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[Nethershadow]

Military environment? Yeah somewhat. But the Normandy houses an illegal AI, is commanded by a Spectre who was imprisoned a few weeks ago and the squad consists of some alliance soldiers, a quarian admiral, a turian special advisor, an asari with a doctor in archaeology and the prothean avatar of vengeance. Oh and the ship AI. Joker checked and there are no regulations about relationships with the ship AI (what a surprise ). Donelly and Daniels pursue their relationships only with the commander´s blessing. Leaves Ash and Vega at the party. Ah well she is a Spectre so who cares. Tough luck for Vega if his commanding officer cares about that.

The Normandy never was a warship run according to miltary standards. You have a quarian working on the super secret drive in ME 1 and several squaddies, who aren´t part of the military. Ok you are a Spectre and this ship is on loan to the council or whatever explains the messy double loyalties.

It doesn't matter about the other passengers as the Normandy in 1 n 3 is alliance ship and any alliance personnel would be subject to regs while others aren't. But relationships still happen in the military all the time even if against regs.

[Dantriges]

Wasn´t the debate mostly about Tali and Garrus?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Wasn´t the debate mostly about Tali and Garrus?

The debate is about whether followers should couple or not. Garrus and Tali are just an example.

[TheTechnoTurian]

• I want a romance subplot in my MP so I can date people's MP turians
• I want more alien genitalia 

[God]

I think what could be done is a system where you have 4 'main'romances (2 per gender and heterosexual) and a small subset of other characters that you can meet, court quickly, then screw (all aliens and LGBTQ options included here). Sort of how the Witcher does it, honestly. I also think that the romance should be better integrated into your character, making it more of a central part of the story, similar to how KotOR handled it. As for what the romances should be... well, I think you need the standard BW fare of romances as far as characters go:

 

The two females: One that fits the more girl-next-door/nice girl/down-to-earth/Betty type (passionate, good-natured, grounded, hot-blooded, kinder, often more virginal, more spiritual, empathetic, etc. are tropes that tend to apply here, and as for characters, think Ashley, Leliana (in DA:O), Merrill, Tali, etc.), while the other female LI is the more mysterious ice queen (rational, colder, exotic, darker, more overt sexuality, femme fatale, and enigmatic are the tropes that apply here, with good character examples being Miranda, Morrigan, and Bastila). A good non-BW comparison of romances would be Triss Merigold and Yennefer of Venderberg from the Witcher.

 

The two males: One that is more of the traditional good guy/champion (chivalrous, nice, more naive, etc. with character examples being Carth, Kaidan, Cullen, and Alistair), and the one that is more of a rogue/scoundrel/bad boy (suave, dashing, sarcastic, darker, more experienced, etc. with examples being Zevran, Iron Bull, Dorian, Fenris, and, to an extent, James.) Non-BW example would be Luke and Han.

 

None of the tropes are mutually exclusive of course. As Dragon Age goes on for example, you can harden Leliana to be more from the bubbly nice girl to the more aloof darker femme fatale.

 

On the side, you have more secondary sexual interests that aren't romances per se, but fulfill other options that can be taken. IMO, this is where the LGBTQ and alien romances should be. 

 

As well, I do believe that the series shouldn't shy away from nudity of either gender (nothing explicit like what I get on xvideos or Pornhub). I think the romances (the primary romances) should be, as I said, more integral to the story, and to offer more than what a person who played without romances would get.

[Lee80]

I think what could be done is a system where you have 4 'main'romances (2 per gender and heterosexual) and a small subset of other characters that you can meet, court quickly, then screw (all aliens and LGBTQ options included here). Sort of how the Witcher does it, honestly. I also think that the romance should be better integrated into your character, making it more of a central part of the story, similar to how KotOR handled it. As for what the romances should be... well, I think you need the standard BW fare of romances as far as characters go:

 

The two females: One that fits the more girl-next-door/nice girl/down-to-earth/Betty type (passionate, good-natured, grounded, hot-blooded, kinder, often more virginal, more spiritual, empathetic, etc. are tropes that tend to apply here, and as for characters, think Ashley, Leliana (in DA:O), Merrill, Tali, etc.), while the other female LI is the more mysterious ice queen (rational, colder, exotic, darker, more overt sexuality, femme fatale, and enigmatic are the tropes that apply here, with good character examples being Miranda, Morrigan, and Bastila). A good non-BW comparison of romances would be Triss Merigold and Yennefer of Venderberg from the Witcher.

