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[sjsharp2011]

Can someone, PLEASE, explain why TW3 is so popular? Everytime I see -- Witcher 3, OMG WITCHER 3, BE LIKE WITCHER 3 I want to Fkn puke. I bought the game and seen nothing great. The fight style is totally AC rip off and felt clumsy as hell. Someone told me "Give it another try, it'll get better." I just couldn't stomach it.  Geralt's (or wft ever his name is) only reasoning was treking after a woman who left his ass (Good riddance). People whine DAI's exploring was empty, yet I felt TW3 was just as empty. If ME:A goes TW3, Bio won't get me to buy it. Keep W3 as far as hell away from Mass Effect: Andromeda.

 Whilst I do like the Witcvher series based on what I've exdperienced of it I do agree about the combat maybe it's because I'm used to and prefer the  team based combat in games like these which Bioware uses. I've only got to Act/Chapter 3 of the first game so far but I must admit i do find the combat a little too challengingin some places. Fortunately I have found some trainers to help me on my way in the more awkward areas but obviously I'd hasve preferd the combat  a little more simpler in the bigger fights or at least help from other sources like others joining you in the bigger fights.

[Torgette]

From what I've been hearing about the Witcher, there's been a lot of praise heaped on the side missions, but I'm not hearing a whole lot on much else.

 

Imagine somebody made an rpg with mario's story as the main quest - each segment's finale ends with "the princess is in another castle", but there's still toad. Now imagine they took toad and gave him a side quest you can do optionally from that point forward or continue on to the next castle. Those quests are great they've got mysteries and arcs and tons of cinematics - the ones linked to the main quest through characters. The random side quests you run into in the world itself however are honestly largely filler with a few very brief random flashes of brilliance - I would say Bethesda thoroughly does a better job with the randomly discovered content but to each their own. Bioware's strength is the main quest stuff though, so people bring up The Witcher 3 because main quest was also CDPR's strength.

[Steelcan]

From what I've been hearing about the Witcher, there's been a lot of praise heaped on the side missions, but I'm not hearing a whole lot on much else.

Shall I praise the romance content, the world reactivity, choice and consequences, effective world building, and so on?

 

Or do you just want HEROISM

[Steelcan]

The Dragon Age fanbase on average is more mature and less insane than the Mass Effect fanbase.

 

idk man, both have their drawbacks
 

[Mdizzletr0n]

Dialogue is another Thing that is inherently heavier influenced by the Fact that Geralt is a predefined Protagonist. If BioWare were to take Pages from their Book in Terms of writing Dialogue, we would only end up with a disgusting Hybrid between our own Protagonist, created by ourselves (YAY!). and a predefined Protagonist like Geralt (BOO!). They should try to find their own Way that allows for us Players to have as much Influence over our Character as possible.

Can't talk about Choices though, not having played the later Witcher games. There is another Thread, though, talking about Choices and Consequence, serving up Life is Strange as an Example and although the Sturctures of Story and Game can't really be compared to Mass Effect, the general Consensus seems to be to move away from various Galaxy-altering Choices per Game to having most Choices be on a more personal Level mostly influencing Character Interactions.

It already kind of was. We didn't really have full control. Shepard was already predifined in his/her background. Also, he/she didn't always respond how we wanted when we made dialogue choices. So in a way, Shepard was closer to Geralt than people want to admit. Also, both characters aren't really the most charismatic characters in comparison to many of the NPCs.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The less Bioware tries to be like CDPR, the better. 

[silverserfer28]

Just be like mass effect plz,f%€k all them other poo titles .

[Lady Artifice]

idk man, both have their drawbacks
 

 

For what it's worth, the ME fan base seems slightly less fragmented by competing lore driven ideologies. No mages vs. templars, no elves vs. humans. Now we've got MP vs SP, which isn't really much of an issue to begin, since there are plenty of us who like both. 

