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[BIOWARE] one month later and the exploiters continue to exploit


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It has been approximately one month since the release of the hakkon patch. As most of us know, it was after that patch when players started creating glitched lobbies where everyone in the said lobby would gain approximately four times the normal rate of exp. Below are some quotes from different people I play with on Xbox1 that do not post on the forums:

 

1. "I did not want to participate in the glitched lobbies at first but when I was grouped with someone who had 100 hours less playing time and higher stats than me I started joining the glitched lobbies too"

2. "If Bioware is not going to ban people over this glitch why shouldn't I take advantage of this"

3. "I quit because of the exp glitch. It cheapened everything I did" -formally ranked top ten player

4. "I stopped caring about the leaderboards. I can not keep up with the amount of people cheating"

5. "I can tell you right now the players actively participating in the glitched lobbies. I see them all the time in random pugs"

6. "I can't join a quick match without the lobby being bugged"

 

 

 

The quotes from the players leads me to post sections of EA's terms of service found in section 11 rules of conduct:

 

- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game

 

- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items

 

-Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats

 

 

 

It is clear from EA's terms of service creating a glitched lobby, and participating in one (aka accessory to the exploit) directly violates the terms of service.

 

From my observations there are approximately twelve players on Xbox1's top twenty five who abuse the exp glitch regularly. Three of the players have gained approximately 210 promotions each over the last three weeks and are new to the top twenty five.

 

My point is the cheating is rampant on and off the leaderboards.  Players who want to play by the rules are quitting and are becoming frustrated at the lack of apparent fix and or punishment on Bioware's part.

 

In the end, I would like a reply from Bioware on what their vision of a correction is. Does Bioware's future vision of DAMP include allowing players to keep their glitched promotions? Will players creating the lobbies ever be banned? These are some questions I as a DA player would like to know because if the way I think a fix should happen and Bioware's implementation of the fix do not match, I can move on to another game sooner rather than later.

 

Lastly, I respect the amount of work and dedication Billy and the rest of his staff have put into DAMP. I know their plates are full and the exp bug is not the only thing they have to deal with. I think your staff has done a tremendous job at creating a multiplayer game that has kept a lot of people coming back. Kudos to you all.


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Personally, I don't care about my rank, but I understand those who do (I take this hobby just as seriously, only in a different way, after all) and appreciate the clear and descriptive way you voiced your concern.

 

I just somehow feel the need to add that the hunt for cheaters can go very wrong and backfire, last experienced in the Dark Souls 2 community. More than half of my friends where put on a cheater island server with no way to ever get back in contact with "normal" players again - at some point it was enough to be in the same world with a cheater, or worse, having been invaded (PvP attack, outside of your control) by one. Also bear in mind that in DKS2 that meant people who were playing directly against you being near invincible.

 

What I'm saying is, I support that something should be done for the sake of general fairness, but after all this, I'd rather have less than more vigilance on the topic for the above mentioned reasons. Especially in a case where only your competetive motivation suffers, rather than your active game experience. I'd hate to see you and similarly thinking players actually leaving  the game for that.


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I find it disheartening that a fix hasn't been made or that an official stance on consequences for using the exploit hasn't been outlined. Luckily, I have a non-glitching static group that I play with, so I don't have to worry too much about glitching pug groups. However, when I do have to do it, pugging has been awful lately. I waste so much time getting into a group, only to break a pot and see that double gold pop up. When I see it, I leave the lobby instantly and hope that I won't be wasting my time with the next pug. If I didn't have a regular group of people I play with, I would've quit the game by now.


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oh here we go again.


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We've gone over this before, Denrok. - "It has already been stated by Bioware folks (more than once) that they are looking into the exploit issue. Carrying on with this forum based anti-exploit crusade will yield no desirable results, as regurgitating what's already been said over and over tends to simply irritate people (especially those tasked with fixing the problem).".
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still it is very sad.... it is a shame that the community has been split over this, the way that it has..... but I can only assume that the development team in DAMP has a way or is thinking of a way to balance things out, a lot of changes while radical and awkward changes, now seem normal..... with as much time as I have spent in this game I am sure every hing will normalize ..... it may be later then sooner but it will, I am just praying patch #9 is as awesome as I hear and will bring some broken hearts back to the game.


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I like how OP refers to it having been one month as though that is some kind of unreasonably long time to pin down and resolve an exploit. Or that resolving an exploit that isn't hurting anyone should ever be considered as important as literally any other priority about a video game.


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It's become so bad on PS3 that I have quit joining PUGs in favor of creating my own lobbies, and have to ignore game invites from a significant portion of my friend list. When I do create a public game, odds are high that someone will ask if I want to glitch the lobby; got called a ****** the other day because I refused. The leaderboard is completely broken at this point, it's only purpose being an easy tool for tracking glitchers.


