To be fair, that's really only a thing on the Mass Effect side. None of the Dragon Age games follow that pattern.
True enough, but this thread is asking for suggestions to improve Mass Effect romances. I did think DA:O handled romances quite well. Perhaps I should have been more specific.
Do you realize how much this seems like a cheap, sly way to call her those things yourself?
And comes off as conspicuous from someone who touts the virtues of traditional, straightforward, masculinity as often as he does. Last time I checked that didn't mean "be as passive aggressive as possible."
I'm not going to be direct because none of those criticisms are correct. They aren't coming from me. So...if you have a better way of phrasing such things? Those are exactly the kind of responses you're going to encounter with that line of thought.
To be fair, that's really only a thing on the Mass Effect side. None of the Dragon Age games follow that pattern.
As a straight male who played DA:I, I completely disagree. I feel like we got shafted pretty hard.
I support this.
I think it would be awesome if you could romance minor characters which then become major characters through the fact that you've romanced them.
I'll tell you how, abandon the "We must cater our romances to every gender and sexual preference" approach, and cut the romances down to only a couple characters, and have the romance integrate with the story. Bastila Shan is a good example of how a romance can be relevant to a story.
Because now Bioware has set this precedent that they now have to cater to everyone's tastes when it comes to romance, and if they forget someone then they're bigots. Romances in Bioware games have become a check list, rather than something that feels special to the story. Some of the romances in Dragon Age: Inquisition were cute and all, but they felt completely inconsequential to the story. That right there is the issue for me.
See the title. This is a thread for suggestions and discussions. No being rude, no bashing others for their opinions, please.
I know some people would rather romance be taken out altogether, but I think it can really help with immersion at times. I'm fine with playing a single character sometimes, but I enjoy playing the romances. I am a sappy person and I know it. I love to gush about the romances. Still, I think they could be done better in ME:A than they were in the previous Mass Effect games.
My personal suggestions:
- Equal numbers of romances, beginning to end, for male and female player character. At least one option each for gay and lesbian player characters as well.
- Limit the number of romance options. If the series follows one protagonist, allow romances to begin mid-series with the "base" romances from the first game. If not, then you can have brand new romances every game and no one's going to mind that too much. This is not an "I hate variety" thing, but a matter of practicality. The ME games didn't usually have a huge variety of squadmates, so not all of them should be romanceable. Also, they tended to carry forward as cameos etc. to the next game. Limiting the number means we can have them as party members in every game, or at least that there won't be an overwhelming amount of possible LIs to deal with without mistreating certain groups of players in the final game.
- If this is a series, rather than a single game, romances should build on the relationship through time, through ups and downs. This happened in ME1-3 with Kaidan, Liara, and Ashley. Also with Garrus and Tali. I was one of those weird ladies who romanced Garrus and couldn't get enough because I LOVED how that story played out, and it was because it took time to build it. Characters like Jack, Miranda, Thane, and Jacob didn't get the same kind of development, because they showed up later. It's better if we can let everyone romance a character who's been around from the beginning.
- Only add as many romances as you're willing to deal with in the final game of the series.
- It is very much not okay to take options away from straight women or LGBT people, while still leaving straight males with all of their options.
- If Andromeda is going to be a trilogy, don't add romances in the third game. Stick with the previous games' romances, and build from there.
- Allow players to start a romance with characters they chose not to romance in a previous game. This can happen even in the final game. To be frank that is probably realistic, because when things get rough, well... you're going to be looking for comfort.
- The final scene shouldn't always be sex. If there's sex, when it happens should depend on the character you're romancing. Some might sleep with you right away, others midway through, still others not until the final moments. And a few might not want to have sex at all.
- Let players discuss marriage and family with their LIs. Even if the response, from either the player or the LI, or both, is "I don't ever want that," it's an important discussion. We're not talking about having kids running around the ship in-game. Just let characters think about the future a bit, and where their relationships are going. You know, kind of like real people who are dating might do after a while.
- Breakups and deaths of LIs are fine if that needs to be part of their story, however, unavoidable breakups and deaths of LIs and/or betrayals should not ONLY happen to the female player character. If it has to happen as part of the story, let the men experience it too. If it's believed that the players of male characters will suffer too much heartbreak from this, or that it is horrible in some way because a female LI might suffer or die, then please consider that it is not much fun for most of the players of the female characters either and that it's equally horrible when male LIs suffer and die. If the player's suffering/heartbreak is a concern preventing this from happening to male PCs, just don't do it at all. Players of female PCs get seriously unhappy about these things, too (and when it's almost always us it happens to, it gets pretty old and loses its impact as a plot device).
