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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope we can import what we did during the Shepard Trilogy into the new games. 

[SagaX]

Dont think so. Doesn't seems logical at all. What happened in Milky Way happened in MilkyWay. Whats going to happen in Andromeda will happen in Adromeda independently.

Maybe you can ask Bioware that some old elements could be exported, like Sheppard's N7 armor, or some weapons. Things that have no history or plot relation by themselves. Or your character facial designe.

Ps: I hope the new hero also comes with a team of some old aliens. But well, new galaxy, new lifeforms.

[LoRD KYRaN]

I hope there is an import. If the ARK theory proves right, there is no reason at least some of the choices made can't be represented. That being said, those choices shouldn't affect critical parts of missions.

Personally, I want it more for the sentimental reasons. I don't want Shepard or the massive fight against the Reapers all forgotten. I think it's safe to say that that war was one of the most impactful things to happen to the Milky Way. Granted ME:A is a new game probably set a few generations into the future but even then, that conflict should not and would not have been forgotten. Especially if we're in ME:A thinking the Reapers killed everyone back I'm the Milky Way.

So I really do hope that some of the actions taken and choices made by Shepard are referenced in ME:A. Even if all it is is a few extra lines here and there.

Btw, on a side note, the Keep is necessary and a better way of importing considering that there were many console players who purchased ME on old-gen systems. It would be unfair to noT have a keep like program so that their choices can be imported when playing on new -gen consoles.

[AlanC9]

Bio is aware of its self created mess with DA and will design future ME games with the intent to avoid such easily preventable problems. Thus game architects will ensure the following:
 
1. No loose variables from one game to the next. Proper ID tags will be present for all characters and NPCs of interest including their choices and contacts and game paths taken.
 
2. Writers will be aware of item 1, when writing dialogue for game 2... n.
3. The game ending  save will contain all necessary TAG Information to allow the next game to setup its world state
4. Future game design will allow the importing of CC custome faces.
 
With the above done properly, a ME KEEP becomes superfluous. Also, Andromeda can have Codex entries pointing to the "home galaxy" as simple historical information, for those fanbase groups interested in continuity between the Old and the New. Importing is avoided with the Codex entries "clean".

I don't check you on this. I think they're going to abandon save imports and go with a Keep-like system in the future, though possibly reading in data from the existing saves. Remember, the Keep lets you fix stuff that you got wrong in the saves for the previous game. It sounds nice to pretend that you just won't make any more programming mistakes in future games, but it would be a mistake to believe that you really won't ever make any more mistakes.

[dreamgazer]

Yes, but only if you invited Kelly Chambers to dance for you at the end of ME2 and kept her alive in ME3.

[ckriley]

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I can't quite grasp your reason for clinging to the trilogy events. The Shep story ended. That particular pocket universe, that we call Shep (for want of another name)  in the Mass Effect IP is done. It is no more.

 

ME:A is new. It is designed as a Mass Effect game, with new characters, new worlds, new friends, new LIs... Understand that ME:A is not Shep's universe. It now belongs to someone else.

Well, that's exactly my point.  I'm arguing in favor of NOT having imported save games because there's no way they could feasibly do it due to the reasons I stated.  Way too many variables that each offer dramatically different consequences and outcomes.

 

I don't know how they are going to connect MEA with the original trilogy, but importing a save game would not be it.

[olnorton]

Yes, but only if you invited Kelly Chambers to dance for you at the end of ME2 and kept her alive in ME3.

Cool, I did that.
And now that we are part synthetic, she'll be able to dance all night without getting tired.

[dreamgazer]

And now that we are part synthetic, she'll be able to dance all night without getting tired.

 

Pshhh. She could do that already, good sir. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Btw, on a side note, the Keep is necessary and a better way of importing considering that there were many console players who purchased ME on old-gen systems. It would be unfair to noT have a keep like program so that their choices can be imported when playing on new -gen consoles.

 

Nope.

 

ME:A does not need anything imported from the old trilogy and ME3 already has such a program. No Keep necessary at the moment.

[Jen-Yu]

   Mike Gamble once suggested that "it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep your ME3 saves." so I am still keeping it in any case.

[DaemionMoadrin]

   Mike Gamble once suggested that "it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep your ME3 saves." so I am still keeping it in any case.

