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[The Heretic of Time]

Nope.

 

I should save this somewhere so I can just copy and paste it. This is a video game. It's a mass-produced product specifically and deliberately designed to be beatable with a reasonable minimum of frustration by players are young as 11 or 12 and of not only average, but significantly below average intelligence and skill.

 

It's a product you, the player, completes by sitting on a couch in an air conditioned room and pressing buttons on a plastic controller or keyboard. That's what a video game is.

 

If you want a more difficult video game, play on a higher difficulty mode. That's what developers put it there for. But the concept of "I'm a more tactical, smarter, more skilled player and therefore deserve a better story' is really very silly.

 

Oh hi David. Long time no see. I really missed your complete and utter bullsh!t posts.

The Mass Effect trilogy is all 18+ (at least where I live) so no, it's not designed to be playable and beatable by 12 years olds and it shouldn't be.

It's because of this sentiment that games are way too easy. Gamers these days are pampered babies who don't like a challenge and just want everything spoon-fed to them. What's the point of playing a game if you don't like the challenge? Why not watch a movie or a Lets Play on YouTube instead?

Difficulty settings these days are stupid and often very poorly implemented. All they do is increase the enemy's health and DPS. It's boring, Me and many other gamers would like to be challenged in different ways. Someone who manages to pull off a difficult feat should definitely be rewarded for it, be it in terms of getting a special item or preferably getting a different story outcome. Games in the 80s and 90s did this all the time and I'd like to see modern games do this sort of stuff again.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

I play games for the journey, the story, not really for the challenge.  That being said, I have no objections to special exclusive unlocked items or whatnot, but definitely would object to story changes based on whether or not I treat game-playing like a second job.  Screw that noise.  I LIKE having a life where I go out, watch movies and attend fairs, come home and snuggle, and overall have a mature and fulfilling life that synergizes well with gaming as a leisure activity, not a passion that requires a minimum of 20+ hours a week to practice and play well.  This is supposed to be my 'fun'.

[The_Shade]

I play games for the journey, the story, not really for the challenge.  That being said, I have no objections to special exclusive unlocked items or whatnot, but definitely would object to story changes based on whether or not I treat game-playing like a second job.  Screw that noise.  I LIKE having a life where I go out, watch movies and attend fairs, come home and snuggle, and overall have a mature and fulfilling life that synergizes well with gaming as a leisure activity, not a passion that requires a minimum of 20+ hours a week to practice and play well.  This is supposed to be my 'fun'.

 

Then the game just needs to have different difficulty settings for casual and hardcore gamers.

[The Heretic of Time]

I play games for the journey, the story, not really for the challenge.  That being said, I have no objections to special exclusive unlocked items or whatnot, but definitely would object to story changes based on whether or not I treat game-playing like a second job.  Screw that noise.  I LIKE having a life where I go out, watch movies and attend fairs, come home and snuggle, and overall have a mature and fulfilling life that synergizes well with gaming as a leisure activity, not a passion that requires a minimum of 20+ hours a week to practice and play well.  This is supposed to be my 'fun'.

 

What makes you think that people who like a challenge in their videogames are people who have no life outside of gaming and treat gaming like a second job? That's complete nonsense.

I spend 2 hours a day on gaming at most. Maybe a little more in the weekends. I have university to attend to and I have a part-time job on top of that. I also work out 3 times a week, I spend 1 hour hiking every day and I go to the occasional party on a monthly or bi-weekly basis. Does that sound like someone who treats gaming like a 2nd job or someone who spends 20+ hours a week on practicing his gaming skills?

You can be (or become) good at gaming without spending 20+ hours a week on games you know. It will just take a little bit longer to reach that skill level than someone who does spend 20+ hours a week on gaming.

It took me 2 years before I managed to beat ME3's MP on platinum, spending no more than 2 hours a week on ME3's MP (often less). Beating platinum was really hard for me, but that didn't stop me from trying, because I like the challenge and I like to be challenged.

[The_Shade]

Why do you think it's an obvious troll thread? Asking BioWare to do choices & consequences better than Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is a perfectly worthwhile point to discuss.

 

In a way it's actually sad that a FPS does c&c better than an RPG, but it is the truth. BioWare could learn a thing or two from CoD:BO2.

 

I agree, it's very sad. Bioware like to promote in their video games that choice and consequence are significant features. It's quite mortifying that a game that is usually sold in large number based on its FPS multiplayer features is actually doing a better job at choice and consequence than Bioware. A company that mainly produces Role Playing Games.  

 

How the mighty are falling. 

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

What makes you think that people who like a challenge in their videogames are people who have no life outside of gaming and treat gaming like a second job? That's complete nonsense.