 

There's also the issue of whether we're happy or unhappy with the Andromeda setting, also a meta issue. 

[The Heretic of Time]

For what it's worth, the ME fan base seems slightly less fragmented by competing lore driven ideologies. No mages vs. templars, no elves vs. humans. Now we've got MP vs SP, which isn't really much of an issue to begin, since there are plenty of us who like both. 

 

There's also the issue of whether we're happy or unhappy with the Andromeda setting, also a meta issue. 

 

You should have been here during the ME2 days. The Paragon versus Renegade flame wars were everywhere and much more hardcore than the mages vs templar debates. It was quite awesome.

[silverserfer28]

Im currently playing the witcher it has good monsters in it and loads of romance features lol, but i love guns swords arnt my thing but im trying it is ok for visuals all be it kinda windy all the dam time .
But if mass effect went this way story wise id still play it.

[Sanunes]

It already kind of was. We didn't really have full control. Shepard was already predifined in his/her background. Also, he/she didn't always respond how we wanted when we made dialogue choices. So in a way, Shepard was closer to Geralt than people want to admit. Also, both characters aren't really the most charismatic characters in comparison to many of the NPCs.

 

Now I have only played a couple of hours of The Witcher 3 because I never got into the game, but to me Geralt's options felt even less open then what Shepard is offered for it always felt like Jerk, More of a Jerk, and Man you are a Jerk.  At least with Shepard they were more diplomatic and aggressive so there was at least one other path through the dialogue.

[Steelcan]

For what it's worth, the ME fan base seems slightly less fragmented by competing lore driven ideologies. No mages vs. templars, no elves vs. humans. Now we've got MP vs SP, which isn't really much of an issue to begin, since there are plenty of us who like both. 

 

There's also the issue of whether we're happy or unhappy with the Andromeda setting, also a meta issue. 

geth vs quarian

Cerberus vs Alliance (made moot by ME3)

Ending debates

 

on top of meta issues

[Tim van Beek]

Err... I´m almost afraid to ask at this point but wasn´t the OP asking for avoidable minigames?

 

And not for another Bioware/Witcher 3 discussion?

No, the minigame is just an example of what ME:a could learn from W3 

[animedreamer]

Do not BE like the Witcher 3... because it already exist, also i'm kind of done with the witcher 3, in that its kind of repetitive in terms of what kinds of missions you can do.. so no do not be like the witcher 3 in this regard. Also please make a better map than the witcher 3, sure the game should be big but if most of it is just empty space we can do without.

[Hadeedak]

geth vs quarian

Cerberus vs Alliance (made moot by ME3)

Ending debates

 

on top of meta issues

 

Man, ending wars...

 

CONTROL FOREVER. 

 

Since I played like 3 minutes of Witcher 3 on a friends' console, my sole contribution is that I do kind of like card games as long as they're not vital, and I hope MEA is also very pretty.

[Mastone]

I don't understand the hype about TW3, I played it and I really can't say I will play it again.

From the whole witcher franchise I liked the 2nd game best as I really got invested in the world and its characters, with TW3 there were a lot of new characters introduced which  apparently I should know ( but didn't ) and instead of dealing with what happened with teh people I met during TW2 I get a lot of pointless fetch quests.

Also TW2 had challenging gameplay , TW3 was pointless buttonbashing and looting was unrewarding

So no please not like the witcher 3.

 

I also feel that every dev is focusing on world size, amount of playable hours and **** like that and I truly hope that Bioware turns their **** around and focus on quality again.

I'd rather play an 8 hour game and immediately start over again, over a game which lasts 140 hours and basically plays like an MMO.

 

For me ME4 or MEA should be about proper pacing, a non generic story, optional dating, real meaningful choices which alter the game if only on a personal level and exploration where you actually feel a bit of wonder when entering a new valley when you turn around the corner.

Oh and worlds that feel alive none of that static stuff we had in ME3.

