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[Malleficae]

Sorry, I don't see what you mean here.  I literally can't understand what you're trying to say.  

 

Cullen and Josie were both high ranking members of the Inquisition, yes.  In fact, until the announcement, they outranked the Inquisitor.  It's been stated in-game that the Inquisition couldn't really function without Josie, Cullen and Lelaian.

 

How would that make the romance less than the protagonist?

 

I mean in ME only non-squadmates romances were crew of ship, pretty much meaningless NPCs and in DAI we had NPCs equal to Inquisitor, they had close amount of power as our protag did.

[Grieving Natashina]

I mean in ME only non-squadmates romances were crew of ship, pretty much meaningless NPCs and in DAI we had NPCs equal to Inquisitor, they had close amount of power as our protag did.

Okay.  So what you're saying is if there is NPC romances, you don't want them to be lower rank than the player.  Like hooking up with the yeoman or the shuttle pilot.  Okay, that's fair.  Some folks felt uncomfortable hooking up with the VR due to a breach of rank protocol.  Until ME3, both Ashley and Kaidan were both lower rank than Shepard was.  

 

I'm completely down for that then.  

[Schmonozov]

This thread lol

[Grieving Natashina]

 

I don't think that they were trying to say that - on that contrary, I think they wanted to say Josie and Cullen worked because they did have Power. Unlike Samantha and Cortez, who were Underlings, lesser in Power than the Player Character.

 

Yeah, I got into that in my next post.     I agree with Lynx on that front too.  It didn't bother me, but after DA:I I prefer someone that's closer to the same level of rank and/or power for the NPC romances.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True, but that still probably leaves 4 LIs, which for smaller squads seems kinda high, especially if you've got non-companion ones going on too. I guess you could have more than 2 non-companion LIs, but I get the impression that they're still considered not the equal of companion LIs by many fans, even if I think they can be good.

Not really. Around hal the companions being LIs is the norm for Mass Effect games. In ME1, 3 of the 6 companions were LIs, in ME2 6 of the 10(12 with DLC) were LIs, and in ME3 it got tricky since your roster could be smaller due to character deaths but the usual roster had 2 of the 6 be LIs, with 2 more being LIs if you imported a save involving romancing them in ME2 for a total of 4 of the 6(7 with DLC). So 4 out of 7 being LIs in MEA would be on par with the reat of the franchise.

 

And yeah, they could have 3 be companions and 3 be important NPCs. I think Cullen and Josephine having as much content as the companion LIs helped shift that view of NPC LIs not being "true LIs". 

[themikefest]

I mean in ME only non-squadmates romances were crew of ship, pretty much meaningless NPCs and in DAI we had NPCs equal to Inquisitor, they had close amount of power as our protag did.

I wouldn't call Samantha's romance meaningless

[Grieving Natashina]

I wouldn't call Samantha's romance meaningless

I wouldn't call it meaningless either.  Sam's awesome and I love her friendship.  

[Feybrad]

I wouldn't call Samantha's romance meaningless

 

That's not what they were saying - instead, I suppose they meant that Samantha was pretty much meaningless outside of her Romance, in the greater Context (to an even bigger extent than Cortez, who had more Interactions with you and the Squad as the Shuttle Pilot taking you to a few Missions).

[9TailsFox]

True, but that still probably leaves 4 LIs, which for smaller squads seems kinda high, especially if you've got non-companion ones going on too. I guess you could have more than 2 non-companion LIs, but I get the impression that they're still considered not the equal of companion LIs by many fans, even if I think they can be good.

After Josephine romance in DA:I I don't want non-companion romance at all. I don't know about Cullen a lot of people are happy so maybe he have more content, or just better done.

[Panda]

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I don't disagree with you. I simply don't think that romances like this should be cut-down completely or are worse than other romances. It depends on writing.

[Grieving Natashina]

That's not what they were saying - instead, I suppose they meant that Samantha was pretty much meaningless outside of her Romance, in the greater Context (to an even bigger extent than Cortez, who had more Interactions with you and the Squad as the Shuttle Pilot taking you to a few Missions).