I spend 2 hours a day on gaming at most. Maybe a little more in the weekends. I have university to attend to and I have a part-time job on top of that. I also work out 3 times a week, I spend 1 hour hiking every day and I go to the occasional party on a monthly or bi-weekly basis. Does that sound like someone who treats gaming like a 2nd job or someone who spends 20+ hours a week on practicing his gaming skills?

You can be (or become) good at gaming without spending 20+ hours on games you know. It will just take a little bit longer to reach that skill level than someone who does spend 20+ hours a week on gaming.

It took me 2 years before I managed to beat ME3's MP on platinum, spending no more than 2 hours a week on ME3's MP (often less). Beating platinum was really hard for me, but that didn't stop me from trying, because I like the challenge and I like to be challenged.

Yes but not everyone is like you.  Not everyone will have the same skill curve or learning curve, nor will they necessarily derive the same satisfaction you do from the process. 

 

Like I said, exclusive items are one thing to show as an achievement.  Story-relevant content is quite another. 

 

Also, I hate to say this, but attending university is not the same thing as RL outside; you're in a very lucky stage of your life right now, and you really have no idea what things are going to be like outside of this point.  Until you have transitioned outside of your current point of life experience, you really have no common frame of reference with those who already gone through the process.  This isn't a dig on you, we've ALL been there. 

 

Anyhow, to continue my comments, any game that did this would end up in my 'do-not-buy' list or trash bin.  I am extremely picky on what I choose to spend my time and money on.  I already lived through my 20's, and I don't need to do it again.

[KaiserShep]

+1 SP should be 5 hours and bioware should focus on MP

 

[The Heretic of Time]

Yes but not everyone is like you.  Not everyone will have the same skill curve or learning curve, nor will they necessarily derive the same satisfaction you do from the process. 

 

Like I said, exclusive items are one thing to show as an achievement.  Story-relevant content is quite another. 

 

Also, I hate to say this, but attending university is not the same thing as RL outside; you're in a very lucky stage of your life right now, and you really have no idea what things are going to be like outside of this point.  Until you have transitioned outside of your current point of life experience, you really have no common frame of reference with those who already gone through the process.  This isn't a dig on you, we've ALL been there. 

 

Anyhow, to continue my comments, any game that did this would end up in my 'do-not-buy' list or trash bin.  I am extremely picky on what I choose to spend my time and money on.  I already lived through my 20's, and I don't need to do it again.

 

I know not everyone is like me. That's what difficulty settings are for. BioWare could still implement what I suggested and not piss off people like you. Just to give an idea from the top of my head:

You're on a rescue mission and you have 5 minutes to rescue as many squad members as possible before a huge bomb explodes. After the 5 minutes are over you have to be clear from the blast zone or else it's game over and you have to try again. Every squad member you didn't  manage to save in those 5 minutes will die. 

Some people will not be satisfied unless they save all squad members. Those people have 2 options.
1) Keep trying until you succeed (this is what I would do).
2) Lower the difficulty setting to make it easier to save all squad members within the time limit (this is something I'd suggest people like you would do).


Dragon Age Inquisition already did exactly this on the Templar path and I loved it, absolutely loved it. It really gave me a sense of urgency and excitement that I rarely feel in games.

 

 

As for your comment about my supposed easy life: What the hell are you talking about? My brother recently finished university and has a full-time job now and he said life only has become easier for him. He doesn't have to worry about money or being in depth anymore, he doesn't have to spend every single evening on doing tons of homework and he can actually afford to buy a proper house now instead of having to live in a student house (like I do).
You really have no idea what my life is like so I don't really appreciate it when you're going of on a rant saying that my life is supposedly easy and will only become more difficult when I graduate, because I highly doubt that.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

^ @HereticOfTime

 

Your brother probably has more free time to play video games too

 

There are some people who treat a game like a second job, and some games encourage this. Specifically MMO's. Offering daily missions that can get you a reward if you spend the 4 hours or so to complete them all. And then there are guilds in these games that state if you don't log on minimum 3 hours each day they'll boot you from the guild.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

As for your comment about my supposed easy life: What the hell are you talking about? My brother recently finished university and has a full-time job now and he said life only has become easier for him. He doesn't have to worry about money or being in depth anymore, he doesn't have to spend every single evening on doing tons of homework and he can actually afford to buy a proper house now instead of having to live in a student house (like I do).
You really have no idea what my life is like so I don't really appreciate it when you're going of on a rant saying that my life is supposedly easy and will only become more difficult when I graduate, because I highly doubt that.

First off, I didn't go off on a rant. 

 

I'm shaking my head right now at your immaturity because you think you know it all already, and I've been in those exact shoes.  "You're not me!  How would you know what I am going through?" is the byline of every 20-something who thinks they are a special and unique snowflake.

