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[Grieving Natashina]

Fey, please don't call someone's opinion "belligerent BS."   I know you disagree with mike, but let's all cool out okay.  

 

This was just a case of some miscommunication.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

especially Tali, whom he can enter a Relationship with.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

You didn't know?  If Garrus and Tali are friended but not romanced, they will end have having an available cut scene where Shep can walk in on the two of them, ahem... "together".

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You didn't know?  If Garrus and Tali are friended but not romanced, they will end have having an available cut scene where Shep can walk in on the two of them, ahem... "together".

Oh, I know. I'm no longer able to enjoy those romances because of that fact.

[wolfhowwl]

Oh, I know. I'm no longer able to enjoy those romances because of that fact.

 

Why?

[Grieving Natashina]

You didn't know?  If Garrus and Tali are friended but not romanced, they will end have having an available cut scene where Shep can walk in on the two of them, ahem... "together".

She knows.  She just doesn't like it if LIs hook up if the player doesn't romance them.  Like Tali and Garrus or Josie and Blackwall.  She can't enjoy the romances because that they will hook up with each other if they don't with the player.  I don't get it, but I'm not going to judge it.  We all have our weird quirks about the stories in BW games.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why?

Because those two are really sweet together, so I always feel awful when romancing one since it feels like I'm breaking up something nice. I know they aren't a couple at the time you can romance them, but still. 

[Larry-3]

That's precisely what I don't want.

I think if characters are gated by your personality/choices, it should be more specific things. For instance, say you wanted to romance an alien, but during a mission pertinent to that character's species, you chose to do something that caused them harm. That character would refuse to have anything to do with you, and it would have little to do with whether you were paragon or renegade. Maybe acting against the aliens was actually the paragon choice. Maybe they were doing something that needed stopping.

Characters should be more complex than full-on "if you're paragon/renegade I don't like you." But they also shouldn't just agree with absolutely everything the PC does, either.

Hmm... good point, Brass_Buckles. I had not though of it like that.

[themikefest]

1. I didn't say it, I interpreted something someone else said (that she is totally meaningless). I also gave my own Opinion further up.

Whether you interpreted from someone else's post or not, you were incorrect about Traynor not doing anything outside of her romance.
 

2. Okay, I will waste our Time.
 
Squadmate Love Interests in ME3 are Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Tali and Garrus, if I'm correct.
 
Ashley and Kaidan get you off Earth,

Wasn't that the Normandy that did that?
 

creates the Beacon etc.

Liara created a beacon? Never knew that.
 

Tali is met late in the Game, but she is an Admiral of the Quarian Fleet,

Of all the quarians, 17 000 000 of them, they make her one. Ha. In most of my playthrough that I have her in ME3, she isn't an Admiral
 

Garrus is met on Palaven's Moon as the turian Advisor against Reapers,

Didn't he go crying to his daddy who went and told the Primarach who gives Garrus that position? Why didn't he do that after the SR1 was destroyed?
 

Furthermore, everyone of them can not only be talked with on the Normandy extensively, but also regularly met on the Citadel Hub for additional Conversations.

So you're saying its the amount of content that a character has that makes them meaningful? 

 

Please tell me you don't believe, Samantha is actually equally involved in the Game than they are.

As far as content, no. But she is just as important as the others

 

 

[Feybrad]

Whether you interpreted from someone else's post or not, you were incorrect about Traynor not doing anything outside of her romance.

 

I corrected myself a few Posts before this even started, stating my actual Opinion. This is what I said:

Spoiler

You are right, it is a fallacy to discard her as totally meaningless out of her Romance, I was simply trying to interpret what someone else said. HOWEVER: I am pretty sure she has the least Interactions with Shepard and the other Companions and out of all Love Interests is the one most removed from the main Plot. I might be wrong and a certain Amount of it surely depends on Interpretation, but I am confident that many will agree with me on this.

 

I am discounting the Citadel DLC from this, as it... is a special Case in Regards to that. And even there, she appears relatively late, after all others.

 

Wasn't that the Normandy that did that?

 

...fine. They were there, They gave Shepard a Hand.

 

Liara created a beacon? Never knew that.

 

Beacon... yeah, whatever that Thingy is that records the Message for future Cycles. It features prominently in the Refusal Ending, I believe.

 

Of all the quarians, 17 000 000 of them, they make her one. Ha. In most of my playthrough that I have her in ME3, she isn't an Admiral

 

...so what?

 

Didn't he go crying to his daddy who went and told the Primarach who gives Garrus that position? Why didn't he do that after the SR1 was destroyed?

 

What does that matter to his Involvement in ME3?

 

So you're saying its the amount of content that a character has that makes them meaningful? 

 

Well, yes, actually. The more Content a Character has and the more that Content is connected to the main Story, the more meaningful he/she/it can be.

 

As far as content, no. But she is just as important as the others

 

Thank you. And for Importance... well that's Opinion. I for myself, have the Opinion that she could easily have been replaced by Kelly returning if she's alive, IF NOT for her Romance. You may have a different Opinion. That's fine.

[LisuPL]

There should be a possibility to interact in various ways with your LI on normal basis without having to "push the plot" forward to unlock further dialogue options, cut-scenes, activities ect.

 

It all made it feel like a "rail-romance" in previous ME games and in the end romances felt fake.

Of course there always has to be a limit what to do with an LI, but having something to actually to TALK ABOUT aside from "parental/family issues" and "mission updates"  would be great...

[themikefest]

Beacon... yeah, whatever that Thingy is that records the Message for future Cycles. It features prominently in the Refusal Ending, I believe.

The time capsule. I had nothing against the thing. I don't agree it's her telling Shepard's story to the next civilization since she wasn't with Shepard in the whole trilogy
 

...so what?

