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AnUnculturedLittlePotato

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Good grief why does Iron bull's thing need me to kill a dragon q.q
So my question is MAINLY about weather the hinterlands dragon would be easier than trying to get to and glitch the highland ravager. (I would also want breeding grounds so...ishmael? Oww. D:)
I guess it's also about if the hinterlands dragon is the easiest technically. Isn't there also an energy barrage glitch for that one too?
Edit: Should probs mention I'm a level 14 qunari Knight enchanter. Don't have true grit or healing pots OR the extra potion slot.


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what difficulty are you playing on?
on normal it's fine at level 14. If you want to just easily kill it just changed the difficulty to easy. Bull isn't my first choice to bring to any dragon fights, I usually prefer ranged characters. But yeah he does get a hugeeee approval if you bring him. 
If you're knight enchanter it should be no problem anyway. just keep your barrier up and keep whacking ti with your sword. 
The ads are the most annoying things on that battle, but if you bring maybe Solas as well he should be able to round them up with his control spells and AOE them. 

I've never glitched any of them myself.



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I've always found the Crestwood dragon to be the easiest because she doesn't summon dragonlings and because she doesn't seem to do strafing runs all over the place. She does build guard, but your warriors should be able to get through that easily enough. I like to play through zones (except for the dragons) before moving on to the next, so I'm usually pretty overleveled by the time I get to Crestwood, though.


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I've always found the Crestwood dragon to be the easiest because she doesn't summon dragonlings and because she doesn't seem to do strafing runs all over the place. She does build guard, but your warriors should be able to get through that easily enough. I like to play through zones (except for the dragons) before moving on to the next, so I'm usually pretty overleveled by the time I get to Crestwood, though.

 

I think that both the Crestwood and Western Approach dragons are much much easier than the Ferelden Frostback. (The Hinterlands dragon is the only one I wouldn't try to solo or two-man, actually... my initial unspoiled totally clueless 'Oh look a dragon maybe I'll just wander up to it with no real gear and see what happens...' attempt at fighting it was VERY traumatic. :-/)


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I think that both the Crestwood and Western Approach dragons are much much easier than the Ferelden Frostback. (The Hinterlands dragon is the only one I wouldn't try to solo or two-man, actually... my initial unspoiled totally clueless 'Oh look a dragon maybe I'll just wander up to it with no real gear and see what happens...' attempt at fighting it was VERY traumatic. :-/)

My characters die fighting the Fereldan Frostback not because of the dragon (well, yes, because of the dragon, but indirectly), but because she gets dragonlings and Red Templars to join the party. We'll be chilling out under the ledge trying to avoid the huge gouts of flame when we'll get gacked by a dragonling/Red Templar I never saw coming. Yeah, I know there are red dots on the minimap, but somebody - usually Bull or Blackwall - will get all crazy and go tearing off across open ground and get blasted with fire, so I get distracted.

 

I don't solo dragons.

 

Ah, that first clueless dragon fight! Mine was that one who begins with a K in the Emprise du Lion. I knew the dragon was there, but I thought it would be a fire dragon, so I brought ice staves. Oops. Noped it all the way back to the Tower Camp!


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I would suggest the Abysal High Dragon, in the Western Approach, to take Bull with. Since it is part of a quest line (Fredrick whatshisface :blush: ), it gives a nice RP segue into Bull's after-fight scenes. He also has - I believe - one or two small extra lines with that dragon. But I also feel it is the easiest dragon to take down (with Crestwood's being a close second).

Just my .02, though. ;)

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My characters die fighting the Fereldan Frostback not because of the dragon (well, yes, because of the dragon, but indirectly), but because she gets dragonlings and Red Templars to join the party. We'll be chilling out under the ledge trying to avoid the huge gouts of flame when we'll get gacked by a dragonling/Red Templar I never saw coming. Yeah, I know there are red dots on the minimap, but somebody - usually Bull or Blackwall - will get all crazy and go tearing off across open ground and get blasted with fire, so I get distracted.

 

I don't solo dragons.

 

Ah, that first clueless dragon fight! Mine was that one who begins with a K in the Emprise du Lion. I knew the dragon was there, but I thought it would be a fire dragon, so I brought ice staves. Oops. Noped it all the way back to the Tower Camp!

 

I've never once encountered red templars during a dragon fight, and that's on multiple playthroughs and picking both mages and templars as allies.