That sounds pretty accurate, and better than my idea.  

[Feybrad]

After Josephine romance in DA:I I don't want non-companion romance at all. I don't know about Cullen a lot of people are happy so maybe he have more content, or just better done.

 

That's your Opinion, Man. I absolutely adored Josephine and her Romance, I even think it's the best o all the Romances for several Reasons, as it embraces many classic Romance Tropes and executes them very nicely. Secondly, because it is absolutely upbeat, cheerful and idealistic and that's just great. And last but not least because it only implied Sex and we didn't see her naked. That's a positive, because I like Subltety and find it classier than full-on Nudity. Personal Opinion.

 

Her Romance was Proof to me that non-Companion LI's could definitely work.

[themikefest]

That's not what they were saying - instead, I suppose they meant that Samantha was pretty much meaningless outside of her Romance, in the greater Context (to an even bigger extent than Cortez, who had more Interactions with you and the Squad as the Shuttle Pilot taking you to a few Missions).

I can say the same about the squadmates. What did they do outside of their romances?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's not what they were saying - instead, I suppose they meant that Samantha was pretty much meaningless outside of her Romance, in the greater Context (to an even bigger extent than Cortez, who had more Interactions with you and the Squad as the Shuttle Pilot taking you to a few Missions).

Samantha wasn't meaningless out of her romance though. She does a lot of things. She discovers Grissom Academy is under attack, she discovers the distress call from the ex-Cerberus scientists, she comforts Shepard after Tuchanka if Garrus isn't around, and she tracks Kai Leng to Horizon, and in the Citadel DLC she helps you get into the Normandy.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Samantha wasn't meaningless out of her romance though. She does a lot of things. She discovers Grissom Academy is under attack, she discovers the distress call from the ex-Cerberus scientists, she comforts Shepard after Tuchanka if Garrus isn't around, and she tracks Kai Leng to Horizon, and in the Citadel DLC she helps you get into the Normandy.

I romanced Sam on two of my playthroughs, and while I get where you're coming from, she's sometimes felt as more of a plot device than someone actively contributing as a romantic partner.  I confess I adored the toothbrush scene though.   But still, she reports to you "stuff is happening!" but isn't really part of "stuff" itself.  That makes it harder to take her seriously as a "full LI"

[Feybrad]

I can say the same about the squadmates. What did they do outside of their romances?

 

In ME3? Plenty of Things, actually. You have played the Game. You know that. I will not waste all our Time listing them.

 

Samantha wasn't meaningless out of her romance though. She does a lot of things. She discovers Grissom Academy is under attack, she discovers the distress call from the ex-Cerberus scientists, she comforts Shepard after Tuchanka if Garrus isn't around, and she tracks Kai Leng to Horizon, and in the Citadel DLC she helps you get into the Normandy.

 

You are right, it is a fallacy to discard her as totally meaningless out of her Romance, I was simply trying to interpret what someone else said. HOWEVER: I am pretty sure she has the least Interactions with Shepard and the other Companions and out of all Love Interests is the one most removed from the main Plot. I might be wrong and a certain Amount of it surely depends on Interpretation, but I am confident that many will agree with me on this.

 

I am discounting the Citadel DLC from this, as it... is a special Case in Regards to that. And even there, she appears relatively late, after all others.

[Larry-3]

Please elaborate further, because I think the last thing this series needs is more rewarding of the bipolar morality.

If a girl likes guys who are a**holes, only guys who are renegades could use the flirt option successfully; if a girl likes guys who are sweet and overly nice, only paragons could could flirt successfully. If a guy is to nice he could get rejected in a humorous way, and in vice verse.

[Brass_Buckles]

If a girl likes guys who are a**holes, only guys who are renegades could use the flirt option successfully; if a girl likes guys who are sweet and overly nice, only paragons could could flirt successfully. If a guy is to nice he could get rejected in a humorous way, and in vice verse.

 

That's precisely what I don't want.

