pick Liara or Miranda. To this day I never romanced Miranda.

But yeah be balanced.

[HuldraDancer]

Less strange flirts would be nice too, I always end up feeling super creepy when trying to get Kelly to feed my fish for me and FShep talking like she's waiting for the roofie she slipped Jacob to kick in keeps me from talking to him at all, also have some problem with Thane too but that's more of when the flirts come up I think in that case. So less creepyish and poorly timed flirts would be nice, heck maybe even have a few LIs that flirt first? I mean if it fits them that is.

[daveliam]

Try not to be biased I know they wanted us to pick Liara or Miranda. To this day I never romanced Miranda.

But yeah be balanced.

 

This is kind of what I was getting at earlier.  It just feels like some of the LI's get more of a focus than others and it complicates things when there are so many others because most of them get short shrifted.  And, unfortunately, most of the Bioware games are guilty of this.  Outside of the BG2 and NWN romances, the only game that isn't really guilty of this is DA2.  It's another reason I'd rather see fewer but well-developed options than more options with some that less developed than others.

[Lady Artifice]

They are all characters you don't have to recruit though and story will play out completely same without them. Isabela and Anders are only one's really connected to main plot, Isabela the reason behind Arishok's presence and Anders responsible of the ending. Fenris isn't connected to main quests at all other than his dialogue.. but every character has dialogue.

 

I'm not sure we're really debating the same thing. I'm just saying that characters who have a significant role in the story get more spotlight than those that don't have one, and more spotlight generally means more memorable involvement. That's my whole angle, definitely not bashing the characters who don't get that. In fact, I really liked Leliana and Zevran's romance arcs and played them through several times. I just would have been even more happy if they had even more significant story focus. I'm adopting a bit of a more is better mentality here, content wise. 

 

I don't mean to be obtuse, but the idea that it would be preferable for the LI to have less of a significant amount of spotlight is just going over my head. 

[Panda]

I'm not sure we're really debating the same thing. I'm just saying that characters who have a significant role in the story get more spotlight than those that don't have one, and more spotlight generally means more memorable involvement. That's my whole angle, definitely not bashing the characters who don't get that. In fact, I really liked Leliana and Zevran's romance arcs and played them through several times. I just would have been even more happy if they had even more significant content. I'm adopting a bit of a more is better mentality here. 

 

I don't mean to be obtuse, but the idea that it would be preferable for the LI to have less of a significant amount of spotlight is just going over my head. 

 

I fail to understand what you mean as significant content here. Is it something subjective cause I assumed you and Dave meant content that is connected to main story: important characters that the game couldn't be without. And what I listed aren't characters like that even if they are loved, some more than others. But if you mean significant content.. well to me there has been that with romances that are my fav one's. Zevran's speech before going to battle: how he would storm into dark city itself to be on your side, earring scene with him and him falling love and him choosing you over crows and his former friend/lover.

 

I just fail to understand what you mean with significant content. Cause of course I love having content with LI I'm romancing, more the better, but I don't think it needs to be related to main story itself. I assumed that you and Dave were talking about mainstory connections of romances, because I have seen people meaning that in terms of wanting to cut characters out of games if they aren't connected to main plot. But I guess I assumed wrongly then and you mean something else with content you felt was lacking.

[Killdren88]

Also would like the distinction between just being friendly and actual romantic interest. Felt weird playing femshep and just talking with Kaiden and out of nowhere asking if he was getting mixed messages.... it was there I decided to always sacrifice him over Ashley.

[Vaseldwa]

Like some have said, It would be nice to have LI's that tie into the main plot, and if we are in a relationship with them maybe it could alter how the story goes a bit. Oh random thought!, What if one of the LI's was the Antagonist (depending on what  and who the antagonist is) or a "minion" of the antagonist ???? I don't know how that would go but that's one way a LI can be tied into the plot, its just a thought.  

[Lady Artifice]

I fail to understand what you mean as significant content here. Is it something subjective cause I assumed you and Dave meant content that is connected to main story: important characters that the game couldn't be without. And what I listed aren't characters like that even if they are loved, some more than others. But if you mean significant content.. well to me there has been that with romances that are my fav one's. Zevran's speech before going to battle: how he would storm into dark city itself to be on your side, earring scene with him and him falling love and him choosing you over crows and his former friend/lover.

