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[Katiefrost]

I come from a state where subsistence hunting is a normal part of life. I've eaten plenty of game meat too. But I was outraged when I heard the story of this cowardly dentist. It really embarrasses me that he's an American. Stupid trophy hunters.

[Dobbysaurus]

If there's anything that truly matters to me and makes me really mad or sad, it's the senseless killing of animals. A person has to be completely mental to find joy in killing such a beautiful animal like Cecil. 

[Cassandra Saturn]

we all heard about this.. a month ago.

[Fishy]

I also hate the fact that they call him a hunter. Hunter my ass.

[LPPrince]

I also hate the fact that they call him a hunter. Hunter my ass.

 

Dumb, more like.

[leighzard]

Killing for sport is inexcusable.  We need laws that ban trophy hunting.

Apparently Delta has banned trophies as cargo.  Baby steps.

 

While I don't think I could ever intentionally kill an animal with fewer than 6 legs (and let's be honest, I'm to frightened to kill most of those), I at least understand hunting for game.  My family members who hunt eat a whole lot of venison.  But to shoot something to display it is just wrong.  Why don't you take a nice video of a live lion and display it on loop on a flat screen in your office instead?

[Cassandra Saturn]

Killing for sport is inexcusable.  We need laws that ban trophy hunting.
Apparently Delta has banned trophies as cargo.  Baby steps.
 
While I don't think I could ever intentionally kill an animal with fewer than 6 legs (and let's be honest, I'm to frightened to kill most of those), I at least understand hunting for game.  My family members who hunt eat a whole lot of venison.  But to shoot something to display it is just wrong.  Why don't you take a nice video of a live lion and display it on loop on a flat screen in your office instead?

that's what i'd do. i'd record it and then run it in loop on my screen

[Killdren88]

Sad, but as the saying goes **** happens.

[General TSAR]

I'm indifferent toward the lion.

 

However the dentist was a ****** for not obtaining a permit.

 

Killing for sport is inexcusable.  We need laws that ban trophy hunting.

Yeah, not gonna happen, at least not in the USA.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Hunting for game is 100% more ethical than going to Mc Donald's and ordering a burger or chicken wings. The meat in that food comes from animals that were born, lived and died under condition's most people couldn't even imagine in their worst nightmares.-  Every time you buy such food you approve of treating animals like crap for profit. 

 

I have no problem with somebody killing a lion if....

 

A.) The meat is used 

b )The killing is done clean and ethical - that means not with a bow hunting but with a rifle where death is quick and painless. 
C) It does not hurt the future survival of the population in any way 

 

Don't forget, people were doing this for thousands of years, hunting has not become something terrible all of a sudden. Trophy hunting is awful and despicable tough. 

[Fidite Nemini]

Unsanctioned killing of any endangered species should be illegalized, regardless of the actual act of killing taking place outside a protected habitat. Consequently, poachers should be extradicted to face criminal charges in court and under law belonging to the state in whose locale the crime took place.

 

That killing animals, especially endangered ones, is still considered sport in some places these times with so many species dying out due to environmental negligence is a testament to how stupidly backwards contemporary cultures are.

 

Hunting for subsistence is one thing (and usually heavily restricted on top for the exact purpose of regulating local animal populations to sustain a somewhat healthy eco-system), killing for shits'n'giggles so you can mail a head as trophy on a wall and have a pelt-rug in your living room is a plain power trip to feed egoes.

 

Despicable.

 

 

If you want to kill, join the park rangers and hunt down the various illegal poachers and ivory smugglers. Test your mettle against game of that sort if you need the thrill, these guys can and will shoot back which should serve even better for that adrenaline rush. Otherwise, do the world a favour: buy yourself a copy of Duck Dynasty and shut yourself in your basement.

[Katiefrost]

we all heard about this.. a month ago.

I know this memorial thread comes a bit late, but better late than not at all.

[Cassandra Saturn]

Unsanctioned killing of any endangered species should be illegalized, regardless of the actual act of killing taking place outside a protected habitat. Consequently, poachers should be extradicted to face criminal charges in court and under law belonging to the state in whose locale the crime took place.
 
That killing animals, especially endangered ones, is still considered sport in some places these times with so species dying out due to environmental negligence is a testament to how stupidly backwards contemporary cultures are.
 
Hunting for subsistence is one thing (and usually heavily restricted on top for the exact purpose of regulating local animal populations to sustain a somewhat healthy eco-system), killing for shits'n'giggles so you can mail a head as trophy on a wall and have a pelt-rug in your living room is a plain power trip to feed egoes.
 
Despicable.
 
 
If you want to kill, join the park rangers and hunt down the various illegal poachers and ivory smugglers. Test your mettle against game of that sort if you need the thrill. Otherwise, do the world a favour: buy yourself a copy of Duck Dynasty and shut yourself in your basement.

Amen. Preach on Nem

[Simfam]

Even Steve Martin was a better human being.

