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How could Mass Effect: Andromeda handle romance better than previous games?


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By not having them.


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Either marry your LI or the option for them to break up with you if you act like a douche to them or choosing too many options that they disagree with.


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I've heard bad things about how almost every romance option in Dragon Age inquisition is bi sexual. I think this is a bad idea, so having a good enough amount of options and not having people flip flop on their sexual preference should be a good thing.



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I've heard bad things about how almost every romance option in Dragon Age inquisition is bi sexual. I think this is a bad idea, so having a good enough amount of options and not having people flip flop on their sexual preference should be a good thing.

 

I think you are speaking about DA2, cause only one LI in DAI is bisexual.



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I think you are speaking about DA2, cause only one LI in DAI is bisexual.

To a lot of people, it's actually true since even with just one, it feels like almost everyone is bi. If someone you don't like it in the game, it stands out more. Not referring to the OP, but the people he heard it from. 



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i respectfully dont agree.... because its not realistic. not every person on earth can be bisexual/gay/straight or whatever, its not realistic, plus it would take away from them. i know it can be frustrating since you're limitid, plus i understand, being a straight female, i did NOT find any male LI interesting in DAI, at least to my taste. so i went with sera... thats not a bad thing, its just realistic. not everyone you meet can be attracted to you :) 



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To a lot of people, it's actually true since even with just one, it feels like almost everyone is bi. If someone you don't like it in the game, it stands out more. Not referring to the OP, but the people he heard it from. 

 

1 out of 8 LI's is not: "game is full of bisexual LI's!" though.


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1 out of 8 LI's is not: "game is full of bisexual LI's!" though.

Perception is what matters, similar to Ander hitting on you once/twice = lusting after you the entire game. As I said, those who don't like certain features will feel like it's more than what it is. They will exaggerate a certain feature. 

And I count 2 out of 8: Iron Bull and Josephine.



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Perception is what matters, similar to Ander hitting on you once/twice = lusting after you the entire game. As I said, those who don't like certain features will feel like it's more than what it is. They will exaggerate a certain feature. 

And I count 2 out of 8: Iron Bull and Josephine.

 

Well I remember Patrick Weekes saying that Bull is pansexual so I didn't count him, but I guess LI-option wise it doesn't make any change.



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Well I remember Patrick Weekes saying that Bull is pansexual so I didn't count him, but I guess LI-option wise it doesn't make any change.

I know. I doubt people who have problems with non-heteronormative would be too meticulous about it or even bother to learn or know. A lot of these terms don't even exist for most people in other countries outside the U.S or even outside the internet. As you said, LI-option wise, it doesn't make a different. 2 options of each sex can be romanced by both genders. Let's just keep it simple.



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Damn, I WISH more love interests in DAI had been bisexual lol!


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Personally I'd like them to go in a different direction.

I'm not a huge fan of the formulaic structure of Romances in Bioware games. 2 initial "getting to know you" conversations, followed by character specific side quest, followed by 2 "confirming the LI" conversations and finally followed by Romance scene prior to life or death mission.

Result = Happily Ever Afters for All.

It just feels a little tired, basic and a bit a bore to go through. I'd like to see genuine conflict and even tragedy introduced to the relationships between the characters. Traumas and tribulations that need to be overcome or simply can't be. Chances for real character development for the Player Character, the LI's and other NPC's

Character interaction + development are essentially the reasons I play Bioware games. And recently, I'm finding different companies doing a better job in these areas for me.

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By removing them and having interesting interactions instead of a bunch of sexuality checkboxes in some sort of love buffet.



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By not having them.

 

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LOL... that's radical.



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Personally I'd like them to go in a different direction.

I'm not a huge fan of the formulaic structure of Romances in Bioware games. 2 initial "getting to know you" conversations, followed by character specific side quest, followed by 2 "confirming the LI" conversations and finally followed by Romance scene prior to life or death mission.

Result = Happily Ever Afters for All.

It just feels a little tired, basic and a bit a bore to go through. I'd like to see genuine conflict and even tragedy introduced to the relationships between the characters. Traumas and tribulations that need to be overcome or simply can't be. Chances for real character development for the Player Character, the LI's and other NPC's

Character interaction + development are essentially the reasons I play Bioware games. And recently, I'm finding different companies doing a better job in these areas for me.

 

I am not so sure, the few times they have had that people weren't too pleased. King Alistair leaving his non human girlfriend, Sera breaking up with you if you dont agree about elves, Jacob cheating, Thane Dying, even a bit Solas leaving.

 

And honestly, it is a romp, an adventure. Sci-fi action heroes get their lover. It just is a rule of trope and honestly? Drama is becoming a bit too much lately. The cry for realism has made a lot of shows I find far more draining than entertaining. Even corny superhero shows have turned into drama of dramaness where the characters can't even be recognized because it just had to be darkened up.

 

I honestly like a cornball romance. It suits the genre, romance isn't intense or required, its a side show. There seems little reasoning to have it be intense, especially because people get so into it due to often wanting romance, not a break up or tradgedy. Maybe tradgedy  can be a possibility rather than a requirement? As a lesbian, I really just don't want anymore tradgedy stories. its starting to change, and I like it that way.

 

I just have seen too many movies where, and then they died, and then they broke up, and then one of them committed suicide. I am good for a corny happily ever after


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I am not so sure, the few times they have had that people weren't too pleased. King Alistair leaving his non human girlfriend, Sera breaking up with you if you dont agree about elves, Jacob cheating, Thane Dying, even a bit Solas leaving.

And honestly, it is a romp, an adventure. Sci-fi action heroes get their lover. It just is a rule of trope and honestly? Drama is becoming a bit too much lately. The cry for realism has made a lot of shows I find far more draining than entertaining. Even corny superhero shows have turned into drama of dramaness where the characters can't even be recognized because it just had to be darkened up.