 

The two males: One that is more of the traditional good guy/champion (chivalrous, nice, more naive, etc. with character examples being Carth, Kaidan, Cullen, and Alistair), and the one that is more of a rogue/scoundrel/bad boy (suave, dashing, sarcastic, darker, more experienced, etc. with examples being Zevran, Iron Bull, Dorian, Fenris, and, to an extent, James.) Non-BW example would be Luke and Han.

 

None of the tropes are mutually exclusive of course. As Dragon Age goes on for example, you can harden Leliana to be more from the bubbly nice girl to the more aloof darker femme fatale.

 

On the side, you have more secondary sexual interests that aren't romances per se, but fulfill other options that can be taken. IMO, this is where the LGBTQ and alien romances should be. 

 

As well, I do believe that the series shouldn't shy away from nudity of either gender (nothing explicit like what I get on xvideos or Pornhub). I think the romances (the primary romances) should be, as I said, more integral to the story, and to offer more than what a person who played without romances would get.

Why should non-straight romances be limited to a hookup?  Are you unaware that gay people have relationships too, or are you just greedy/selfish?  

[KaiserShep]

I think what could be done is a system where you have 4 'main'romances (2 per gender and heterosexual) and a small subset of other characters that you can meet, court quickly, then screw (all aliens and LGBTQ options included here). Sort of how the Witcher does it, honestly. I also think that the romance should be better integrated into your character, making it more of a central part of the story, similar to how KotOR handled it. As for what the romances should be... well, I think you need the standard BW fare of romances as far as characters go:

The two females: One that fits the more girl-next-door/nice girl/down-to-earth/Betty type (passionate, good-natured, grounded, hot-blooded, kinder, often more virginal, more spiritual, empathetic, etc. are tropes that tend to apply here, and as for characters, think Ashley, Leliana (in DA:O), Merrill, Tali, etc.), while the other female LI is the more mysterious ice queen (rational, colder, exotic, darker, more overt sexuality, femme fatale, and enigmatic are the tropes that apply here, with good character examples being Miranda, Morrigan, and Bastila). A good non-BW comparison of romances would be Triss Merigold and Yennefer of Venderberg from the Witcher.

The two males: One that is more of the traditional good guy/champion (chivalrous, nice, more naive, etc. with character examples being Carth, Kaidan, Cullen, and Alistair), and the one that is more of a rogue/scoundrel/bad boy (suave, dashing, sarcastic, darker, more experienced, etc. with examples being Zevran, Iron Bull, Dorian, Fenris, and, to an extent, James.) Non-BW example would be Luke and Han.

None of the tropes are mutually exclusive of course. As Dragon Age goes on for example, you can harden Leliana to be more from the bubbly nice girl to the more aloof darker femme fatale.

On the side, you have more secondary sexual interests that aren't romances per se, but fulfill other options that can be taken. IMO, this is where the LGBTQ and alien romances should be.

It seems a bit ironic to make this proposal while citing a bunch of characters that are part of the LGBTQ group.

[God]

Why should non-straight romances be limited to a hookup?  Are you unaware that gay people have relationships too, or are you just greedy/selfish?  

 

Call it whatever you like. But yes, I do believe that LGBTQ relationships in the game should not be the standard or the norm. I don't really care for being PC that much. LGBTQ is a minority, and while I am fully supportive of protecting and maintaining their rights, I do not believe in giving exception or privilege to them. And to be frank, I'm not very egalitarian either.

 

Personally, I think way too much focus is put on romances to begin with. 

[God]

It seems a bit ironic to make this proposal while citing a bunch of characters that are part of the LGBTQ group.

 

Maybe, but they weren't cited because they were in that bracket. They were cited because they fit tropes/definitions of what I was going for.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe, but they weren't cited because they were in that bracket. They were cited because they fit tropes/definitions of what I was going for.

Sure, but then, why limit even the bisexual character into the side group when characters such as those mentioned can just as well be integrated into the PC's story? I'm just wondering what the point of the restriction is.

[Lee80]

 

Personally, I think way too much focus is put on romances to begin with. 