 

I just fail to understand what you mean with significant content. Cause of course I love having content with LI I'm romancing, more the better, but I don't think it needs to be related to main story itself. I assumed that you and Dave were talking about mainstory connections of romances, because I have seen people meaning that in terms of wanting to cut characters out of games if they aren't connected to main plot. But I guess I assumed wrongly then and you mean something else with content you felt was lacking.

 

No, you're right. I was talking about characters who are more linked to the main story. I'm suggesting that the potential for dramatic focus is higher, and that this potential appeals to me. I'd probably use Thane as the example there. I like that character too, but I think his particular arc suffered in ME3, because they just didn't really have the time. Zevran's story has also been a bit neglected in comparison to the other potential Origins LIs, for reasons that make perfect sense. He might be dead several times over, and I think he was statistically the least pursued romance of that game. 

 

In addition to spotlight, characters who are inextricably tied to the main story have more job security, so to speak. 

[KaiserShep]

Also would like the distinction between just being friendly and actual romantic interest. Felt weird playing femshep and just talking with Kaiden and out of nowhere asking if he was getting mixed messages.... it was there I decided to always sacrifice him over Ashley.

 

Lol. Let that be a lesson to all you lovelorn space marines out there. You better read your signals right, or you're gonna get nuked. 

[Lady Artifice]

Like some have said, It would be nice to have LI's that tie into the main plot, and if we are in a relationship with them maybe it could alter how the story goes a bit. Oh random thought!, What if one of the LI's was the Antagonist (depending on what  and who the antagonist is) or a "minion" of the antagonist ???? I don't know how that would go but that's one way a LI can be tied into the plot, its just a thought.  

 

A Loghain-esque character with a complicated motivation to oppose the protagonist, maybe. If you can beat them, you have the option to recruit them. Maybe something more comes of it. I love that idea. 

[Salarian Master Race]

it should have salarian females

 

they have reach AND flexibility

[Panda]

No, you're right. I was talking about characters who are more linked to the main story. I'm suggesting that the potential for dramatic focus is higher, and that this potential appeals to me. I'd probably use Thane as the example there. I like that character too, but I think his particular arc suffered in DA3, because they just didn't really have the time. Zevran's story has also been a bit neglected in comparison to the other potential Origins LIs, for reasons that make perfect sense. He might be dead several times over, and I think he was statistically the least pursued romance of that game. 

 

In addition to spotlight, characters who are inextricably tied to the main story have more job security, so to speak. 

 

But Fenris isn't linked to main story at all. And Thane did have quite lot content before he died, more than Samara and Kasumi for example.. I don't think Zevran was that neglected compared to others in terms of romance content either, that's why I said it could be subjective.

 

I guess you are right about security in terms of having more reappearances, Zevran was only one who didn't appear in DAI in flesh from the team, which was sad though he did have wartable mission. But in other hand although Leliana had less content in DAO also- well I'm not sure I agree, but she was mentioned- she has been in couple of the books, dlc and in major role that is very connected  to plot in DAI. Anders for example is forgotten in DAI so being tied to mainplot doesn't always bring job security.

[Larry-3]

Each person has a different taste in romance. I like bad vixens, with long legs, and long hair. They have to get on top of me and dominate me. Break the ice is always nice, too.

I am sure other people would like different romance stories.

My best tip would be to diversify the love interest options.

[Lady Artifice]

But Fenris isn't linked to main story at all. And Thane did have quite lot content before he died, more than Samara and Kasumi for example.. I don't think Zevran was that neglected compared to others in terms of romance content either, that's why I said it could be subjective.

 

I guess you are right about security in terms of having more reappearances, Zevran was only one who didn't appear in DAI in flesh from the team, which was sad though he did have wartable mission. But in other hand although Leliana had less content in DAO also- well I'm not sure I agree, but she was mentioned- she has been in couple of the books, dlc and in major role that is very connected  to plot in DAI. Anders for example is forgotten in DAI so being tied to mainplot doesn't always bring job security.

 

I mean, fair enough? I feel like we're quibbling a little. I'm not really trying to make a big point, and I never meant to make any empirical claim that an intrinsic role in the main story was a major defining factor in a good romance arc, just that it can generally boost the character's spotlight.