 

Two other devs said the opposite.

[Pee Jae]

I said it when I was finally able to log into the Keep; we need one of these for Mass Effect. They can call it the Citadel Archives. It would even allow us to "canonize" our endings from ME3. Obviously, this can't have much of an impact on Andromeda, but it would be a cool way of having made your decisions matter. NPCs or squadmates could reference when Shepard destroyed the Reapers or fundamentally changed all life in the Milky Way or, "I heard Shepard controls the Reapers now. Wow."

 

If it does take place during ME3, then they could talk about the state of things before they left the Milky Way. "Scuttlebutt is Shepard found another Rachni Queen!" "That's BS. Shepard killed the last Rachni Queen."

 

Things like that. That's my take anyway.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I said it when I was finally able to log into the Keep; we need one of these for Mass Effect. They can call it the Citadel Archives. It would even allow us to "canonize" our endings from ME3. Obviously, this can't have much of an impact on Andromeda, but it would be a cool way of having made your decisions matter. NPCs or squadmates could reference when Shepard destroyed the Reapers or fundamentally changed all life in the Milky Way or, "I heard Shepard controls the Reapers now. Wow."

 

If it does take place during ME3, then they could talk about the state of things before they left the Milky Way. "Scuttlebutt is Shepard found another Rachni Queen!" "That's BS. Shepard killed the last Rachni Queen."

 

Things like that. That's my take anyway.

 

Would be easier to go the KotOR 2 route then. At the beginning of the game, have a conversation about rumors pertaining to the previous game (Was Revan male or female, did they go Sith or help the Republic etc) and you can set the record straight... so the game will reference those facts and decisions.

 

Although I don't really see a reason why there should be references to ME1-3 in ME:A at all.

[Sanunes]

The problem with any real import in Andromeda is most of the choices that we made in the first three Mass Effect games don't mean anything if we aren't playing Shepard or their crew.  There are a few choices that are more galaxy building, but if those get acknowledged I think it will open up a lot of "why don't our choices matter" threads.

 

My stance is I want to see something like The Keep created only to record our choices in Andromeda and have nothing to do with the first three games.

[N7Jamaican]

It's like 50% of this forum has accepted that we are moving on from Shepard and the original games, and the other 50% still hasn't accepted it.  The devs keep telling us, Shepard's story is done.  I am 100% confident there isn't any connection from ME1-3 to ME:A.  No save imports needed.

[MrFob]

The problem with any real import in Andromeda is most of the choices that we made in the first three Mass Effect games don't mean anything if we aren't playing Shepard or their crew.  There are a few choices that are more galaxy building, but if those get acknowledged I think it will open up a lot of "why don't our choices matter" threads.

 

My stance is I want to see something like The Keep created only to record our choices in Andromeda and have nothing to do with the first three games.

 

Why is that? I think it would be nice if the new game does move on but if we still may just hear a reference or two that takes our old choices into account. Say a few Krogan standing around and reminiscing about their old clans in the Milky Way, mentioning wither Wrex or Wreav or something like that.

I really think it would give the game more of a feel that it was rooted in the franchise, even if it does move into a new direction. No great impact on the story, just a few little nods here and there.

[N7Jamaican]

Why is that? I think it would be nice if the new game does move on but if we still may just hear a reference or two that takes our old choices into account. Say a few Krogan standing around and reminiscing about their old clans in the Milky Way, mentioning wither Wrex or Wreav or something like that.

I really think it would give the game more of a feel that it was rooted in the franchise, even if it does move into a new direction. No great impact on the story, just a few little nods here and there.

 

They can do all of that without doing saves, by making small decisions canon (shudders)... No need to do save imports for a minor conversation about a Krogan talking about the good ol' Milky Way days.

[Sanunes]

Why is that? I think it would be nice if the new game does move on but if we still may just hear a reference or two that takes our old choices into account. Say a few Krogan standing around and reminiscing about their old clans in the Milky Way, mentioning wither Wrex or Wreav or something like that.

I really think it would give the game more of a feel that it was rooted in the franchise, even if it does move into a new direction. No great impact on the story, just a few little nods here and there.