If you don't think they are worth the effort, then why take them away from those of us who do care about them?  BioWare is one of the few companies that do think we are worth making content for, so maybe you should just go play one of the many games that don't do romance?  

[God]

Sure, but then, why limit even the bisexual character into the side group when characters such as those mentioned can just as well be integrated into the PC's story? I'm just wondering what the point of the restriction is.

 

The point of the restriction is more or less irritation that people put too much focus on the romances in the game, especially from the PC/LGBTQ crowd (I don't disagree with their stances, just their views that romances are central to the game.) 

 

I don't think it's realistic to have every character (or every love interest) be LGBTQ, quite honestly. I'm polyamorous of the open-relationship type (1 queen, lots of princesses, and I'm classified as a sexual deviant for that), and I don't believe that it would really matter when all is said and done if it was incorporated or not. I'd rather see the game having a strong story first, and even having the romance touch upon that better. But I do think that the PC/LGBTQ crowd is more of a niche than a full demographic.

[God]

If you don't think they are worth the effort, then why take them away from those of us who do care about them?  BioWare is one of the few companies that do think we are worth making content for, so maybe you should just go play one of the many games that don't do romance?  

 

Because it takes away from resources that could go towards better writing in the story or plot? I'd rather BW stick to making stories for everyone than content for some and dividing it. Why should I deviate from that perspective? Why don't I have as much right to voice my perspective here as you do? 

 

You being LGBTQ does not make you specially privileged or entitled. You're putting this in a way that makes you seem as though you are.

[Lee80]

Because it takes away from resources that could go towards better writing in the story or plot? I'd rather BW stick to making stories for everyone than content for some and dividing it. Why should I deviate from that perspective? Why don't I have as much right to voice my perspective here as you do? 

 

You being LGBTQ does not make you specially privileged or entitled. You're putting this in a way that makes you seem as though you are.

That wasn't my intent.  My point was just because you are in a majority, doesn't give you the right to take away what little attention a minority gets.  Wanting such things makes you look very shallow, and if you think I am trying to appear entitled it's only cause of your own entitlement reflecting back at you.  

[God]

That wasn't my intent.  My point was just because you are in a majority, doesn't give you the right to take away what little attention a minority gets.  Wanting such things makes you look very shallow, and if you think I am trying to appear entitled it's only cause of your own entitlement reflecting back at you.  

 

Actually, generally speaking, it does give me a right. That's how a democracy works after all. While I'm fully aware that this isn't a democracy, I figure I should make that distinction.

 

Otherwise, I'm not interested in breaking your entitlement for my own. Such a statement of 'check your privilege'. If what I want happens to infringe on your entitlement, well, that sucks for you. I've relayed my idea for the game calmly and in a non-insulting or accusatory manner. I don't feel entitled to what I want as much as you apparently: It's discrimination if you don't get what you want after all. Me, I just have an idea that would probably make the game better. I don't think this series should be a romance simulator.

[N7Jamaican]

Add a dynamic relationship.  Allow our LI to actually be able to dictate the relationship.  To make it actually to feel like it's a relationship.  

 

I've almost always romanced either Tali and Liara... Most of the interactions seem platonic (I think because not everyone romanced Liara or Tali). But certain dialogues seems like puppy love, flirting.

 

Not saying they need to make a dating sim, but just a little bit believeable.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

I no longer want to follow this thread as it seems to be going down hill, but if you wish to discuss the subject further please feel free to message me @God

Now, in reference to your earlier posts I have read...

Your implication that the LGBTQ community value romance more than the game story more than the plot is ridiculous. That is not true at all. Yes, many of the LGBTQ community do thoroughly enjoy the romances. As do those who are not. There are just as many who do not care about the romances , but they are a nice addition for them. In the media of video games for many years they did not have the same representation as they do now. Bioware is one of the few that have done this for a long time. While many games have been trying to be more inclusive , Bioware has been doing it for a while. Those who do play Bioware games mainly for the romances deserve the same respect and chance to have their sexualities, gender identities, and such represented. While I respect your opinion as I do anyone else's, "minorities" as you labeled this community of people, or in my opinion minorities of any kind deserve to be represented because this kind of railroaded thinking of one needed to be cared for or attended to more than another is very problematic. Video game or not, representation matters.