Off the top of my head that's all I can think of. Obviously others are free to disagree, make other suggestions, discuss, etc. That's what this thread is for. Someone may have way better ideas than I did.
This right here, in all honesty, is why people like David Gaider got sick of romances. It's unnecessary stress that the writers created for themselves. These guys want to craft a great game and a great story, but because of these type of fans, there's always that elephant in the writing room that the writers know at some point they're gonna have to address.
I cannot for life of me imagine that they enjoy doing this.
I don't remember if I already said this, but the biggest thing where romance could improve from ME1-3 would be to have more room within the romance than always just having to pick romance dialogue when it pops up. That doesn't leave lot of room to roleplay and play your character as you want, it'd be nice to at least have multiple options and/or not having to pick romance dialogue everytime in order to continue romance.
I just recently started playing the Mass Effect games after having them recommended by friends.
I must say I'm pretty disappointed with the romancing options for gay men in the games. Though I see that they've made some improvements as the games went on.
Above all I would like to have a chance to romance alien races. I know someone on here said they didn't want any alien romances at all. But it really sucks to not have the experience to romance alien races if you're playing as a gay male. I know technically the Asari romance options are neither gender but I'm more thinking of Turians, since I'm bummed out I can't romance Garrus without a mod.
Please Bioware give me some gay male Turian to romance.
I am not in favour of making the romances any more complicated than they are now. I thought how DA:I did it was fine, both the romance and the friends path were done fairly well though I felt there was too much cheesy dialogue so if they improved on that I'd approve. Also, I approved of DA:I not resorting to having everyone playersexual/bisexual and would like to see that to continue as well.
Personally, I think Cullen was a good example of the pace of a romance. As much as I felt his romance was too sappy, they did do a good job with him. I'll give em that.
I'm up for one of my squad mates being shallow and having sex for a while and then we actually build a relationship
Like Isabela from DA2?
I'm up for one of my squad mates being shallow and having sex for a while and then we actually build a relationship
So Isabela? Totally agree with you.
I just recently started playing the Mass Effect games after having them recommended by friends.
I must say I'm pretty disappointed with the romancing options for gay men in the games. Though I see that they've made some improvements as the games went on.
Above all I would like to have a chance to romance alien races. I know someone on here said they didn't want any alien romances at all. But it really sucks to not have the experience to romance alien races if you're playing as a gay male. I know technically the Asari romance options are neither gender but I'm more thinking of Turians, since I'm bummed out I can't romance Garrus without a mod.
Please Bioware give me some gay male Turian to romance.
Garrus is straight as stick in his ass.
No more "canon" romances please? I'd prefer players to have same amount of main events without need to romance someone. I know some people love to have heart broken by bald people (looking at you, Solas), but I don't like it. Romances should be something nice to have around but don't make people feel like they need them. :>
One thing I would like to see is having bisexual LI having a different approach to the protagonist based on his/her gender. Like having a bisexual male LI be more receptive to a male character flirt if he have a preference for males.
Zevran like one gender more then other don't remember witch I not romance him, people went crazy "OH it disgusting and offensive" 
Everyone is a critic.
No more "canon" romances please? I'd prefer players to have same amount of main events without need to romance someone. I know some people love to have heart broken by bald people (looking at you, Solas), but I don't like it. Romances should be something nice to have around but don't make people feel like they need them. :>
I thing exactly opposite, Romance should add to main plot not just be filer. This is why Liara, Morrigan, Alistar, Isabela, Anders, Solas romances are best.
Zevran like one gender more then other don't remember witch I not romance him, people went crazy "OH it disgusting and offensive"
Zevran seems to like women more. What people don't like is that he seems to imply that he's into men as well, cause his assassin training required it.
I thing exactly opposite, Romance should add to main plot not just be filer. This is why [I think] Liara, Morrigan, Alistar, Isabela, Anders, Solas romances are best.
I'm up for one of my squad mates being shallow and having sex for a while and then we actually build a relationship
On the flipside it might be interesting to have that character go the other route, and not be interested in anything more serious with the main character. Or having a definition of what that means that is different from most.
As much as liked Isabela as a character, one of the flaws with her writing I thought in DA2 is that Hawke could turn her into a housewife. It was out of character and only there to avoid backlash among players who had Hawke pursue her as a LI. If Isabela was a character in a movie or a book, she'd remain someone who wasn't big on monogamy.
On the flipside it might be interesting to have that character go the other route, and not be interested in anything more serious with the main character. Or having a definition of what that means that is different from most.
I may be way off-base since I haven't tried it first hand, but doesn't Iron Bull fit that description?
How could Mass Effect: Andromeda handle romance better than previous games?
There's no Tali as LI so it can't.
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