 

If I had my way in this it would be:

A story like that of Bioshock Infinite or kotor 1

Level design like that of assasins creed 2

Immersion into a world aswell as excitement I felt when playing Thief 3 deadly shadows

Character progression like in Fable the lost chapters ( aswell as storytelling I might add)

 

Also I would address the ending of ME3 even if it basically says that in teh end Shepard got indoctrinated and we lost the milkyway to the reapers in teh end, it is infinitely better than teh RGB(A) endings we got

[blahblahblah]

 CDPR certainly respected past choices in TW3. Problem is, most people expected said choices to determine the narrative flow of the third installment. In which case they'd be wrong for expecting such a thing. The Witcher series may be a trilogy, but it's only interconnected by the characters and their personal relationships. Other than that, each installment tells its own standalone story. This is different than Bioware's approach to Mass Effect where each installment bleeds into the next as a continuation of the last. (well, except for that glorified side-story "ME2")

 

And as far as Geralts personality being predefined, I will again beg to differ. You can make him a charmer, a stoic bystander, an indifferent ***hole or simply a brutal killer. If that's predefined then Bioware should feel bad that a predefined character has more personality range than the completely blank slate that they give us. But then again, Geralt's personality isn't predefined (except for the books). You define it over the course of each game.

 

 

No need to link me to today's new "choice and consequence" thread. Every one that pops up I've commented on it. I've been the strongest proponent of a smaller-scale self-contained narrative with a much more personal standalone story and effects, ever since the trilogy concluded in 2012. It allows for a drastically varied and wider branching narrative. 

Pre-defined protagonists are the future of RPGs then since they have better narrative than blank slate one. Geralt is a good example.

[Sanunes]

Pre-defined protagonists are the future of RPGs then since they have better narrative than blank slate one. Geralt is a good example.

 

From what I understand CDPR will be going for a more open protagonist for their Cyberpunk game and I am wondering how it will be accepted versus Geralt since they are going to run into issues that BioWare has been.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

From what I understand CDPR will be going for a more open protagonist for their Cyberpunk game and I am wondering how it will be accepted versus Geralt since they are going to run into issues that BioWare has been.

Yep. Since the Cyberpunk franchise is based of a tabletop game where character customization was one of the main points, CDPR is looking into doing open, customizable protagonists. 

I'm really hoping CDPR does well with that game. Hopefully with the creator of the Cyberpunk franchise supporting them and even working with them on the project they'll pull it off. 

[blahblahblah]

From what I understand CDPR will be going for a more open protagonist for their Cyberpunk game and I am wondering how it will be accepted versus Geralt since they are going to run into issues that BioWare has been.

I don't know but we'll see.

[The Heretic of Time]

From what I understand CDPR will be going for a more open protagonist for their Cyberpunk game and I am wondering how it will be accepted versus Geralt since they are going to run into issues that BioWare has been.

 

Maybe not. What I expect from Cyberpunk is basically a better Alpha Protocol. Alpha Protocol was great in terms of story and choices & consequences but the gameplay sucked. CDPR has proven to be good at making solid open-world games with solid gameplay and they're good at storytelling and c&c as well.

If I'm right and Cyberpunk is indeed going to be an open-world version of Alpha Protocol with better gameplay then Cyberpunk is going to be great.

[silverserfer28]

The weather system though it is shamazballz, in TW3 IMPO.

[Serza]

So, my first thought was: "Wait, a Sci-fi, more like Fantasy...?"

 

I actually had to check this isn't the thread on the DA boards.

[Mdizzletr0n]

ME's still pretty much fantasy when you really think about it. So I don't think it's all that odd.

[Joseph Warrick]

It's sad the CDPR fandom outside of Poland is basically bitter Bioware fans angry that Bioware didn't cater to them specifically and taking revenge by rubbing CDPR's projects in Bioware's face.

 

Trying to hurt Bioware's feelings back won't make the pain go away, CDPR fans.