 

Secondly, my initial tone was meant to be understanding and sympathetic to your situation, while trying to give you the benefit of advice to open your perspective a little.  You want things to be challenging, that's fine.  You also want to be recognized as being special for being good at a video game, which is... also fine, but might be something you change your mind about in eight or nine years. 

 

The one point I have continued to refute is that your assertion about setting and reaching some kind of performance bar entitles someone to gain something extra from the accomplishment in a game that is bought and paid for by everyone equally (assuming you're not playing a cracked torrent version).  The difficulty is enough enjoyment for its own sake, and you're completely entitled to bragging rights for whatever you do.  What you're not entitled to is determining that anyone not matching your level of enthusiasm and performance in a leisure activity should somehow get less content for their money than you do. 

 

In any case, I wish you well at your studies; I'm sure that you will do well and succeed if your passion and enthusiasm here is any indication of your potential.  Take care.

[The Heretic of Time]

First off, I didn't go off on a rant. 

 

I'm shaking my head right now at your immaturity because you think you know it all already, and I've been in those exact shoes.  "You're not me!  How would you know what I am going through?" is the byline of every 20-something who thinks they are a special and unique snowflake.

 

Secondly, my initial tone was meant to be understanding and sympathetic to your situation, while trying to give you the benefit of advice to open your perspective a little.  You want things to be challenging, that's fine.  You also want to be recognized as being special for being good at a video game, which is... also fine, but might be something you change your mind about in eight or nine years. 

 

The one point I have continued to refute is that your assertion about setting and reaching some kind of performance bar entitles someone to gain something from the accomplishment in a game that is bought and paid for by everyone equally (assuming you're not playing a cracked torrent version).  The difficulty is enough enjoyment for its own sake, and you're completely entitled to bragging rights for whatever you do.  What you're not entitled to is determining that anyone not matching your level of enthusiasm and performance in a leisure activity should somehow get less content for their money than you do. 

 

In any case, I wish you well at your studies; I'm sure that you will do well and succeed if your passion and enthusiasm here is any indication of your potential.  Take care.

 

You're the one who's acting to know it all, thinking you have any idea what my life is like and how I think and feel. Just because your life became more difficult after graduation doesn't mean that's the case for all people.

And no, I don't think I'm a special snowflake at all. I'm not part of the generation-Y hipsters. In fact I despise them and I despise how our society is pandering to the special snowflakes. I don't even want to be a special snowflake nor do I think I'm special for being good at videogames (honestly I don't think I'm all that good compared to most hardcore gamers). I just like to be challenged and I like to be rewarded for it. I don't like it when I get things handed to me on a silver platter for free, I don't want that, not in real-life and not in videogames either. Participation trophies are dumb and meaningless to me.

Your intentions might have been good and I'm sorry for coming off hard on you, but please understand that your comment sounded demeaning and not understanding or sympathetic at all (and honestly I don't even want or need your sympathy because despite the hardships I had to endure my life is actually pretty awesome).

[Feybrad]

Heavens...

[Outspokenbeef]

Jokes aside i think Cod bo2 is the only cod campaign to have choices in it i have played all them except for the recent ones i enjoyed the plot, of course its not groundbreaking and amazing but its still better than most of the new ones

[Quarian Master Race]

They certainly improved the combat, but removed many RPG elements as well, which disappointed many RPG fans. They could have had better combat and still develop a better inventory and crafting system instead of cutting them. They could have then kept the ability to find or make companion gear instead of cutting that RPG element.

ME1's inventory was possibly the worst thing about the game. Hours of turning useless crap into omnigel because every gun and armor functioned exactly the same as the others in its class, but some items were simply outright better than others. ME2 and 3's systems were infinitely superior in every way for what the game is supposed to be, as were the skill trees. They had much more gameplay variety for much less time spent in inventory screens.

I don't remember any crafting elements in ME1, let alone later games. That is a good thing, mind you.
 

It was an action-RPG that happened to be console first, doesn't make it a 'shooter'.  And I felt the first game was superior in interface than the subsequent designs.... for an RPG. 

 

BTW- you're muted. 

It was an action TPS with RPG elements. Far more time is spent pewpewing things to death than doing anything else in game. The combat is unequivocally a shooter, because 99% of the damage you do to enemies is through shooting them, with the powers mostly as a support element (that you needn't even really use as evidenced by Soldier being by far the most popular and the default class). It's simply not a very good shooter because the weapon variety is crap, the accuracy mechanic makes no sense, and there is zero gunplay skill involved other than aiming (no, you don't have to manage heat ever if you are half decent). The fact that this is a series of shooters is further evidenced by subsequent installments going even further in that direction, a trend which should continue. If you want to play Dragon Age, there's a game series called Dragon Age that I think you'd like quite a bit.

Yeah, that'll help you. When someone points out that you're wrong, just ignore them and continue to spew nonsense like a petulant child. Aren't you chastising someone further up the thread for supposedly being immature?

