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[Sartoz]

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Very interesting but does it really belong in an action-shooter-RPG game? I'm trying to be neutral in this discussion. 

 

First the hurdles.

Writers, if one recalls, have a limited word budget for the game, primarily due to cost, time..etc. Each character is allocated  1-2k lines of dialogue, which will be voiced. What is suggested is the re-arrangement of the slices in the pie. An increase in the romance slice  = a corresponding slice decrease elsewhere.  This fact must be understood for the discussion to move along because it's a gain something and give away something proposition.

 

Second what is a Mass Effect game?

No disrespect to the OP but while I love "where is the meat?" in the romance story arc, the Mass Effect series is slanted away from heavy romances.  Perhaps the question ought to be what is the target audience? The answer to that question should be a very good indicator of the type of romance (heavy or light) that can smoothly fit in the game.

 

Romancing in ME:A

Most of us look favorably towards a more involved more "meaty" relationships...more kissing scenes. This can be done. However, only at the expense of:

 

1. Increase the total word budget/cinematics = game cost increase in time, money, resources

2. Eliminate one or two romance options and give the recouped dialogue lines to the remaining romance(s).

3. Release additional romance dialogue in "story mode" difficulty if #1 is accepted. This allows one the option to choose "action" pacing vs "story" pacing = less or more romance.

 

Hopefully, the writers have woven a more intricate romance fabric in ME:A and somehow the Producer and Creative Director gave them the green light. But, I caution that Andromeda is the story about survival first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Heretic of Time]

ME:A should allow us to have casual sex with multiple characters without having to pursue a monogamous relationship. If we get that, then ME:A's romances will already be better in my books.

[K_O_513]

Polyamory. There's enough space dick to go around.

[Han Shot First]

Because those two are really sweet together, so I always feel awful when romancing one since it feels like I'm breaking up something nice. I know they aren't a couple at the time you can romance them, but still. 

 

 

They were friends with bennies, not soul mates. The dialogue implies they're just having a fling.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You did read that Part about me not being serious, did you?

Yes. That wasn't towards you specifically, but just the general notions that exist. 

 

They were friends with bennies, not soul mates. The dialogue implies they're just having a fling.

The dialogue implies they are attracted to each other. It never goes into how physical the relationship is or it just being a fling or friends with bennies.

[Han Shot First]

 

The dialogue implies they are attracted to each other. It never goes into how physical the relationship is or it just being a fling or friends with bennies.

 

 

"I guess its good to have something to come back to."

 

"What do you mean, 'to come back to?' This is just a fling, Vakarian. I'm using you for your body."

 

"You are so mean....and I'm okay with that."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"I guess its good to have something to come back to."

 

"What do you mean, 'to come back to?' This is just a fling, Vakarian. I'm using you for your body."

 

"You are so mean....and I'm okay with that."

Tali's voice was full of sarcasm when she says that. 

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Seeing The discussion of Tali and Garrus makes me think that I would actually like more things like that. I mean, I won't suggest that it should happen all the time with all the companions but if a companion, romancable or not can have a good chemistry with another member of the crew , it makes sense they would perhaps be together. It's a very common thing and would make things seem more real. Whether it be a serious relationship building up (I.E my take on Garrus and Tali would be their relationship would be come a real one) , a physical relationship (Isabela and Fenris come to mind), or an adorable crush (Blackwall and Josephine). As long as the people in question if they are a romance are not locked in one with PC, I think these are great addition and in my opinion makes the immersion a bit better. Healthy adults can and may take interest in each other!

As far as romances go, I think this is something Bioware can add because PC romances isn't the only one that might matter

[Jugger nuggss]

Seeing The discussion of Tali and Garrus makes me think that I would actually like more things like that. I mean, I won't suggest that it should happen all the time with all the companions but if a companion, romancable or not can have a good chemistry with another member of the crew , it makes sense they would perhaps be together. It's a very common thing and would make things seem more real. Whether it be a serious relationship building up (I.E my take on Garrus and Tali would be their relationship would be come a real one) , a physical relationship (Isabela and Fenris come to mind), or an adorable crush (Blackwall and Josephine). As long as the people in question if they are a romance are not locked in one with PC, I think these are great addition and in my opinion makes the immersion a bit better. Healthy adults can and may take interest in each other!
As far as romances go, I think this is something Bioware can add because PC romances isn't the only one that might matter

This. I heartily endorse this statement!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Seeing The discussion of Tali and Garrus makes me think that I would actually like more things like that. I mean, I won't suggest that it should happen all the time with all the companions but if a companion, romancable or not can have a good chemistry with another member of the crew , it makes sense they would perhaps be together. It's a very common thing and would make things seem more real. Whether it be a serious relationship building up (I.E my take on Garrus and Tali would be their relationship would be come a real one) , a physical relationship (Isabela and Fenris come to mind), or an adorable crush (Blackwall and Josephine). As long as the people in question if they are a romance are not locked in one with PC, I think these are great addition and in my opinion makes the immersion a bit better. Healthy adults can and may take interest in each other!