 

I think if characters are gated by your personality/choices, it should be more specific things.  For instance, say you wanted to romance an alien, but during a mission pertinent to that character's species, you chose to do something that caused them harm.  That character would refuse to have anything to do with you, and it would have little to do with whether you were paragon or renegade.  Maybe acting against the aliens was actually the paragon choice.  Maybe they were doing something that needed stopping.

 

Characters should be more complex than full-on "if you're paragon/renegade I don't like you."  But they also shouldn't just agree with absolutely everything the PC does, either.

[Wulfram]

Not really. Around hal the companions being LIs is the norm for Mass Effect games. In ME1, 3 of the 6 companions were LIs, in ME2 6 of the 10(12 with DLC) were LIs, and in ME3 it got tricky since your roster could be smaller due to character deaths but the usual roster had 2 of the 6 be LIs, with 2 more being LIs if you imported a save involving romancing them in ME2 for a total of 4 of the 6(7 with DLC). So 4 out of 7 being LIs in MEA would be on par with the reat of the franchise.

True, 4 out of 7 wouldn't be out of line with previous installments of the series., but I rather felt that ME2 and ME3 had too romances.

[themikefest]

In ME3? Plenty of Things, actually. You have played the Game. You know that. I will not waste all our Time listing them.

But yet you're quick to say Samantha is meaningless outside of her romance. What squadmate can say they found  a distress call from Grissom? What squadmate can say they found some Cerberus scientists? You have played the game.

[GaroTD]

Damn it. Another thread that makes romances look like the most important part of Mass Effect. I really hope they just don't do any romances in ME:A...

[Panda]

Damn it. Another thread that makes romances look like the most important part of Mass Effect. I really hope they just don't do any romances in ME:A...

 

Why click on romance thread if it's not content you are intrested in?

[Feybrad]

But yet you're quick to say Samantha is meaningless outside of her romance. What squadmate can say they found  a distress call from Grissom? What squadmate can say they found some Cerberus scientists? You have played the game.

 

1. I didn't say it, I interpreted something someone else said (that she is totally meaningless). I also gave my own Opinion further up.

 

2. Okay, I will waste our Time.

 

Squadmate Love Interests in ME3 are Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Tali and Garrus, if I'm correct.

 

Ashley and Kaidan get you off Earth, accompany you throughout Mars, are injured there can be visisted several Times in the Hospital, are made the second human Spectre, can be killed during the Cerberus Raid protecting Udina, can be recruited. They are arguably tied with Tali as being the least involved of the one's I listed.

 

Liara meets you on Mars (is it her personally that discovered the Crucible? I can't remember), supplies you with Information throughout the whole Game as the Shadow Broker, interacts extensively with Javik, is even mandatory during the whole Thessia Disaster, creates the Beacon etc.

 

Tali is met late in the Game, but she is an Admiral of the Quarian Fleet, your most staunch Supporter throughout the whole Rannoch Arc, is mandatory to be taken on the Geth Dreadnaught, and she even has a potential Relationship with Garrus. She is tied with the Virmrie Survivor to be the least involved of the one's I listed.

 

Garrus is met on Palaven's Moon as the turian Advisor against Reapers, he has several exclusive Moments with Shepard throughout the game and is perhaps the Companion that interacts most with all the others, especially Tali, whom he can enter a Relationship with.

 

Furthermore, everyone of them can not only be talked with on the Normandy extensively, but also regularly met on the Citadel Hub for additional Conversations.

 

Please tell me you don't believe, Samantha is actually equally involved in the Game than they are. Because that would just be belligerent Bullshyte.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Yea, Garrus was my benchmark for LI activiity as he was my first and 'canon' LI for playthrough, comparing what I got out his romance with what I got out of Sam's?  Well... it's just no contest, sad to say.

[Kierro Ren]

Damn it. Another thread that makes romances look like the most important part of Mass Effect. I really hope they just don't do any romances in ME:A...

 

Then we'll have 296, 001 threads with "WHY NO ROMANCE!?"... Keep romance, and people who don't like em. Don't do it, just like real relationships. Do or not not.