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[Theghostof_timmy]

Copied from a PM I sent.

 

Sure, as for equipment I'm using Bitter Axe (because I don't have Hakkon sword)upgraded with crit damage and cunning, shield of the emperor, superb belt of health, superb cunning amulet, and two crit chance rings. (as you can see, I'm making up for my lowish cunning. If yours is higher you could switch some of that stuff out for damage).

 

Active abilities:

-Upgraded shield bash

-Upgraded unbowed

-Upgraded spell purge

- Shield wall*

 

Passives:

 

Right tree:

-Everything straight down until you get to unbowed, and the max guard passive. I also take combat roll to get to the second guard passive, but again, if your stats are higher you can skip that.

 

Left tree:

-Everything down to and including flow of battle. I also take deep reserves eventually, but this is another skippable one.

-Mage slayer. Can make life on NM much easier.

 

Tactics:

 

-Standard tank sort of role- up in the thick of battle- with a twist. Obviously, keeping your shield facing the enemy is advisable.

-Spell purge is your nuclear option. In perilous and below it's a fairly minor offensive option on its own, because waves are more heavily slanted toward basic infantry/ archers than special units. In NM, magic and buffs abound, to the point that I start cackling when the barriers come up. It appears that every buff applied takes damage separately- example on the horror, barrier is one, damage bonus and damage aura is another, and if buffed by a knight makes a third. For me, each of those hits crits 2k AOE, making up to 6k in a 3 metre radius, per enemy. I can nuke a whole cluster of horrors in one shot. 

- shield bash is great for guard and general damage/knockdown. 

-Unbowed is used as necessary. HoK is NOT necessary thanks to the shield of emperor. Since damage taken to guard triggers the 15% damage taken healing from the shield, any health damage you take can be safely regenerated simply by keeping your guard up.

-Ironically, this build is least effective against demons, because they don't buff each other. SP can be used on wraiths, despair and rage demons, but they rarely group together closely enough to make the AOE really count. It still works well, just not as well as the other two factions.

 

 

*As you can see, I don't have WoH listed. This is partially because my relatively low defensive stats make additional defense abilities necessary, partially to save on stamina, and partially because I like shield wall for some situations. I was playing with Strawhatvoid (a former leaderboarder) the other day and he asked me for my build as well. He has over 120 constitution so he swapped out shield wall for WoH by ditching some defensive passives. This is an option. I'm unsure I would take this option even if I could, because I would always be itching to perform the wombo combo and probably end up out of stamina. 

[MGW7]

Correct me if I'm wrong

Mage slayer only effects WoH, and only in that it effects venatori mages and the boss.

[Samahl na Revas]

I tried that build, not bad. However, it makes me hate the Templar more. Spell purge simply doesn't combo with enough inflicted status vs dispel. Block with shield wall, then spell purge great combo but it is only on one shield unit. Spell purge barrier units = good, but it's very situational.

 

Whereas dispel works on nearly everything if you are quick.  ! I hate the Templar.

[Theghostof_timmy]

Correct me if I'm wrong

Mage slayer only effects WoH, and only in that it effects venatori mages and the boss.

I've never checked the numbers closely or anything, but the description intimates that it's all abilities related to demons- including the passive 10% damage bonus. That's largely what it's for. If somebody actually knows whether this is actually true, I'd be happy to drop the point. Anyways, it affects not just mages but "magical creatures" which includes all the red templar special units like the Horror and Knight, which happen to make up the vast majority of the spawns in NM.

[Snakebite]

Correct me if I'm wrong
Mage slayer only effects WoH, and only in that it effects venatori mages and the boss.

It affects magical creatures. Red Templar Knights, Shadows, Horrors, Behemoths... All fall under this magical creature umbrella.

[Theghostof_timmy]

Spell purge barrier units = good, but it's very situational.

A situation which comes up QUITE frequently on NM. All the NM FC games I've been in have featured large groups of clumped, barriered and/or buffed enemies just waiting to be purged. The fact that the purge damage is AOE is a big part of it- stacking the damage from the multiple enemies is what elevates SP above the rest.

[Drasca]

Wombo combo, shield wall/shield bash all the things!

[Wavebend]

Wombo combo, shield wall/shield bash all the things!