As far as romances go, I think this is something Bioware can add because PC romances isn't the only one that might matter

That would be one of the absolute worst things they could do. 

[HuldraDancer]

I like the idea of companions getting together with other people if the PC doesn't get with them does add to make them feel more like they have their own lives rather than waiting with baited breath for the protagonist to notice them. Not saying it should happen for every possible LI but I do like that idea to happen with some of the LIs. I mean after all if you want to romance LI A you can still do it, its not like LI A and LI B where in a relationship before hand and the protag comes along and breaks it up. All it really does strictly imo help make LI A and LI B feel a bit more real when you do a run without getting with either. Just my two cents on the idea though.

[Lee80]

I personally dislike the companion romances amongst themselves.  I know it makes sense, but you have to realize it takes up a portion of the allowed resources of both data and voice acting budget.  I'd rather those resources go towards more content for the PC's romance paths.  Just my personal opinion on it. 

[Steelcan]

I think that romances between squad mates could be handled well in a few situations, namely that none of those involved are possible romances for the PC

 

Second, that its a slow growing relationship that isn't thrown into the last minute.

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm ok with the 2-2-2 numbers. Not sure why they add 2 more options just for the same groups in DAI. I wasn't a fan of that. One of those option could have spread to other groups. It's basically straight males situation with ME3. They didn't learn anything from the LI distribution from ME3. It creates resentment, and especially for straight males who are not used to being given priorities.

 

Would love to see a gay alien like a turian or something.

 

I love the love scene. It gives the fulfillment for the story I personally want to tell. I like for that to continue. I wasn't a fan a Josie's lack of one since I find sex to be an important part of the relationship, and I don't want it to be ambiguous. Even for fade to black scene as long as it's implied they did it. It's not about seeing naked people as I'm perfectly ok with Tali and Garrus' lack of one, but the scene was implied they did it. Those who don't want it should be able to skip it.

[AlanC9]

I'm ok with the 2-2-2 numbers. Not sure why they add 2 more options just for the same groups in DAI. I wasn't a fan of that. One of those option could have spread to other groups.

My understanding is that with the extension they had a bit more time to do this content than they originally planned, and of the available characters Cullen and Solas seemed like the best bets. Race-and sex- gated to keep costs manageable. Personally, I would have swapped Harding for Cullen, but that might be my own preferences talking.

[KaiserShep]

"I guess its good to have something to come back to."

 

"What do you mean, 'to come back to?' This is just a fling, Vakarian. I'm using you for your body."

 

"You are so mean....and I'm okay with that."

 

Playful banter is definitely Garrus and Tali's shtick when they interact with one another, even since ME2 if you happen to take the both of them to the Citadel. 

[dreamgazer]

"I have a shotgun."

Gotta love how they poked fun at ME1's infodumps there.

[Han Shot First]

Playful banter is definitely Garrus and Tali's shtick when they interact with one another, even since ME2 if you happen to take the both of them to the Citadel. 

 

She's definitely teasing Garrus, but I didn't get the impression from their banter that they were any more serious than Isabela & Fenris in DA2.

[Panda]

I'm ok with the 2-2-2 numbers. Not sure why they add 2 more options just for the same groups in DAI. I wasn't a fan of that. One of those option could have spread to other groups. It's basically straight males situation with ME3. They didn't learn anything from the LI distribution from ME3. It creates resentment, and especially for straight males who are not used to being given priorities.

 

If I remember right Gaider said in one romance threads or some place else that is long gone now, that giving equal numbers is not main concern of them, but writing romances for character they fit. That's just my memory of the remark though. Also at least Cullen was intended to be bisexual at some point, but was cut out due to time and resource constraits or maybe because it didn't fit his character. M/m dialogue of his romance still remain in the game files. In other hand I think they wanted to give everyone at least 2 options so there is choices for LI's, but other than that they weren't concerned with numbers.

 

Though personally I'd like them to go for more equal numbers and I hope to see them in ME:A.

 

My understanding is that with the extension they had a bit more time to do this content than they originally planned, and of the available characters Cullen and Solas seemed like the best bets. Race-and sex- gated to keep costs manageable. Personally, I would have swapped Harding for Cullen, but that might be my own preferences talking.