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I agree with above comments. Crestwood or Western Approach dragons are the easiest ones. Even though Fereldan Frostback is the lowest level, she actually the most annoying to fight.

 

I've never once encountered red templars during a dragon fight, and that's on multiple playthroughs and picking both mages and templars as allies.

I've met templars once in my multiple pts. You just need to be unlucky to get them.



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As everyone else, Crestwood is easiest, Western Approach requires a ton of quests before hand.

 

Unlike others here, I always get red templars popping up during my Ferelden Frostback fight.



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Ah wonderful I thought I was alone in thinking that the FF was actually annoying as...bad words D:

 

what difficulty are you playing on?
on normal it's fine at level 14. If you want to just easily kill it just changed the difficulty to easy. Bull isn't my first choice to bring to any dragon fights, I usually prefer ranged characters. But yeah he does get a hugeeee approval if you bring him. 
If you're knight enchanter it should be no problem anyway. just keep your barrier up and keep whacking ti with your sword. 
The ads are the most annoying things on that battle, but if you bring maybe Solas as well he should be able to round them up with his control spells and AOE them. 

I've never glitched any of them myself.

I'm playing on hard for the achievement so that's not quite an option.

Would you guys consider crestwood/ ABH do be easier or harder than grabbing breeding grounds and glitching the highland ravager. I mean it would take 9 million years to fight the highland ravager at level 14 but since I'll rarely take damage it should just be a battle of patience.



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So, maybe I'm just a better player (god does that sound arrogant), but I am failing to see the problem here. I killed every high dragon on nightmare, and only the lightning dragons with their damn static thing that makes you take high damage just from standing within 12 feet of someone else ever gave me trouble. Especially the storm coast one, taking on a level 19 lightning dragon at level 16 was not fun. F*ck lightning dragons! Ah, I'm getting off point. Bottom line, they're not that difficult. Just play right, bring a mage with the right element, have a good build with some decent defensive options like at least one champion or knight enchanter (someone hard to kill), and kick its ass. Unless it's a lightning dragon, in which case you're probably stuck killing it by yourself because that stupid static move makes fighting it with allies harder than fighting it alone.

 

Summed up: They're not that bad even on nightmare and you're scaring yourself for nothing, and screw lightning dragons with a 12 foot magic wand and hate the hell out of them (also, not a bad idea to make custom armor that greatly resists lightning just for these dickheads).



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So, maybe I'm just a better player (god does that sound arrogant), but I am failing to see the problem here. I killed every high dragon on nightmare, and only the lightning dragons with their damn static thing that makes you take high damage just from standing within 12 feet of someone else ever gave me trouble. Especially the storm coast one, taking on a level 19 lightning dragon at level 16 was not fun. F*ck lightning dragons! Ah, I'm getting off point. Bottom line, they're not that difficult. Just play right, bring a mage with the right element, have a good build with some decent defensive options like at least one champion or knight enchanter (someone hard to kill), and kick its ass. Unless it's a lightning dragon, in which case you're probably stuck killing it by yourself because that stupid static move makes fighting it with allies harder than fighting it alone.

 

Summed up: They're not that bad even on nightmare and you're scaring yourself for nothing, and screw lightning dragons with a 12 foot magic wand and hate the hell out of them (also, not a bad idea to make custom armor that greatly resists lightning just for these dickheads).

Yeah you are just a better player. I remember the FF nearly wiping me at level 16 on normal.



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In terms of the battle itself, the easiest to defeat is the Northern Hunter (Crestwood) followed by the Abyssal High Dragon (Western Approach). But both require some side questing in order to access the dragon.

 

I'd rate Crestwood as the easier/more fun of the side quests. The Abyssal is just a bunch of go-fetch quests, and since the beasts you have to fetch from don't always drop the thing you want, it's aggravating. In Crestwood, if you do it without glitching, you fight through a fort. If you do it with glitching, there's a path around the fort directly to the dam where you drain the lake. Draining the lake wakes the dragon and sets up the battle.

 

The lowest difficulty dragon that has the easiest access, no side questing required, is the Greater Mistral in Emerald Graves, but that battle is the first one I'd rate as difficult, unless you are suitably geared and leveled up -- excepting the Fereldan Frostback of course, which is presented out of sequence in terms of difficulty. No dragonling adds in the Greater Mistral battle, but it has that nasty one-shot AoE instant death landing attack. You can open the Emerald Graves and ride mounted to the dragon battle area without fighting anything in between -- though, that is not to say such a ride is easy. It took me a few tries to figure out a path that avoids a rift that's in the way, not to mention a few Freeman of the Dales roadblocks. It helps to have both of the dismount buffs from Perks, but you don't need them. If you get dismounted by a Freeman archer, just run like hell away from the encounter, preferably in the direction of the dragon. :)

 

If anyone is interested, I can do a run and take a screenshot of the path on the Emerald Graves map.