 

Do you even play anymore? Is yarpen gone as well? Think i'll just give ME3MP a try

[Yallegro]

http://forum.bioware...xpansion/page-1

 

superior build

 

Timmy I think you are way too powerful, I mean Shield Wall but no combo? That makes no sense at all

 

Here's another good one I have yet to write down

 

Blessed Blades tier2

Wrath of Heaven tier2

Spell Purge tier1

Unbowed tier2

 

The way I do it it has it all by lvl 16

[ThatBruhYouDK]

http://forum.bioware...xpansion/page-1

 

superior build

 

Timmy I think you are way too powerful, I mean Shield Wall but no combo? That makes no sense at all

 

Here's another good one I have yet to write down

 

Blessed Blades tier2

Wrath of Heaven tier2

Spell Purge tier1

Unbowed tier2

 

The way I do it it has it all by lvl 16

I mean, I'd rather go Shield Wall, Shield Bash, WoH and Spell Purge, at least if you want to Wambo Combo. Your don't need Unbowed when they give you Shield Wall as a starter, it is strong enough to defend with. And blessed blades, maybe if you have too low cunning for Flow of Battle, but I prefer Shield Bash for the knockdown and immense damage

[KalGerion_Beast]

http://forum.bioware...xpansion/page-1

 

superior build

 

Timmy I think you are way too powerful, I mean Shield Wall but no combo? That makes no sense at all

 

Here's another good one i have yet to write down

 

Blessed Blades tier2

Wrath of Heaven tier2

Spell Purge tier1

Unbowed tier2

 

The way I do it it has it all by lvl 16

Why bother with the combo?  When it roughly does as much damage as 1 dragon rage hit and has that long of a cooldown, it just seems to fruitless.  

 

I run my Templar as a support build.  Same build as Timmy's, but swap shield wall for bodyguard.  It works pretty well.  Break guard instantly, dispel all the things with barriers/magical buffs, and give some healthy damage reduction to teammates.  

 

Obviously reliant on teammates to do most of the killing, but then again she's playing support, not berserker.  

[Yallegro]

I mean, I'd rather go Shield Wall, Shield Bash, WoH and Spell Purge, at least if you want to Wambo Combo. Your don't need Unbowed when they give you Shield Wall as a starter, it is strong enough to defend with. And blessed blades, maybe if you have too low cunning for Flow of Battle, but I prefer Shield Bash for the knockdown and immense damage

 

That's definitely an option, you switch Horn of Valor for Shield Bash. That still makes me think Horn of Valor is better for overall dmg, defense and stamina management

 

I think Blessed Blades + Unbowed is effective even at very high cunning and it is standard skill like Shield Wall

 

Unbowed is also much easier to use for dmg reduction and knockdown prevention

[ThatBruhYouDK]

That's definitely an option, you switch Horn of Valor for Shield Bash. That still makes me think Horn of Valor is better for overall dmg, defense and stamina management

 

I think Blessed Blades + Unbowed is effective even at very high cunning and it is standard skill like Shield Wall

 

Unbowed is also much easier to use for dmg reduction and knockdown prevention

Lego was my first guy I played so I got used to Shield Wall fast

[Yallegro]

Why bother with the combo?  When it roughly does as much damage as 1 dragon rage hit and has that long of a cooldown, it just seems to fruitless.  

 

I run my Templar as a support build.  Same build as Timmy's, but swap shield wall for bodyguard.  It works pretty well.  Break guard instantly, dispel all the things with barriers/magical buffs, and give some healthy damage reduction to teammates.  

 

Obviously reliant on teammates to do most of the killing, but then again she's playing support, not berserker.  

 

Derp what. Combo hits for 5k dmg, 12K critical hits for me

 

It hits a lot more enemies than Dragon Rage, it stuns, it does bonus dmg with Mageslayer, it wipes away barriers and mines

 

I'm not saying she'll do more dmg than the reaver but she'll do her part.

 

It is not because you have a damage specialist that the other classes should stop doing damage

 

edit: long cooldown time is reasonable with Flow of Battle, more so with Blessed Blades

[KalGerion_Beast]

Derp what. Combo hits for 5k dmg, 12K critical hits for me

 

It hits a lot more enemies than Dragon Rage, it stuns, it does bonus dmg with Mageslayer, it wipes away barriers and mines

 

I'm not saying she'll do more dmg than the reaver but she'll do her part.