[God]

I no longer want to follow this thread as it seems to be going down hill, but if you wish to discuss the subject further please feel free to message me @God

Now, in reference to your earlier posts I have read...

Your implication that the LGBTQ community value romance more than the game story more than the plot is ridiculous. That is not true at all. Yes, many of the LGBTQ community do thoroughly enjoy the romances. As do those who are not. There are just as many who do not care about the romances , but they are a nice addition for them. In the media of video games for many years they did not have the same representation as they do now. Bioware is one of the few that have done this for a long time. While many games have been trying to be more inclusive , Bioware has been doing it for a while. Those who do play Bioware games mainly for the romances deserve the same respect and chance to have their sexualities, gender identities, and such represented. While I respect your opinion as I do anyone else's, "minorities" as you labeled this community of people, or in my opinion minorities of any kind deserve to be represented because this kind of railroaded thinking of one needed to be cared for or attended to more than another is very problematic. Video game or not, representation matters.

 

I disagree entirely. Call it life experience. We'll leave it at that.

[JediMindTrix]

I want them not to suck or feel forced. I don't want romanced shoehorned in anymore just to meet some 'representation'. It makes for poor storytelling when it's forced.

[Sylvius the Mad]

How could Mass Effect: Andromeda handle romance better than previous games?

Herosexual romances.

[Dantriges]

No sex or sleeping together in the same bed in combat armor please. Yes Garrus protection is important, especially in this case but I think the good doctor meant something different.

[KaiserShep]

The point of the restriction is more or less irritation that people put too much focus on the romances in the game, especially from the PC/LGBTQ crowd (I don't disagree with their stances, just their views that romances are central to the game.) 

 

I don't think it's realistic to have every character (or every love interest) be LGBTQ, quite honestly. I'm polyamorous of the open-relationship type (1 queen, lots of princesses, and I'm classified as a sexual deviant for that), and I don't believe that it would really matter when all is said and done if it was incorporated or not. I'd rather see the game having a strong story first, and even having the romance touch upon that better. But I do think that the PC/LGBTQ crowd is more of a niche than a full demographic.

 

Fair enough, but I feel that realism can be a bit dubious in this case, since a "realistic" world would grant the PC the option of exploring various NPC's beyond the central cast, be it for friendship or more, with enough content to make them seem like fleshed-out characters. Since the PC's entire world is largely limited to that small band of adventurers, real-life statistics can pretty much shove off. 

 

When it comes to things being farfetched, nothing really tops a PC's level of persuasiveness in most cases, let alone the ability to cut through swaths of enemies with just a handful of allies. At least when it comes to side content like romance, how prevalent it is in the game really comes down to whether or not the player wishes to activate it 

[daveliam]

I wasn't aware that the creation of a video and it's content was a democratic process.  My understanding was that it was a business and the game was the creation of a company that could be free to focus on any aspect that they see fit.  Some focus on what the 'majority' want; others look to court niche markets.  Given that Bioware is open about their interest in providing multiple romance options for gay and lesbian PC's, I think it's very clear that the "democracy" argument is completely invalid.  If you want games that don't have LGBT romances, then Bioware games are not for you.

[Steelcan]

If it was up to me I'd take a chainsaw to the romances

 

then go Melisandre on what's left

[Brass_Buckles]

Wow. I, um, take it you play straight characters LOL!

 

"At least one each" = no less than one each, but possibly 2 or more, each, gay and lesbian characters.  Not seeing where you are taking offense at that.

 

I do play straight female most of the time, because I am a straight woman, but I am hoping there are equal numbers for all orientations.

 

As far as I'm concerned, "at least one" also pertains to straight male and female romances.

 

As long as it's a good, interesting romance, I don't need or want more than one option--if I don't like the option I am offered, I can always just play a single character.  It's not a dating sim, after all.  The romances make it a little more fun to me, but I can live without 'em.

 

There probably will be more options than that, for everyone, though, and that's a good thing.  It might be a 2/2/2 split, or it might skew in favor of one group or another.  It skewed toward straight males and lesbian females in the Mass Effect trilogy.  Dragon Age: Inquisition skewed toward straight and bisexual women.  This time maybe it will skew to homosexual and bisexual people.  I'd be okay with that--and goodness knows gay guys got left out enough in the Mass Effect series, without a single romance to have until ME3 came around.