[Ahglock]

I'd love to see what Heretic of Time(awesome name btw) is suggesting in mass effect. It doesn't have to be massive so participation trophies can still be handed out. But this 40 something way past college full time worker would like degrees of success and failure on missions with story based consequences.

[The Heretic of Time]

I'd love to see what Heretic of Time(awesome name btw) is suggesting in mass effect. It doesn't have to be massive so participation trophies can still be handed out. But this 40 something way past college full time worker would like degrees of success and failure on missions with story based consequences.

 

Hey thanks man. I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants to see choices & consequences implemented on a gameplay level rather than simply choosing A or B from a dialogue wheel.

[Jay P]

The natural evolution of this forum will baffle future humans.

They will look at a massively long database, filled with threads titled: "Feedback: Be More Like X in Andromeda, Thoughts?" in which X is a variable. X will represent a reference to every historical figure, fictional character, story, thought, idea, discontinued nerf gun, monkey-typed Shakespeare play and non-optioned Hollywood script in human history. And... if that wasn't enough, each one will be duplicated with X being the thread title of a thread to which the new thread is referring in a giant meta-pancake of logic.

It will read like the writings of Jack Torrence mixed with Dadaism.

Feedback: Be more like Debbie Does Dallas in Andromeda. Thoughts?

[avenging_teabag]

If Mass Effect can learn to implement more detailed and meaningful choice and consequences, I won't look the source 'gift horse' in the mouth, but I personally despise CoD and related shooter games.  Mass Effect to me was at its strongest as a RPG first, before 'streamlining' to appeal to the shooter console crowd. 

Mass Effect hasn't been an RPG since the original game. By this point the franchise is squarely a third person shooter with some space magic thrown in.

 

NOW, the number of people who are pooh-poohing COD games without having the slightest idea what they're talking about, is not really surprising.

[Seboist]

Mass Effect hasn't been an RPG since the original game. By this point the franchise is squarely a third person shooter with some space magic thrown in.

 

NOW, the number of people who are pooh-poohing COD games without having the slightest idea what they're talking about, is not really surprising.

 

No kidding, CoD was a solid game since day one, unlike ME which took three games to get on the same level as Gears of War 1(Well almost, still lacks blindfire).

 

You should see some of the most ridiculous things I've seen on this board from such people, from claiming ME2 has better gameplay to Gears, to slamming JRPGs for being "linear" without any self-awareness.

[avenging_teabag]

^ Well, the hard on people here have for "deep choice" and "meaningful story" (as if either ME2 nor 3 were even in the same orbit as either of those things) really tells the tale of how self aware many of the folks here are.

 

Me, I just want pew pew in spess, choice be damned. They were up to something great with combat mechanics in 3, I want more of that, and story and "choices" can go fly a kite. I don't think Buiware is at this point capable of creating a story that isn't for 12 year olds.

[Seboist]

^ Well, the hard on people here have for "deep choice" and "meaningful story" (as if either ME2 nor 3 were even in the same orbit as either of those things) really tells the tale of how self aware many of the folks here are.

 

Me, I just want pew pew in spess, choice be damned. They were up to something great with combat mechanics in 3, I want more of that, and story and "choices" can go fly a kite. I don't think Buiware is at this point capable of creating a story that isn't for 12 year olds.

 

No kidding, which is why I keep saying that ME should've been a straight up shootbang with a simple story, not some ed wood schlock with faux choices. They should've done away with fluff like femshep, the faux-choices,the tommy wiseau level romances,etc and diverted the resources into refining the gameplay and creating more meaningful content.

 

The core TPS w/ casting gameplay is definitely the best part of the series.

[Ravenfeeder]

ME's combat was fixed in ME2 because the former was terrible design from a company that obviously hadn't done a shooter before.

Some of us prefer ME's combat to ME2 because it relied more on character skill than player skill. That's what made it more of an RPG. Did it need some polish? Sure, but abandoning character skill wasn't the way to do it.

[Catastrophy]

No kidding, which is why I keep saying that ME should've been a straight up shootbang with a simple story, not some ed wood schlock with faux choices. They should've done away with fluff like femshep, the faux-choices,the tommy wiseau level romances,etc and diverted the resources into refining the gameplay and creating more meaningful content.

 

The core TPS w/ casting gameplay is definitely the best part of the series.

 

It's hard to argue with that. I mean Warframe does it a bit similar if you gently overlook having to pick up coloured spheres to feed your powers. But in essence the powers aren't as well designed as in ME. They are sure fun but they are a bit over the line and don't go with the flow. What goes with Warframe's flow is the character manouvers.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

[turuzzusapatuttu]

LARPers and MP haters on the BSN say lots of dumb things.

 

MP lovers on the BSN say lots of dumb things too.