 

It is not because you have a damage specialist that the other classes should stop doing damage

 

edit: long cooldown time is reasonable with Flow of Battle, more so with Blessed Blades

5k hits are frequently met with the Reaver.   And when the reaver can hit that constantly I dont see why I should try to shoe in another class to add more damage (at a much reduced capability).  I'd rather spend my limited skill selections and ability points towards something else other than damage.  Templar can fulfill other roles than damage much more efficiently.    

[ruggie]

Payback strike, challenge, body guard and blesed blade

[SpaceV3gan]

Why bother with the combo?  When it roughly does as much damage as 1 dragon rage hit and has that long of a cooldown, it just seems to fruitless.  

Wombo combo hits for 20-32k on NM for me. Dragon Rage hits for 4.8-6k damage. While I am quite buffed by promotions, if my combo did less damage, my Dragon Rage would also do less damage.

Despite having a long-ish cooldown, the combo will kill pretty much everything that can be hit by it. By the time you get to another cluster of enemies, it should be available again.

[Theghostof_timmy]

http://forum.bioware...xpansion/page-1

 

superior build

 

Timmy I think you are way too powerful, I mean Shield Wall but no combo? That makes no sense at all

 

Here's another good one I have yet to write down

 

Blessed Blades tier2

Wrath of Heaven tier2

Spell Purge tier1

Unbowed tier2

 

The way I do it it has it all by lvl 16

I guess you didn't read the whole thing. I said I keep shield wall and a couple of defensive passives because my constitution and willpower aren't very high and I need them. I also mentioned what can be swapped out if you want WoH. I posted this because people who have seen it in action have asked me for it. Your know-it-all attitude is beginning to grate a bit.

[Yallegro]

I guess you didn't read the whole thing. I said I keep shield wall and a couple of defensive passives because my constitution and willpower aren't very high and I need them. I also mentioned what can be swapped out if you want WoH. I posted this because people who have seen it in action have asked me for it. Your know-it-all attitude is beginning to grate a bit.

 

No I did read it

 

It's just you're either really powerful or you're running a survivor build with a touch of support.

 

The point of which is to survive while relying on others to win the game or get you through it in less than an hour.

 

That's not a strategy that should be advocated to the general public, like advising alchemists to stay in stealth to survive rather than add any damage.

 

Your build would work in a very specific situation alongside your strong friend

 

So if you call this "how to templar on NM" I do take issue

 

 

Also: My "know it all" attitude my vanish if you stop insisting I have it

[Theghostof_timmy]

No I did read it

 

It's just you're either really powerful or you're running a survivor build with a touch of support.

 

The point of which is to survive while relying on others to win the game or get you through it in less than an hour.

 

That's not a strategy that should be advocated to the general public, like advising alchemists to stay in stealth to survive rather than add any damage.

 

Your build would work in a very specific situation alongside your strong friend

 

So if you call this "how to templar on NM" I do take issue

 

 

Also: My "know it all" attitude my vanish if you stop insisting I have it

My stats are in my signature, the only one relatively high is cunning at 84, the others are below 50. Hardly "super powerful". It's very survivable. Of course you need support, it's a co-op game- trying to run Templar as some kind of pure DPS is stupid. You need some DPS and CC if you can but that's it, really. And frankly, the "general public" shouldn't be in NM anyway.

 

Also: Sorry to burst your bubble, but writing stuff like "my build is superior" and "derp wat" (which is only on this thread alone, if I actually looked at the rest of your posts there would be plenty more) is definitely in arrogant know-it-all territory. I think you secretly know this, because I don't believe I have ever addressed you directly before, so I can hardly be "insisting you have it".

[Yallegro]

Well I didn't read those

 

Srry to presume you had high stats

 

I did not suggest you run the templar as a DPS machine

 

I did not suggest you run without support

 

 

You have Shield Bash as a damager, which with low stats cannot do a good job on NM as a damager (relative to other classes and WoH combo), so why did you take it?