[Gothfather]

I'd like the romances to stop being made as if there were made by teenage boys where the reward is sex. I can't speak for the other adults in the room but sex has almost never been the 'end' reward of any relationship other than a one night stand. Most of the relationship happen post becoming sexually active with your partner not before in my experience yet in the world of bioware its no sex till late in the game then its have sex and the romance arc is over. WTF? What relationship is like that?

 

Sex usually doesn't happen months after you start a romance in my experience except when I was a teenage boy and sex did feel like it was the end reward. As an adult sex happens pretty early on in a relationship and its not a one time thing.

 

As for this idea that we should have romances without sex??? Really what strange world are people living in? As adults sex is pretty damn important for compatibility. I can't see myself investing months and months with someone and not knowing if we are sexually compatible and i don't know any ADULT on a personal level that has been dating someone for months without having sex (excluding long distance relationships.)

 

I am not advocating sex for sex sake only that as an adult my experience with relationships is that sex is something adults usually have within the first month of dating. And its not the long drawn out process that is presented as the reward for this relationship. It is in fact an activity that adults continue to engage in as their relationship both matures and in some case falters. I am not advocating a repeatable sex scene as there is no need but for the love of god stop making the reward for pursuing X relationship arc equals sex with said person and then the romance pretty much ends.

 

When I think of ME1 I think the biggest mistake of the story was that the sex scene happened on the way to Ilos and not on the way to Virmire. Imagine the Virmire choice if you had Romance Ashley or Kaidan? Imagine going to your cabin in ME2 and seeing a picture of your LI and knowing that they were dead because of the choice you made in ME1 or knowing they were alive because you let that effect your command decisions. And imagine if you heard comments of people wondering if your choice on virmire was made purely based on the tactical situation or if your relationship condemned a crew member to die? All this great material is LOST because Bioware treats sex like a reward for exploring romance content.

 

I'd like to see NPCs that are not under your command to be Romance options. Far too often in Bioware you are the "Boss" sleeping with your "employees." How about most romance options be non crew members non squad mates?

 

I want ADULT stories, mature stories not teenage stories. Part of adult experiences is romance and they are not over after sex and there are consequences for romancing people under your command and that should be explored.

[Abelas Forever!]

About romances:
The amount of LIs aren't that important to me. I don't mind if there are like 4 LIs for male PCs and 2 LIs for female PCs. Although I think it's important to offer at least 2 options for everybody and that is accomplished when there is 2 bisexual male LIs and 2 bisexual female LIs. Although I think I might be happy if there was only 1 LI if I like that LI a lot. I was happy with ME1 even though there was only 1 LI for me and that was Kaidan. I said that there was only 1 LI for me because I'm not interested in romancing female LIs. I have been thinking about romancing female characters but for some reason I'm not interested in romancing them.

If ME:A is going to be a trilogy I think it would be a good idea to limit romance options in the beginning. I don't mind if there is less content for some LIs but I don't want that some of the romances are treated badly and I'm talking about Jacob and Thane romances. I don't want to see that happening again. I liked Thane romance very much even though he dies and usually I don't like those kind of romances but I could make a decision to romance him knowing that he will most likely die. Besides you can also die. But the problem with Thane romance was that there really wasn't much romantic content with him in ME3. There was only 1 kiss. That's not much. Anyway I think it might be a good idea to add more LIs along the trilogy. Not too much because I think too many LIs cause problems. If there is a Keep then it could be used to choose whether you romanced somebody in a previous game. That way people who didn't play the previous game could choose whether to continue a romance which started earlier or not. I'm not sure is it a good idea to let people romance LI who could have been romanced in a previous game as new romance because I think the romance is most likely different or at least there should be some changes in it whether it started earlier or it's just started. I'm trying to say that I rather see a new LI than the possibility to start a romance with an existing LI.

I also don't care if an LI is plot relevant. If the romance is good then it doesn't matter whether he affect the plot at any way. Although if the character is a plot relevant then I think there is more changes that the romances will fail and I'm talking about Alistair romance. So I guess I'm little a bit cautious what comes to plot relevant LIs.

[Battlebloodmage]

it should have salarian females

 

they have reach AND flexibility

I don't wanna romance something I can smack with a shoe. 

[Sir Froggie]

I don't wanna romance something I can smack with a shoe. 

Well, you can smack anything or anyone with a shoe.