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[McChuggernaut]

I have been playing DA Inquisition off and on since it's midnight release in my town, and although I get burnt out on the multiplayer grind and stop playing for a month or two from time to time, I do enjoy it very much. That being said, I still have quite a few questions about the multiplayer. Bumbling around the internet I have run across things I had no idea were actually going on with this game, and I really wish some mechanics were better explained. So, in my quest for answers I thought: "You know, I bet those guys on the forums will know all the secret game voodoo that's at work here. I should consult them.". So here are a few questions, and I would very much appreciate any help with them!

 

 

1. Promoting.

 

I can easily solo Ferelden Castle and the high dragon on Perilous difficulty with my legionnaire (Arrows simply bounce off my guard, doing one(1) damage). I imagine I also could with a few other classes, given the right gear. With some other classes though, there is just no way. I also can't solo Nightmare with any other classes or lvl 20 builds I can think up at the moment besides the legionnaire. In fact, even with a good team behind me on Perilous my archer classes are pretty uselessly squishy, and on Nightmare even my legionnaire god-tank feels very fragile, and I have some of the best gear you can ever get on him. So why the two difficulty levels above Perilous?

 

Is it because you just need to promote the living hell out of your characters so the accumulation of many, many small stat boosts eventually makes your characters tough enough to play at those difficulty levels? If so, how many promotions is it going to take me to achieve this? At first glance, I seem to be looking at 50-100 promotions for each stat, which means thousands of hours of promotion grinding with multiple characters on low difficulties that don't give good loot. Ouch. Also, is there a promotion cap?

 

2. Loot

 

I have heard that you must play on certain difficulties to get the best versions of certain items, and I was able to look this up on the internet, but if I hadn't stumbled on this fact and looked up at which difficulties you can get what, then I would have had no clue. Then there are the instances where I have found multiple copies of the same item, but they are of different levels and have different stats. How do you ever know if you have truly found the best version of an item? Even weirder, you can find two (or more) of the same item, with the exact same level, that look identical in every way except there is a slight difference in the damage they do. What in the world is going on with that?

 

Finally, is the loot you find on Routine and Threatening often a "weaker" version of the same items you will find when playing on higher difficulties? Can some of the best stuff still randomly be found at low levels?

 

Whew! Sorry for this excessively long post, but I had a lot of questions.

[Theghostof_timmy]

1. Promotions help, a lot. It does take a long time and going back to level 1 every time is annoying, but you definitely will notice the difference after a few. As for caps, the average player will never reach them anyway so it doesn't really matter.

 

2. The best weapons in the game are the Hakkon weapons, which you can only get from killing NM dragons. Other than that, all the other weapons can drop from chests. Weapons do have a variable damage range for some reason I cannot fathom, but don't worry too much about them. If you get a better version, use that, but otherwise it matters little.

[Dieb]

First of all: Welcome!

 

 

1. Promoting.

 

I wouldn't know what to tell you here. Honestly, that's pretty goddamn impressive, given you seem to have very low promotions. I can solo Perilous FC with a Legionnaire if I really have the time for it, but I couldn't do jack on my own on Nightmare - and I'd say I'm rather experienced with the MP and its workings so far.

 

I have no idea how you got yourself in that particular spot, but it alone is admirable.

 

That's to say if anything, you're doing more things "right" than a lot of people who'd claim seniority. A lot of my friends have more promotions than I do, and do even worse than myself on Perilous, let alone Nightmare. Promoting is meant to make the game easier by buffing your characters with various stat increases, both offensively and defensively, but soloing effin Nightmare  (a mode which has been added to give overpromoted players a new challenge in the first place) is not exactly the mark for normality.

 

 

2. Loot

 

The items, even set items like Rares and Uniques, will always differ in a few points of Weapon Damage. For example, I have a 148 dmg LBOTG, as well as a 149 and a 150.  That's to say there are differences, the reasons for unbeknownst to me, but they aren't exactly remarkable. Also, as far as I know, the bonus stats are always exactly the same. They may differ on Normal or even Rares, but no duplicate Unique of mine has ever had different Crit % or stat boosts and whatnot.

 

The phenomenon you are probably referring to is Dragon Weapons. There are Rare as well as Unique "of the Dragon" version of each items, but they are randomized, and not exclusive to a difficulty.

 

Lastly, there is a mechanic called item score, which increases the probability of getting stronger items correlating to the amount of chests you've opened on your account.

[McChuggernaut]

First of all: Welcome!

 

soloing effin Nightmare  (a mode which has been added to give overpromoted players a new challenge in the first place) is not exactly the mark for normality.