 

You have two skills that do nothing in terms of support or damage and can only help you stay alive

 

You have Spell Purge as the only support option, which has a long cooldown time especially relative to Dispel which would fill the same role. It could have been a good damager but that's a bit crippled without WoH

 

If I'm not mistaken it also takes a long time to get Unbowed and Spell Purge so this build would only come together at a high lvl, doing only what it does then.

 

So you get something like this

 

 

Damage 5/10

 

Support 5/10

 

Surviving 8-9/10

 

average 6/10

 

Compare that to Horn of Valor + Spell Purge for support

Spell Purge + Wrath of Heaven for crowd control and damage

Horn of Valor + Shield Wall + Wrath of Heaven for surviving

 

 

Maybe the general public shouldn't be in NM, but then what are you?

 

 

I do hope to able to stop the arrogant tone one of these

[Theghostof_timmy]

Well I didn't read those

 

Srry to presume you had high stats

 

I did not suggest you run the templar as a DPS machine

 

I did not suggest you run without support

 

 

You have Shield Bash as a damager, which with low stats cannot do a good job on NM as a damager (relative to other classes and WoH combo), so why did you take it?

 

You have two skills that do nothing in terms of support or damage and can only help you stay alive

 

You have Spell Purge as the only support option, which has a long cooldown time especially relative to Dispel which would fill the same role. It could have been a good damager but that's a bit crippled without WoH

 

If I'm not mistaken it also takes a long time to get Unbowed and Spell Purge so this build would only come together at a high lvl, doing only what it does then.

 

So you get something like this

 

 

Damage 5/10

 

Support 5/10

 

Surviving 8-9/10

 

average 6/10

 

Compare that to Horn of Valor + Spell Purge for support

Spell Purge + Wrath of Heaven for crowd control and damage

Horn of Valor + Shield Wall + Wrath of Heaven for surviving

 

 

Maybe the general public shouldn't be in NM, but then what are you?

 

 

I do hope to able to stop the arrogant tone one of these

Shield bash is actually more of a support ability in my case. I use it mainly for the knockdown and heavy guard damage, with the odd combo detonation when they arise. Spell purge though, is better than it immediately appears. The upgrade is capable of doing a quite a bit of AOE spirit damage with multiple buffed enemies, which happens a lot against red templars in particular in NM. Try it before you knock it. Again though, much of my build is focused on surviving because of my relatively low stats. If you do have higher stats, or have a dedicated barrier class, you can dispense with some of the defensive abilities in favor of WoH for instance. When I was playing NM though I was with a reaver and 2 duelists mainly, so I need a little bit of extra toughness.

[TheThirdRace]

I don't understand, why do you pick on Timmy? TIMMY! (Sorry South Park reflex...)

He didn't present "his" build as the Holy Grail of Templar builds. He put up a build that was respectable for low stats on Nightmare and explained that with better stats you could replace thing. He even went a step further by telling which abilities could be replaced and by what.

I'll ask again, why the hell do you pick on Timmy? (TIMMY! sorry had to do it...)

[Yallegro]

I don't understand, why do you pick on Timmy? TIMMY! (Sorry South Park reflex...)

He didn't present "his" build as the Holy Grail of Templar builds. He put up a build that was respectable for low stats on Nightmare and explained that with better stats you could replace thing. He even went a step further by telling which abilities could be replaced and by what.

I'll ask again, why the hell do you pick on Timmy? (TIMMY! sorry had to do it...)

 

Is this what you mean?

 

Spoiler

 

I'm not trying to pick on anyone

 

I questioned some of the skill choices

 

Suddenly I'm forced to prove I'm not a retarded, bullying know-it-all

[TheThirdRace]

I'm not trying to pick on anyone
 
I questioned some of the skill choices
 
Suddenly I'm forced to prove I'm not a retarded, bullying know-it-all

You're not forced to prove anything, why would you think that?

You can question some of the skill choices all you want, I'm just saying your words are poorly chosen and the tone is pretty much trying to discredit him. You sound like Snake Bite VS Drasca on the Virtuoso, whichever Cold Beats or Power Chords were better, we don't freaking care which power you use as long as it works.

Timmy made valid arguments and counter arguments, you still went ahead and argued like a fan boy. Just let it be, we know you disagree, that's fine, now can we move on please?