 

The problem with only approaching it with giving a nod to the past to me is it would be a reminder of the problems of Mass Effect 3.  To me the game would be better with a clean break from the past games and the baggage they bring even if it means losing the association of it.

 

To me it is a lot like having Joe Pecsi in the fourth Lethal Weapon movie, he was a nod to the past, but at the same time it felt like it hurt the movie for they had to find a reason for him to be there.

[N7Jamaican]

The problem with only approaching it with giving a nod to the past to me is it would be a reminder of the problems of Mass Effect 3.  To me the game would be better with a clean break from the past games and the baggage they bring even if it means losing the association of it.

 

To me it is a lot like having Joe Pecsi in the fourth Lethal Weapon movie, he was a nod to the past, but at the same time it felt like it hurt the movie for they had to find a reason for him to be there.

 

This.

[God]

Yes and no to the idea.

 

I think yes, it's definitely possible, and even desirable in some ways. We all want to know what became of the universe we left behind right? Still, I think we're going to leave that behind and not get any real answers, if the story follows the arc theory (where we left for Andromeda before the end of ME3), so the characters are likely unaware of what has transpired in the Milky Way.

 

But I don't think that they're going to do so. Andromeda is their break from the established universe, their 'fresh start' to speak. They trapped themselves with the existing universe, so they've decided to switch the setting by moving time and space to a new destination.

 

I think after this game is when we'll see a 'save import' system akin to DA Keep. I think BW has figured that a series of stand alone titles work better than a continuing arc/trilogy/story for their games. 

[MrFob]

@Sanunes & N7Jamaican

 

Well, it's a matter of taste I guess. To me it would be nice to have the connection. Whatever problems the trilogy had, it did happen and with all it's troubles, it is still what set the foundation for this universe and what drew us all into it. So I would be against pretending it never happened. If you do, you might as well start a new IP with a similar visual style.

I mean, we always had codex entries about the history of the races. Unless the Ark left before the trilogy ever started, how are you going to write those properly? You'd have to be very vague in a lot of places.

 

I am also fully against cannonizing choices, especially if we are just talking about some small nods. Either they should use the saves or they should avoid talking about it at all, IMO. I'd prefer the save though. It's not like it's a bog deal to read some variables, at least on PC. The only thing might need a lot of work is to transfer the saves between console generations (frigging consoles, still holding back things ). So if that is the issue and they don't want to spend the time, I'd accept that argument. Otherwise, i think it'd be nice though.

[Gramorla]

every DA game has another mainchar.. but  DA:2 has savegame import and DA:I the keep. When bioware need a clean break from ME3 and Shepard ... why not start a new franchaise or reboot?

 

Nope it is ME. And it is playing in the ME 1-3 "dimension". Even if many player still have the end of  ME3 not "processed", it's part of the franchaise and don't go away while ignoring it.

 

As long as ME:A is not called a reboot, its most likely that there are some kind of keep.

 

I'm no fan of the ME3 endings (i think there suited more for a book or movie ending), but there neither so traumatic bad as some ppl claim.

[N7Jamaican]

every DA game has another mainchar.. but  DA:2 has savegame import and DA:I the keep. When bioware need a clean break from ME3 and Shepard ... why not start a new franchaise or reboot?

 

Nope it is ME. And it is playing in the ME 1-3 "dimension". Even if many player still have the end of  ME3 not "processed", it's part of the franchaise and don't go away while ignoring it.

 

As long as ME:A is not called a reboot, its most likely that there are some kind of keep.

 

I'm no fan of the ME3 endings (i think there suited more for a book or movie ending), but there neither so traumatic bad as some ppl claim.

 

It is a reboot.  It's not a sequel or prequel.  Which didn't BioWare confirm ME:A is not a prequel as well?  Only way I'd want save imports is if it ME:A and ME1-3 ties together.

[MrFob]

It is a reboot.  It's not a sequel or prequel.  Which didn't BioWare confirm ME:A is not a prequel as well?  Only way I'd want save imports is if it ME:A and ME1-3 ties together.

 

But we don't really know yet how exactly the stories tie together at all. Personally, I do expect that they will tell us how we get to Andromeda. I cincerely hope they want just start the game, say "here you are" and leave it at that. Now that would be disappointing.