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[Tim van Beek]

Obviously both franchises have huge differences with regard of the universe, premise etc. but there are a few aspects of gameplay that are worthy of discussion.

 

I'll start: I like how there is a mini game like Gwent that is 

 

1. optional, so I can ignore it, yet it

2. still integrates into the story: there are occasions where a mastery of gwent allows a non-violent solution, or stories related to tournaments,

3. I can upgrade my ability by finding or buying new cards,

4. it has some tactics that make it something more than a finger exercise.

 

P.S.: My apologies to BioWare. I love your games. I'm hoping for a constructive and civil discussion of fan feedback. It worked for Dragon Age. 

[pdusen]

They are totally different games gameplay-wise.

Still, I will agree that Bioware should take note of the things TW3 did really well. Some of them are things Bioware games could benefit from.

[Grieving Natashina]

The 300+ page TW3 thread isn't just in relation to DA at this point, but about BioWare as a whole.  Most of the points discussed have been connected to where it could help other BioWare games.  In fact, it branched past just DA about a hundred pages ago and they've long since been discussing where CDPR could help ME as well as DA.  It's also been talking just a lot about TW3 in general.  

 

Also, the devs know that many of the fans posting in there are also ME fans.  It's pretty easy to tell with most posters as a glance.  I'm also 99% certain that the devs have read that thread, and I know (going by Twitter feeds) that some of them are playing TW3 as well.  

 

I think this conversation would be better served in the mega TW3 thread.  At this point, this tiny subforum might not be the best place for it.  Due to the branching nature of the TW3 thread in the DA Feedback section, it would not be considered off-topic to talk about ME.  

[Helios969]

Yes, they should definitely take note.  Not that I want TW3 in space, just look at their implementation of a semi-openworld and integration of main story and side-quests. If they couple that with an evolved ME3 they'll hit a homerun.

[Feybrad]

I did not like The Witcher, never did. It has mostly to do with not liking Geralt.

 

In the Witcher 3, like in every Game, there are good Aspects and bad Aspects.

 

Ideally, the good Aspects should be taken note of, while the bad Aspects should be left behind.

 

However, especially in the storytelling Aspects, BioWare should stick to their own Strengths instead of those of others. Companions, for Example.

[Kierro Ren]

Can someone, PLEASE, explain why TW3 is so popular? Everytime I see -- Witcher 3, OMG WITCHER 3, BE LIKE WITCHER 3 I want to Fkn puke. I bought the game and seen nothing great. The fight style is totally AC rip off and felt clumsy as hell. Someone told me "Give it another try, it'll get better." I just couldn't stomach it.  Geralt's (or wft ever his name is) only reasoning was treking after a woman who left his ass (Good riddance). People whine DAI's exploring was empty, yet I felt TW3 was just as empty. If ME:A goes TW3, Bio won't get me to buy it. Keep W3 as far as hell away from Mass Effect: Andromeda.

[Akrabra]

Can someone, PLEASE, explain why TW3 is so popular?

Hype that succeeded. It is a good game, but not nearly as good as the hype make it out to be. 

[pdusen]

Hype that succeeded. It is a good game, but not nearly as good as the hype make it out to be. 

 

Granted, it's not the Second Coming that the hype makes it out to be, but I have found it to really be very good.

[rashie]

Can someone, PLEASE, explain why TW3 is so popular? Everytime I see -- Witcher 3, OMG WITCHER 3, BE LIKE WITCHER 3 I want to Fkn puke. I bought the game and seen nothing great. The fight style is totally AC rip off and felt clumsy as hell. Someone told me "Give it another try, it'll get better." I just couldn't stomach it.  Geralt's (or wft ever his name is) only reasoning was treking after a woman who left his ass (Good riddance). People whine DAI's exploring was empty, yet I felt TW3 was just as empty. If ME:A goes TW3, Bio won't get me to buy it. Keep W3 as far as hell away from Mass Effect: Andromeda.

Its a lot about how the side quests actually have cutscenes, or more properly worded, zoomed in camera when talking to people, proper storytelling in side quests and integration into the main story even if their optional, as well as with gameplay that doesn't try to be 2 genres all at once and thus flows better for an action game.

[Sartoz]

I did not like The Witcher, never did. It has mostly to do with not liking Geralt.

 

In the Witcher 3, like in every Game, there are good Aspects and bad Aspects.

 

Ideally, the good Aspects should be taken note of, while the bad Aspects should be left behind.

 

However, especially in the storytelling Aspects, BioWare should stick to their own Strengths instead of those of others. Companions, for Example.

 

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TW3 is the story about Geralt the Witcher, while ME and DA franchises it's all about friendship and bonding with a group of characters. Both tell a story but TW3 is a personal one, while in ME and DA the characters play a role in the story world.

 

Some big differences that I find in TW3, is the mini-game, NPCs in villages (children and adults) that bring the community "alive" so to speak, the meaningful side quests and the avoidance of "grinding" to get ahead in the game, inventory management, gear upgrades, choices leading to some interesting story branches (romancing both Yennefer and Triss anyone?)  and so on.... including storage chest(s), of all things.

 

Let's hope that ME:A got a chance for some much needed tweaks from the TW3 game world.

[Sanunes]

I am pretty sure people would complain just as much about how BioWare made a bad game and only copied the bad aspects of The Witcher 3 if they even mention the game see Skyrim.

 

Honestly no matter what BioWare does there is going to be a thread exactly like this one or The Witcher mega-thread saying how BioWare should copy their favourite game or add their favourite mechanic from another game because they feel it is important to the game.  I personally can see many flaws with how The Witcher was handled as well and rather not have those in a game I play.