I honestly like a cornball romance. It suits the genre, romance isn't intense or required, its a side show. There seems little reasoning to have it be intense, especially because people get so into it due to often wanting romance, not a break up or tradgedy. Maybe tradgedy can be a possibility rather than a requirement? As a lesbian, I really just don't want anymore tradgedy stories. its starting to change, and I like it that way.

I just have seen too many movies where, and then they died, and then they broke up, and then one of them committed suicide. I am good for a corny happily ever after

I definitely get that (and also agree that darkness has gone a little over the top recently!) and perhaps I'm coming from the perspective of someone who's never seen the romances as a game breaker. Truthfully, I'd also agree that doing it my way would not go down well with a lot of fans for the reasons you mentioned. So it may not be the best idea for them to go down this route.

For me though, If these things are included in a game, I'd like to see a little more integration with the main plot line and for the relationships to evolve through the whole tale and not just in disconnected conversations. I guess I'm looking for opportunities to develop my characters in meaningful ways and I feel that most Bioware Romance Arcs don't do this particularly well. I actually really like the Alistair ditching in Origins for that reason. It allows the player to evolve their character in response to that difficult situation. Its features like that which draw me to these sorts of games as I feel you can develop complex PC's with complex motivations.
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And honestly, it is a romp, an adventure. Sci-fi action heroes get their lover. It just is a rule of trope and honestly? Drama is becoming a bit too much lately. The cry for realism has made a lot of shows I find far more draining than entertaining. Even corny superhero shows have turned into drama of dramaness where the characters can't even be recognized because it just had to be darkened up.

 

I honestly like a cornball romance. It suits the genre, romance isn't intense or required, its a side show. There seems little reasoning to have it be intense, especially because people get so into it due to often wanting romance, not a break up or tradgedy. Maybe tradgedy  can be a possibility rather than a requirement? As a lesbian, I really just don't want anymore tradgedy stories. its starting to change, and I like it that way.

 

I just have seen too many movies where, and then they died, and then they broke up, and then one of them committed suicide. I am good for a corny happily ever after

 

Do you realize you're ultimately shooting yourself in the foot by saying this sort of thing?

 

You're leaving yourself wide open for anyone who disagrees to smugly gloat over how immature and chlidish you are, how you can't appreciate a 'real' story, and that you're indulging in a silly fantasy to escape from how mean and miserable the world is.

 

It's a dead end.



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It just feels a little tired, basic and a bit a bore to go through. I'd like to see genuine conflict and even tragedy introduced to the relationships between the characters. Traumas and tribulations that need to be overcome or simply can't be. Chances for real character development for the Player Character, the LI's and other NPC's

Character interaction + development are essentially the reasons I play Bioware games. And recently, I'm finding different companies doing a better job in these areas for me.

 

Just play a straight female character. Sorry if I sound bitter, but I am  :( . Everytime I see people wanting more sad romances, I ask myself if they know there are already many sad/depressing/dramatic/purely banal and horribly written romances, but are all restrained to straight female protagonists.

 

I'm all to spread the depressing romances to straight males too. But the last time BioWare did it had to make an entire DLC just to make the happy ending of the romance possible.

 

I'm quite frankly tired of having to metagame to have a non depressing romance in a BioWare game (since I prefer playng straight female characters). I'd like the male LI having the same treatmant of the female ones. So no cheating, no inavoidable death (death of female LI is always result of a choice, after the only time in NWN), no past lover/children or identity.

There is a motivation Cullen's romance is so popular with female players: I think a fluffy romance without leaving/cheating/death/impregnating another woman/dead loved one that oh-I-was-so-much-in-love-with-her (all the exes of female Li were or really awful people, or not really of romantic interest for the LI. While male LI had always great dead spouses that they loved dearly), plus good looking LI is something that is almost a miracle for many that like to play straight female character.


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Do you realize you're ultimately shooting yourself in the foot by saying this sort of thing?
 
You're leaving yourself wide open for anyone who disagrees to smugly gloat over how immature and chlidish you are, how you can't appreciate a 'real' story, and that you're indulging in a silly fantasy to escape from how mean and miserable the world is.
 
It's a dead end.


Do you realize how much this seems like a cheap, sly way to call her those things yourself?
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A Krogan romance.



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People who can't imagine an intercourse scene between femshep and garrus:

 

http://efleck.devian...ights-271535172

 

Very classy.

 

PREVIEW

 

shepard_and_garrus___midnight_by_efleck-


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Do you realize how much this seems like a cheap, sly way to call her those things yourself?

 

The underhand. It burns. 



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The underhand. It burns.


And comes off as conspicuous from someone who touts the virtues of traditional, straightforward, masculinity as often as he does. Last time I checked that didn't mean "be as passive aggressive as possible."
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Often BW romances lead up to a sex scene near the end of the game followed by pretty much nothing. I'd rather have the sex occur earlier in the game and have some nonsexual intimate conversations later on. The opportunity to have sex with the LI more than once, even if it occurs off-screen (not animated) would also be nice. Ad lib "tent time" with Alistair in DA:O  was a nice feature that made the relationship seem like it was ongoing/developing rather than being shelved after one night.



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Often BW romances lead up to a sex scene near the end of the game followed by pretty much nothing. I'd rather have the sex occur earlier in the game and have some nonsexual intimate conversations later on. The opportunity to have sex with the LI more than once, even if it occurs off-screen (not animated) would also be nice. Ad lib "tent time" with Alistair in DA:O  was a nice feature that made the relationship seem like it was ongoing/developing rather than being shelved after one night.

 

To be fair, that's really only a thing on the Mass Effect side. None of the Dragon Age games follow that pattern.