 

[Simfam]

On a serious note.

 

I'm glad this has blown up to the way it is.

 

More people need to know that this stuff is wrong.

 

And from the thousands who will forget about it the next time a big story comes up.

 

I am sure a hundred will carry on to help out.

 

ffs.

 

Just thinking about living in a world without animals like Lions, Rhinos or Gorillas makes me sick to my stomach.

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm indifferent toward the lion.

However the dentist was a ****** for not obtaining a permit.

He did obtain a permit and was perfectly legal to hunt the lion. It was highly unethical that the guides that he had hired went to the outskirts of the preservation reserve and lured the lion from there, but it is undeniable - the dentist legally killed the lion by all national and international laws.

I don't support the idea of hunting an endangered species just for fun, but the guy didn't do anything illegal (even if what he did was morally reprehensible).

[Simfam]

He did obtain a permit and was perfectly legal to hunt the lion. It was highly unethical that the guides that he had hired went to the outskirts of the preservation reserve and lured the lion from there, but it is undeniable - the dentist legally killed the lion by all national and international laws.

I don't support the idea of hunting an endangered species just for fun, but the guy didn't do anything illegal (even if what he did was morally reprehensible).

 

Wasn't Cecil protected?

 

I'm pretty sure you can't get a permit to hunt a protected lion.

 

Unless I'm wrong.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Anybody know the movie: The ghost and the Darkness? 

 

You should watch it. 

[Fidite Nemini]

 

Just thinking about living in a world without animals like Lions, Rhinos or Gorillas makes me sick to my stomach.

 

Damn straight.

 

A cynic might say humanity conquered this planet because we were the most murderous bunch in the savannah, a more moderate point of view would be we were the most adaptable, but if we can't use millenia worth of progress to stop being savages, I can't honestly say we actually evolved into something other than merely better killers.

 

 

 

He did obtain a permit and was perfectly legal to hunt the lion. It was highly unethical that the guides that he had hired went to the outskirts of the preservation reserve and lured the lion from there, but it is undeniable - the dentist legally killed the lion by all national and international laws.

I don't support the idea of hunting an endangered species just for fun, but the guy didn't do anything illegal (even if what he did was morally reprehensible).

 

Just because the printed letters matched up with the situation don't literally make the action unlawful, hunting in protected areas is illegal. Luring animals from within such protected areas outside so you can technically kill them without violating justice's fine print is blatantly violating the spirit of the law, which is a judicidal paradigm since it's impossible to predict every possible permutation of a criminal act.

 

As such, the killing in this situation is de facto illegal. Any jurisdiction saying otherwise is not acting in accord with the intent of the law.

[slimgrin]

I think social media has picked on this guy enough already. What he did was wrong but the guides bear some responsibility as well. People need to chill and let the legal process take care of him. 

[General TSAR]

He did obtain a permit and was perfectly legal to hunt the lion. It was highly unethical that the guides that he had hired went to the outskirts of the preservation reserve and lured the lion from there, but it is undeniable - the dentist legally killed the lion by all national and international laws.

I don't support the idea of hunting an endangered species just for fun, but the guy didn't do anything illegal (even if what he did was morally reprehensible).

I thought the Zimbabweans said he didn't have a permit?  

 

I think social media has picked on this guy enough already. What he did was wrong but the guides bear some responsibility as well. People need to chill and let the legal process take care of him. 

Yeah the frenzy is just over-blown, this is a legal dispute, let the appropriate authorities take care of it. 

[Simfam]

Damn straight.

 

A cynic might say humanity conquered this planet because we were the most murderous bunch in the savannah, a more moderate point of view would be we were the most adaptable, but if we can't use millenia worth of progress to stop being savages, I can't honestly say we actually evolved into something other than merely better killers.

 

You do mean "a moron" right?

 

I agree tho'

 

Edit:

 

Oh wait.

 

I read that wrong.

 

3:45am

 

Hahaha....

 

Carry on.

[Fast Jimmy]

Wasn't Cecil protected?

I'm pretty sure you can't get a permit to hunt a protected lion.

Unless I'm wrong.

You can't be a protected wild animal, you can only live in a protected area. He was in a preserve, but the guides the dentist hired lured Cecil out of the protected area. The hunters are currently facing charges for doing this, as that is illegal.

But shooting a lion outside of a preserve is legal if you have the right licenses. And this guy spent tens of thousands of dollars to receive them.

[Simfam]

You can't be a protected wild animal, you can only live in a protected area. He was in a preserve, but the guides the dentist hired lured Cecil out of the protected area. The hunters are currently facing charges for doing this, as that is illegal.

But shooting a lion outside of a preserve is legal if you have the right licenses. And this guy spent tens of thousands of dollars to receive them.

 

Then I was wrong.

 

I hope Luffy beats him up though.

 

Or somebody.

 

Really really really bad.

[Vroom Vroom]

I had to: 

 

 

Anyway, the way in which he went about "hunting" was incredibly wrong.