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This thread needs more haccusations. Where is Pork when we need him?

 

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We've gone over this before, Denrok. - "It has already been stated by Bioware folks (more than once) that they are looking into the exploit issue. Carrying on with this forum based anti-exploit crusade will yield no desirable results, as regurgitating what's already been said over and over tends to simply irritate people (especially those tasked with fixing the problem).".

Well, I can appreciate your comment and that upsetting the Dev's is not something any of us really want to do. However, I feel you are missing a few important points on this subject. 

 

1. The forums are an outlet, for both good and sometimes the bad. It is a place where the community can voice both joy and unhappiness with game related issues. The most basic reason behind a forum is allowing players this voice to be heard by the Dev's but also so players will not build up frustrations and take them out on other players in a more confrontational way. After all words are words, and not actions. I'd rather see a billion posts about the XP glitch than see players acting openly hostile in a game or abusive in chat/parties. The forum allows for some of your frustrations to be vented and I do not see this as a bad thing.

 

2. While not upsetting the Dev's is always good and should be a part of common courtesy/manners. The XP glitch is not some minor issue for the community. While you are correct that the glitch has no direct bearing on my characters or my gameplay when grouped with like non-glitchers, it does have an impact on the community, our friends, and the value structure that a lot of people use when playing a game. (i.e. time = effort/skill = value) The Dev's know this, and rightfully should be more worried about upsetting the community. They have stated a fix is ready and only needs to be implemented with the patch, which I appreciate and hopefully will be in effect soon. 

 

However, wither it is a legal issue or some other policy, the Dev's or whoever is truly in charge of handling issues like these, have not given the level of communication that people deserve or expect. After all in real life would society just sit back and let a government be silent or only give the bare minimum of communication in regards to hot button issues... No the media (the forums are our media) would continue to push and probe for information and answers until society was satisfied. Sometimes this will not happen, as it should be; I mean I don't want military strategy broadcast before it is implemented. However, with DAMP we are not talking military strategy.

 

In parting, for anyone that think this is solely a leaderboard issue you are wrong. I have several friends not even on the leaderboard and the inability to quick match into a non-glitched lobby is causing a lot of people who do not have a static or play at times when their static is not on to not play as much and to weaken some friendships. The game probably will go on, as most large successful titles do, but the community does deserve a true ETA on the fix, and an idea of what discipline if any will be enacted.


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 I am just praying patch #9 is as awesome as I hear and will bring some broken hearts back to the game.

 

You think people rage quitting because of cheating make up more broken hearts than people angry about discontinued support X360/PS3??

 

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It has been approximately one month since the release of the hakkon patch. As most of us know, it was after that patch when players started creating glitched lobbies where everyone in the said lobby would gain approximately four times the normal rate of exp. Below are some quotes from different people I play with on Xbo1 that do not post on the forums:

 

1. "I did not want to participate in the glitched lobbies at first but when I was grouped with someone who had 100 hours less playing time and higher stats than me I started joining the glitched lobbies too"

2. "If Bioware is not going to ban people over this glitch why shouldn't I take advantage of this"

3. "I quit because of the exp glitch. It cheapened everything I did" -formally ranked top ten player

4. "I stopped caring about the leaderboards. I can not keep up with the amount of people cheating"

5. "I can tell you right now the players actively participating in the glitched lobbies. I see them all the time in random pugs"

6. "I can't join a quick match without the lobby being bugged"

 

 

 

The quotes from the players leads me to post sections of EA's terms of service found in section 11 rules of conduct:

 

- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game

 

- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items

 

-Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats

 

 

 

It is clear from EA's terms of service creating a glitched lobby, and participating in one (aka accessory to the exploit) directly violates the terms of service.

 

From my observations there are approximately twelve players on Xbox1's top twenty five who abuse the exp glitch regularly. Three of the players have gained approximately 210 promotions each over the last three weeks and are new to the top twenty five.

 

My point is the cheating is rampant on and off the leaderboards.  Players who want to play by the rules are quitting and are becoming frustrated at the lack of apparent fix and or punishment on Bioware's part.

 

In the end, I would like a reply from Bioware on what their vision of a correction is. Does Bioware's future vision of DAMP include allowing players to keep their glitched promotions? Will players creating the lobbies every be banned? These are some questions I as a DA player would like to know because if the way I think a fix should happen and Bioware's implementation of the fix do not match, I can move on to another game sooner rather than later.

 

Lastly, I respect the amount of work and dedication Billy and the rest of his staff have put into DAMP. I know their plates are full and the exp bug is not the only thing they have to deal with. I think your staff has done a tremendous job at creating a multiplayer game that has kept a lot of people coming back. Kudos to you all.