[zara]

No, and I am tired of hearing about the Witcher!

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Hype that succeeded. It is a good game, but not nearly as good as the hype make it out to be. 

 

Man when the company that makes those games fails it is going to be as big if not bigger than any of BioWare's failures and/or their so-called failures and it will happen one day.     

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I am pretty sure people would complain just as much about how BioWare made a bad game and only copied the bad aspects of The Witcher 3 if they even mention the game see Skyrim.

 

Honestly no matter what BioWare does there is going to be a thread exactly like this one or The Witcher mega-thread saying how BioWare should copy their favourite game or add their favourite mechanic from another game because they feel it is important to the game.  I personally can see many flaws with how The Witcher was handled as well and rather not have those in a game I play.

 

And here is the thing: If BioWare basically remade TW3 as Dragon Age 4 people would then complain: "It's a Witcher clone" or "It's Witcher-lite" and people here would complain here would be the loudest. So BioWare's damned if they do and damned if they don't.  

[Steelcan]

 

And here is the thing: If BioWare basically remade TW3 as Dragon Age 4 people would then complain: "It's a Witcher clone" or "It's Witcher-lite" and people here would complain here would be the loudest. So BioWare's damned if they do and damned if they don't.  

Besides, BioWare wouldn't ever do half of the stuff TW series does

 

that said, TW isn't applicable to ME, it should instead look for inspiration from some other Sci-fi series such as any of the Bungie games, Dune, Firefly, or even better the first two Mass Effects

[LinksOcarina]

I wonder if anyone ever made a thread on how Dragon Age can influence The Witcher 3...

[Feybrad]

Besides, BioWare wouldn't ever do half of the stuff TW series does

 

that said, TW isn't applicable to ME, it should instead look for inspiration from some other Sci-fi series such as any of the Bungie games, Dune, Firefly, or even better the first two Mass Effects

 

You mentioned Firefly. You get a Like.

[Steelcan]

I wonder if anyone ever made a thread on how Dragon Age can influence The Witcher 3...

Maybe, but I have no idea what they'd put into it

 

"More empty environments"

"Less choices that make a difference"

"Thinner romances"

[LinksOcarina]

Maybe, but I have no idea what they'd put into it

 

"More empty environments"

"Less choices that make a difference"

"Thinner romances"

 

Sounds like my experience with Witcher 2.

[rashie]

I wonder if anyone ever made a thread on how Dragon Age can influence The Witcher 3...

Plenty,  in the feedback forum for DA:I, in the form of listing things that they believe makes DA:I better than TW3.

[Feybrad]

Maybe, but I have no idea what they'd put into it

 

"More empty environments"

"Less choices that make a difference"

"Thinner romances"

 

"Individualization" (of the Protagonist)

"Customization" (of the Protagonist)

"Companions" (for the Protagonist)

 

...come to think of it, most of my Problems with the Witcher Series are my Problems with Geralt. He's just not terribly interesting. He's not in any Way "mine".

[FKA_Servo]

The 300+ page TW3 thread isn't just in relation to DA at this point, but about BioWare as a whole. Most of the points discussed have been connected to where it could help other BioWare games. In fact, it branched past just DA about a hundred pages ago and they've long since been discussing where CDPR could help ME as well as DA. It's also been talking just a lot about TW3 in general.

Also, the devs know that many of the fans posting in there are also ME fans. It's pretty easy to tell with most posters as a glance. I'm also 99% certain that the devs have read that thread, and I know (going by Twitter feeds) that some of them are playing TW3 as well.

I think this conversation would be better served in the mega TW3 thread. At this point, this tiny subforum might not be the best place for it. Due to the branching nature of the TW3 thread in the DA Feedback section, it would not be considered off-topic to talk about ME.

The story of that thread is the story of the BSN itself.

I wonder if anyone ever made a thread on how Dragon Age can influence The Witcher 3...

Probably, but even so, it would probably be more appropriate over at the Witcher forums. Based on what I've seen here, I can only imagine how well that would go over.

The Bioware/Witcher fan fights remain possibly the most obnoxious goddamn thing in the forums.

[Sanunes]

"Individualization" (of the Protagonist)

"Customization" (of the Protagonist)

"Companions" (for the Protagonist)

 

...come to think of it, most of my Problems with the Witcher Series are my Problems with Geralt. He's just not terribly interesting. He's not in any Way "mine".

 

See that is what I don't think people understand at times is there are tradeoffs on what they add to a game.  Yes the quest structure in Inquisition was lacking, but there are many other areas where people say The Witcher is better and a lot of that I personally attribute to the game having a fixed protagonist and if they started to make the protagonist a little more customizable it wouldn't be nearly the same.

[Steelcan]

"Individualization" (of the Protagonist)

"Customization" (of the Protagonist)

"Companions" (for the Protagonist)

 

...come to think of it, most of my Problems with the Witcher Series are my Problems with Geralt. He's just not terribly interesting. He's not in any Way "mine".

well those are design decisions, one approach isn't inherently better than the other

[Feybrad]

well those are design decisions, one approach isn't inherently better than the other

 

Well, but it is basically THE most central Design Choice that led to many / most of the Differences between both games, storywise. However, if you actually want to argue about that, I suggest you find yourself someone who played TW3, as I grew bored with Geralt midway through TW2 and didn't even play the Sequel. Watched some Previews, thought "Yep, it's still Geralt" and didn't buy the Game.