 

The Sandy Howler is actually even easier to access, just a simple mounted ride with a much simpler path through the Hissing Waste, but it is a much more difficult battle, 8th out of the standard 10, where the Mistral is 5th. You can even avoid fighting the Wyverns that guard the entrance, if you jump your horse down at the right place.



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Summed up: They're not that bad even on nightmare and you're scaring yourself for nothing, and screw lightning dragons with a 12 foot magic wand and hate the hell out of them (also, not a bad idea to make custom armor that greatly resists lightning just for these dickheads).

It's true, they're not hard. Even without proper team you can emerge victorious.

But! Fereldan Frostback is definitely more annoying than Abyssal High Dragon and Northern Hunter. It's about what she can do. She can summon Dragonlings, she flies away and shots fireballs at you, she breaths fire while flying, she sits in a place where melees can't access her, occasionally Red Templars get in a way, she runs away as her health drops. Comparing to that guard generating Abyssal High Dragon and Northern Hunter are just small puppies dragonling. 



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Yeah you are just a better player. I remember the FF nearly wiping me at level 16 on normal.

 

What?! You're playing with the horrible and abysmal friendly fire on that OBJECTIVELY makes the game worse and far far cheaper than it should be? Turn that sh*t off, are you trying to make your game worse?



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What?! You're playing with the horrible and abysmal friendly fire on that OBJECTIVELY makes the game worse and far far cheaper than it should be? Turn that sh*t off, are you trying to make your game worse?

I think FF meant Fereldan Frostback...

Sorry if i'm wrong...



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I've never once encountered red templars during a dragon fight, and that's on multiple playthroughs and picking both mages and templars as allies.

It's conditional. I can't swear that these are the pre-conditions and sequence, but they are roughly equal to the setup in my 2nd PT where I did encounter red templars on the way to the Frostback dragon battle.

 

Complete East Road Bandits

Open the Dusklight Camp

LEAVE THE AREA/Hinterlands without entering the Frostback battle area

Complete Champions of the Just/In Hushed Whispers

Return to the Frostback battle area where the dragonlings spawn

 

I found the red templars around a dwarven loot chest somewhat near/below the area where the oculara is. Presumably, with the smuggling operation still going strong, you could run into red templars in the actual battle area as well. You can find them there AFTER defeating the dragon in that area, if you haven't looted it clean (I think -- I usually loot it clean).



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I think FF meant Fereldan Frostback...
Sorry if i'm wrong...


You know, that might... Yeah.
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I agree with Northern Hunter (Crestwood) and Abyssal High Dragon (Western Approach) being the easiest High Dragons.



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Crestwood is especially easy if you take two mages with dispel (or Cassandra with spell purge). 



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Crestwood is especially easy if you take two mages with dispel (or Cassandra with spell purge). 

 

Waitwaitwaitwait... WAIT! You mean... To tell me... That dispel gets rid of the lightning circle thing that lightning dragons do? Are you... ******* kidding me? That simple spell takes out the thing that makes lightning dragons 10 times harder than other types :o?


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Waitwaitwaitwait... WAIT! You mean... To tell me... That dispel gets rid of the lightning circle thing that lightning dragons do? Are you... ******* kidding me? That simple spell takes out the thing that makes lightning dragons 10 times harder than other types :o?

 

It's one of the reasons I liked my 2H  Templar.  Spell Purge makes those circles go bye bye. 



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Waitwaitwaitwait... WAIT! You mean... To tell me... That dispel gets rid of the lightning circle thing that lightning dragons do? Are you... ******* kidding me? That simple spell takes out the thing that makes lightning dragons 10 times harder than other types :o?

Pain is your friend. You don't like pain? Go and learn dispel!



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Pain is your friend. You don't like pain? Go and learn dispel!


All my mages know it! I just never thought to use dispel on it...

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All my mages know it! I just never thought to use dispel on it...

And people never thought to use revive on corpses and look where we are now :D
...I wonder what other spell mechanics have yet to be found.


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