 

Shhh they'll censor you for speaking your mind by blatantly abusing their ToS when it suits them to silence the rabble-rousers.  ;)

 

Don't question why the game is broken, only praise the game if you know what's good for you.


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If they were serious about doling out punishment, they should have started a month ago - right from the get-go.  They could have stopped the glitch from ever spreading.  Instead, they were silent, and the glitch metastasized.

 

I think their silence means they are more concerned about releasing a hard fix and hoping after that, everyone will just forget it ever happened.

 

I also think that it is fair to say that if they are still silent 3 weeks after the new DLC is released, there won't be any punishment.


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Shhh they'll censor you for speaking your mind by blatantly abusing their ToS when it suits them to silence the rabble-rousers.  ;)

 

Don't question why the game is broken, only praise the game if you know what's good for you.

 

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Really, kid?

 

That's going to be your new persona in here now?


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yep   I am the jerk on my friend list and take abuse for not wanting the glitch. I landed in some games and skipped the best part of the grind. run run run and then promote past any fun levels  then do it again! getting less invites to NM now because my hard work they do in 1/4 the time



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Really, kid?

 

That's going to be your new persona in here now?

 

 

It seems you are abusing me by claiming I'm a kid. This is a punishable offense, please only refer to me as Sir or Mr. from now on.


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I'm sorry. I'm having trouble understanding how this is ruining the enjoyment of the game for people that don't want to exploit....

 

I've read things like (paraphrasing) "I can't play as much anymore because the glitched lobbies are so rampant."

 

Why? I'm aware you don't want to exploit. Neither do I. But when you do happen to get into a glitched lobby, how does it ruin the game for you? Does leveling faster make the game less enjoyable? I don't think so. 

 

Simply requesting action from the devs is cool and all, but crying that you can't play the game sounds like a bunch of baby back BS to me. You're going out of your way to complain. 

 

Also, if you're playing on PS3 or Xbox 360. You might as well just quit if you don't want glitched lobbies ever. Hasn't it already been stated that there is no longer support for those consoles? Upgrade to a next gen console or PC. 


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I agree with Denrok1. 

 

Anyone who has used this exploit should be banned for life or promotions reset to ZERO because it breaches the ToS. 

 

I'm all about ToS now seeing as I'm a warrior of Injustice.... errr... I mean Justice.


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I agree with Denrok1. 

 

Anyone who has used this exploit should be banned for life or promotions reset to ZERO because it breaches the ToS. 

 

I'm all about ToS now seeing as I'm a warrior of Injustice.... errr... I mean Justice.

 

LIES!

 

I would bet there is some part in the rules of this very forum about making thread after thread after thread after thread on the exact same thing as opposed to using one of the already exiting ones.  You have openly supported this blatant rule violation.  You sir....are a fraud!


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LIES!

 

I would bet there is some part in the rules of this very forum about making thread after thread after thread after thread on the exact same thing as opposed to using one of the already exiting ones.  You have openly supported this blatant rule violation.  You sir....are a fraud!

 

You are right NextArishok308!

 

This thread is in clear violation of ToS and must be reported! 



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This thread is clearly defined as harassment towards Bioware for actually asking them to fix something that they broke.

 

It should be reported, and everyone who has posted in this thread should be reported as well.


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I'm sorry. I'm having trouble understanding how this is ruining the enjoyment of the game for people that don't want to exploit....

 

I've read things like (paraphrasing) "I can't play as much anymore because the glitched lobbies are so rampant."

 

Why? I'm aware you don't want to exploit. Neither do I. But when you do happen to get into a glitched lobby, how does it ruin the game for you? Does leveling faster make the game less enjoyable? I don't think so. 

 

Well, maybe I won't play in a glitched lobby because I have integrity and I value honesty. Sure, it's just a game, but I don't cheat.  So yes, getting into a glitched lobby does ruin the game for me.

 

I wouldn't mind the leveling faster aspect if it was a blanket application to the game to which every player had equal access. But instead it is an exploit which is abused.


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Everyone on this sub has turned into some sort of old curmudgeon. It's actually really entertaining. Stay salty my friends.

 

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Everyone on this sub has turned into some sort of old curmudgeon. It's actually really entertaining. Stay salty my friends.

 

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this is a personal attack that has been attempted to be balanced by usage of the word "friends".  You gave it the ole college try, BUT "You have been weighed. You have been measured. You have been found wanting."


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this is a personal attack that has been attempted to be balanced by usage of the word "friends".  You gave it the ole college try, BUT "You have been weighed. You have been measured. You have been found wanting."

 

I felt abused and harrassed by that image of the old man. 

 

Especially in a thread that is about upholding the ideals of everything ToS. 

 

Please don't defile this thread with humour. 


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