 

Lastly, there is a mechanic called item score, which increases the probability of getting stronger items correlating to the amount of chests you've opened on your account.

 

Thanks for the welcome!

 

I think you read my post a bit wrong there. I am able to solo the castle and the high dragon on Perilous difficulty with my legionnaire, but only with a very specific lvl 20 build and because I got lucky finding some of the best gear available for a sword and board Legionnaire. I can't solo Nightmare. I can get through Nightmare with a good team backing me, using the legionnaire, but that's it, and not with any of my other characters. 

 

I heard the limit was around the 240,000 gold spent mark. I'm sitting at 247,796. 

 

Thanks for the reply and clarification!

[McChuggernaut]

1. Promotions help, a lot.

 

 

Shoot. Looks like it's time to grind...

 

Sometimes I can get someone to run my lvl 1 through Perilous, but I feel really useless doing that. I can get to level 12 in one run doing that, though. Then I can usually play a round of Threatening difficulty to pick up a couple levels, and then I have enough skills to be useful to a team playing on Perilous, and can usually get to lvl 20 in between 2-3 rounds of Perilous. Even using this method, it takes me at least 6 full games to reach lvl 20. That's like an afternoon of my time. 

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Shoot. Looks like it's time to grind...
 
Sometimes I can get someone to run my lvl 1 through Perilous, but I feel really useless doing that. I can get to level 12 in one run doing that, though. Then I can usually play a round of Threatening difficulty to pick up a couple levels, and then I have enough skills to be useful to a team playing on Perilous, and can usually get to lvl 20 in between 2-3 rounds of Perilous. Even using this method, it takes me at least 6 full games to reach lvl 20. That's like an afternoon of my time. 

Welcome to damp, were everything is a grind....


Unless you glitch..

[K_A_Rnage]

1. Nightmare and Heartbreaker were not designed to be soloed.
I have 200 promotions and only play with lvl 20's and teams of 3+.
A good Lego is a fantastic choice for team play on either difficulty.
Promotions will help improve hp and Crit chance etc.
investing in 50 Rogue promotes will make a difference.
The key for grinding is to have a regular friends list that will let you run lvl 1's in perilous.

2. The gold you have spent will not give you a high chance of top tier gear from chests but there's still a chance.
You do need to push that to 1M.
Dragons on perilous drop lvl 24 loot sometimes
Dragons on NM drop Hakkon's at a decreasing percentage.

Overall the characters are imbalanced at the moment but the devs are working on it.
If you want to invest in Rogues I highly recommend the Duelist.
She can tank and dps with the right build.

Good luck

[McChuggernaut]

Unless you glitch..

 

I thought you couldn't do that any more, and I never learned how anyway.

 

That's not to say I haven't tried to find ways to exploit the system. Having friends run my lvl 1 through Perilous to reach lvl 12 in one go, for instance. Recently, I tried to exploit Nightmare difficulty by starting my own private match on Ferelden Castle and quitting out if the first treasure door in the first area didn't match my player's class. Then I would make new games until it did, running up to the chest, opening it and getting the loot, then letting the enemies kill me. Sadly, I wasn't getting the expected purples and blues I thought I would be. Strangely, when I accidently left a game non-private and some tough players showed up and carried me into the next section before dying, the chests we opened were one purple and two blues...I began to wonder if the number of players on your team increases your chance of getting better items, and this was implemented to stop people from "chest scumming" like I was attempting to do...

 

Edit: Out of curiosity after I posted this erm...post, I tried the same thing on Heartbreaker. I got 4 commons, one blue, and a purple in about 10 minutes. Sure, it was just a spirit rune, but I'm starting to suspect this might actually be viable. Especially since I can usually bust and collect the gold from 4 pots as well if I use walking fortress and counterstrike to survive attacks while I pick stuff up.

 

Edit edit: Nope, not viable. Spent an hour on this and only got 1 purple rune, which might have been just a fluke. It IS useful for  those times when you finish an operation and are just a few gold short of 2,000 for the best chest, since the pots on Heartbreaker contain around 40 gold. Just 3 of those things can net you nearly 120 gold, which is around as much as nugs and money chests do on Perilous.

[K_A_Rnage]

Everything is RNG.
The item levels and possibility of uniques you receive
Is governed by a loot score range from 1-10000 items collected. These are all items from chest, treasure rooms and challenges.
I would imagine there would be lvls at each thousand. Once you break into a new tier you will notice the difference.
Mine is maxed and I regularly get 2 x lvl 24 dragon weapons in superior chests
Being RNG tho, there are still items I haven't seen after 1.5M spent and you'll find that's pretty standard