What experience does she have to be an Admiral? So what if she knows about the geth. That doesn't mean she has what it takes to be an Admiral.
 

What does that matter to his Involvement in ME3?

 A lot. Had he and the rest of the ME1 characters made an effort to find a way to stop the reapers after the SR1 was destroyed, the plans to the curcible may of been found or Javik may of been found. They chose to scatter like c**kroaches all over the galaxy doing nothing. They turned their back on Shepard and the galaxy. They never cared. They had the mentality that with Shepard being dead that the reaper threat is dead as well
 

Well, yes, actually. The more Content a Character has and the more that Content is connected to the main Story, the more meaningful he/she/it can be.

I don't agree
 
 

Thank you. And for Importance... well that's Opinion. I for myself, have the Opinion that she could easily have been replaced by Kelly returning if she's alive, IF NOT for her Romance. You may have a different Opinion. That's fine.

What exactly would Kelly be doing? She knows nothing about comms like Traynor does.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What exactly would Kelly be doing? She knows nothing about comms like Traynor does.

Having a psychologist on the Normandy during ME3 would have been helpful. Almost every crew member nearly breaks down at least once. 

But yeah, she couldn't replace Samantha since she isn't a communications specialist. 

[Feybrad]

What experience does she have to be an Admiral? So what if she knows about the geth. That doesn't mean she has what it takes to be an Admiral.
 

 A lot. Had he and the rest of the ME1 characters made an effort to find a way to stop the reapers after the SR1 was destroyed, the plans to the curcible may of been found or Javik may of been found. They chose to scatter like c**kroaches all over the galaxy doing nothing. They turned their back on Shepard and the galaxy. They never cared. They had the mentality that with Shepard being dead that the reaper threat is dead as well.

 

You are certainly right about those Things. However, this does not change the fact that the Position they were elevated into in ME3 enabled them to have a lot of Interaction with the Plot, Shepard and the other Characters on the Normandy.

 

What exactly would Kelly be doing? She knows nothing about comms like Traynor does.

 

Well, maybe she does but we didn't get to know that? Anyways, if someone had decided to bring Kelly back, I don't think anyone would have actually cared if she was able to get that same Information that Traynor gets. I'm just saying that she could have filled the same grander Role in the Game's actual Plot as Traynor. I am still glad they didn't do it, because I like Traynor actually more than Kelly. Something about not being a damn ****.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, maybe she does but we didn't get to know that? Anyways, if someone had decided to bring Kelly back, I don't think anyone would have actually cared if she was able to get that same Information that Traynor gets. I'm just saying that she could have filled the same grander Role in the Game's actual Plot as Traynor. I am still glad they didn't do it, because I like Traynor actually more than Kelly. Something about not being a damn ****.

Yes we do. Kelly tells us her skills when we talk to her.

What's the censored word? 

[Feybrad]

Yes we do. Kelly tells us her skills when we talk to her.

What's the censored word? 

 

Someone who sleeps around a lot. Possibly even with Varren. I was not being entirely serious.

[themikefest]

Having a psychologist on the Normandy during ME3 would have been helpful. Almost every crew member nearly breaks down at least once. 

But yeah, she couldn't replace Samantha since she isn't a communications specialist. 

She could've been on the ship except have her in the med bay. During the game have her  walking around the ship talking with folks making sure everything is ok

 

You are certainly right about those Things. However, this does not change the fact that the Position they were elevated into in ME3 enabled them to have a lot of Interaction with the Plot, Shepard and the other Characters on the Normandy.

The only interaction there is between Shepard and characters is if the player chooses to interact

[Nethershadow]

Wow all the emotional bliss in here is making my eyes bleed pink.

I want a good solid choice of a strong female just likethe best LI ever, Miranda!!! And she needs to be offered right from beginning.

*kicks a puppy

[Feybrad]

The only interaction there is between Shepard and characters is if the player chooses to interact

 

... I honestly don't know how to respond to this ...

[N7Jamaican]

I want the romances to feel like you're actually in a relationship with them.  Through out most of the games, you can hardly tell.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Someone who sleeps around a lot. Possibly even with Varren. I was not being entirely serious.

What a baseless accusation. Especially since she is the only LI in the Shepard Trilogy that doesn't necessarily have sex with Shepard.

As for the varren, you are referring to the scale itch thing right? Mordin saying "implications unpleasant" was referring to scale itch evolving to be transmitted by other means, like being airborne. The only way it could spread throughout the ship sexually is if everyone with it slept directly with a varren, since only varren can transmit it. 

 

She could've been on the ship except have her in the med bay. During the game have her  walking around the ship talking with folks making sure everything is ok

Yeah, that would have been nice. Though at least she is doing that for the refugees, who in all honesty need it more.

[Nethershadow]

Kelly chambers would be a waste of space on the Normandy. Traynor was vastly more useful and actually worth her space.

Chambers was in the best place she could be, helping the refugees.

[N7Jamaican]

Kelly chambers would be a waste of space on the Normandy. Traynor was vastly more useful and actually worth her space.

Chambers was in the best place she could be, helping the refugees.

 

Kelly was a waste. Only good for feeding the fish so I didn't have to.

[Feybrad]

What a baseless accusation. Especially since she is the only LI in the Shepard Trilogy that doesn't necessarily have sex with Shepard.

As for the varren, you are referring to the scale itch thing right? Mordin saying "implications unpleasant" was referring to scale itch evolving to be transmitted by other means, like being airborne. The only way it could spread throughout the ship sexually is if everyone with it slept directly with a varren, since only varren can transmit it.

 

You did read that Part about me not being serious, did you?

[q5tyhj]

How to make romance better? Krogan gangbang romance option.