 

What I have observed Cassandra, Cullen and Solas seem to be most popular romances. I'm not sure what Bioware were really thinking with first only having Iron Bull and Blackwall for romances that straight female Inquisitor had, Bull is very kinky and you have to be submissive for him- this isn't everyone's thing- and Blackwall lies about his identity and is criminal/killed children, which some aren't okay. Really Cullen is only kinda normal romance there is so I find it odd BW didn't have him as first choice for female Inquisitors.

 

Though Scout Harding is very asked as well and would have been great romance. I'd have personally switched her with Blackwall though.

[karushna5]

I want more romance content, less romances, and less characters. People don't like 4 bisexual options but it gives great benefits.

-More resources for those characters

-Able for everyone to have 2 options without an inflation of characters to make up for it.

-Less broad more depth would be welcome after several games that are more broad, less depth.

-If this hero has a continuing series, they need a small crew to start with.

-NPC romances can be hookups than a spill over of romances that can't fit as companions.

[Linkenski]

One thing I've always liked is a romance where if you don't take your chances, the romance character will take her chances with another dude from your crew, and they actually develop a real relationship that isn't just an easter-egg like Tali and Garrus.

[Quarian Master Race]

Seeing The discussion of Tali and Garrus makes me think that I would actually like more things like that. I mean, I won't suggest that it should happen all the time with all the companions but if a companion, romancable or not can have a good chemistry with another member of the crew , it makes sense they would perhaps be together. It's a very common thing and would make things seem more real. Whether it be a serious relationship building up (I.E my take on Garrus and Tali would be their relationship would be come a real one) , a physical relationship (Isabela and Fenris come to mind), or an adorable crush (Blackwall and Josephine). As long as the people in question if they are a romance are not locked in one with PC, I think these are great addition and in my opinion makes the immersion a bit better. Healthy adults can and may take interest in each other!

As far as romances go, I think this is something Bioware can add because PC romances isn't the only one that might matter

Speak for yourself, I hated that about ME3. If they put it in a military environment again then have half the ship running around breaking fraternization regs I'd be similarly annoyed. If it were just Tali/Garrus (and I could have called them out for lacking professionalism, which also wasn't an option for some reason) it'd have been one thing, but there were at least 3 other examples (Donnely/Daniels, Joker/EDI and Ashley/James).

It's a stealth warship, not a goddamn singles cruise. 

 

Playful banter is definitely Garrus and Tali's shtick when they interact with one another, even since ME2 if you happen to take the both of them to the Citadel. 

Unless it's ME1, where it's more like casual racism and passive aggressive impertinence between those two.

[CuriousArtemis]

 

 

My personal suggestions:

 

1. Equal numbers of romances, beginning to end, for male and female player character.  At least one option each for gay and lesbian player characters as well.

 

Wow. I, um, take it you play straight characters LOL!

[CuriousArtemis]

If I remember right Gaider said in one romance threads or some place else that is long gone now, that giving equal numbers is not main concern of them, but writing romances for character they fit. That's just my memory of the remark though. Also at least Cullen was intended to be bisexual at some point, but was cut out due to time and resource constraits or maybe because it didn't fit his character. M/m dialogue of his romance still remain in the game files. In other hand I think they wanted to give everyone at least 2 options so there is choices for LI's, but other than that they weren't concerned with numbers.

 

It is there for Solas, too, flirt lines at least.

 

And I think Gaider meant "writing straight romances for characters that fit + plus that one super duper gay romance that I wrote basically for myself" lol

[Dantriges]

Speak for yourself, I hated that about ME3. If they put it in a military environment again then have half the ship running around breaking fraternization regs I'd be similarly annoyed. If it were just Tali/Garrus (and I could have called them out for lacking professionalism, which also wasn't an option for some reason) it'd have been one thing, but there were at least 3 other examples (Donnely/Daniels, Joker/EDI and Ashley/James).

It's a stealth warship, not a goddamn singles cruise.

 

Military environment? Yeah somewhat. But the Normandy houses an illegal AI, is commanded by a Spectre who was imprisoned a few weeks ago and the squad consists of some alliance soldiers, a quarian admiral, a turian special advisor, an asari with a doctor in archaeology and the prothean avatar of vengeance. Oh and the ship AI. Joker checked and there are no regulations about relationships with the ship AI (what a surprise ). Donelly and Daniels pursue their relationships only with the commander´s blessing. Leaves Ash and Vega at the party. Ah well she is a Spectre so who cares. Tough luck for Vega if his commanding officer cares about that.

 

The Normandy never was a warship run according to miltary standards. You have a quarian working on the super secret drive in ME 1 and several squaddies, who aren´t part of the military. Ok you are a Spectre and this ship is on loan to the council or whatever explains the messy double loyalties.