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[DEUGH Man]

It's amazing how upset people get over this while they just gloss over how cruel we treat the animals that we eat. The difference between hanging the head or eating the head seems pretty irrelevant. The animals we eat suffer more and for much longer. I guess it's much easier to witch hunt one guy instead of changing our ways of life, though. All I'm saying is if you eat meat, you are just as guilty as this guy, and with that in mind, I can't persecute the guy because I do eat meat. We all have a hand in killing animals, whether it's living in houses that destroyed habitats or, like I said, eating them. Drawing the line at trophy hunting is 100% arbitrary.

[Commander Rpg]

I don't support the idea of hunting an endangered species just for fun, but the guy didn't do anything illegal (even if what he did was morally reprehensible).

In fact, just because a thing is legal or illegal, it doesn't mean it's a good or bad thing. Death sentence is legal in the US and a lot of people think it's a good thing, and maybe get shocked for an animal's death. Yes, the answer would be "that man/woman is less than an animal", but frankly it's just idiocy.

[Staufer]

I believe y'all might take an interest in this excerpt from an interview.

 

George Stephanopolous: Did you murder Cecil in cold blood?

Dr. Palmer: The only guilty party are the undercover photographers who are trying to entrap me and they have been completely unsuccessful. That's why they are showing these highly edited photographs to be sensationalized. It's completely taken out of context... The folks behind this, in fact, are part of the most militant wing of the anti-hunting movement that has been behind, you know, the bombing of hunting farms... That's what actually needs to be -- to be looked at.

 

I strongly encourage you to read the whole article. 

 

oh i'm gonna be so hated for this

[Han Shot First]

It's amazing how upset people get over this while they just gloss over how cruel we treat the animals that we eat. The difference between hanging the head or eating the head seems pretty irrelevant. The animals we eat suffer more and for much longer. I guess it's much easier to witch hunt one guy instead of changing our ways of life, though. All I'm saying is if you eat meat, you are just as guilty as this guy, and with that in mind, I can't persecute the guy because I do eat meat. We all have a hand in killing animals, whether it's living in houses that destroyed habitats or, like I said, eating them. Drawing the line at trophy hunting is 100% arbitrary.

 

There is a big difference between killing an animal for food and killing an animal solely for sport. In each the animal is equally dead, but in the former at least it's death provides life for another animal (in this case...humans). 

 

Trophy hunters are killing animals not for sustenance, but just because the animal's suffering and death provides them with entertainment.

 

That isn't to say that some farm practices don't need to change or that we couldn't do a better job at slaughtering livestock humanely.

[DEUGH Man]

There is a big difference between killing an animal for food and killing an animal solely for sport. In each the animal is equally dead, but in the former at least it's death provides life for another animal (in this case...humans). 

 

Trophy hunters are killing animals not for sustenance, but just because the animal's suffering and death provides them with entertainment.

 

That isn't to say that some farm practices don't need to change or that we couldn't do a better job at slaughtering livestock humanely.

 

Eh, like I said, the distinction doesn't really make much of a difference to me. We don't have to eat animals to survive, as there are other ways to attain the things we get from eating them. We eat them because we like to eat them. It's just odd to me where people draw the line. The funny thing is, if we ate lions instead of cows, we probably wouldn't have a problem with finding methods of repopulating them., you know? As it is, we don't have a use for them, save for occasional entertainment.

[daveliam]

Eh, like I said, the distinction doesn't really make much of a difference to me. We don't have to eat animals to survive, as there are other ways to attain the things we get from eating them. We eat them because we like to eat them. It's just odd to me where people draw the line. The funny thing is, if we ate lions instead of cows, we probably wouldn't have a problem with finding methods of repopulating them., you know? As it is, we don't have a use for them, save for occasional entertainment.

 

It comes down to two things:

 

1.)  Hunting just for sport versus subsistence hunting.  Humans are predators by nature.  It's part of our biology.  We eat animals because we need those nutrients to be healthy.  Can humans turn to completely vegetarian diets?  Individuals can, but we don't have the resources for the species to do so.  Hunting for sport doesn't provide any of that.  It's literally killing for the sake of killing.  It's a totally different situation and not comparable.  Again, as other people have said, there should be more strict humane regulations when it comes to the meat industry.  But that doesn't negate how shitty this situation is.

 

and

 

2.)  The hunting of endangered species is really not acceptable.  You can make an argument in the case of bushmeat (where indigenous people have relied upon a species as a food source and, because of other human activity, that species has become endangered).  But the killing of an endangered species for sport is pretty vile.  Regardless of how "cute" the species is.  And the fact that this guy is using a technicality (someone else who he paid lured the lion out of its protected habitat in order to kill it, so he technically didn't violate any laws) shows that he really doesn't give a **** about what he did.   There are plenty of non-endangered animals that can be hunted, but it doesn't have the 'cool factor' that killing an endangered species does.

[Killdren88]

Yeah its sad. Doesn't stop me from enjoying meat.

[Clover Rider]

That isn't to say that some farm practices don't need to change or that we couldn't do a better job at slaughtering livestock humanely.

See that's something I do wish more people would do.

 

I feel if we are going to eat animals we should still give them better care and respect in their short lives and make sure their deaths are as painless as can be.

 

Hunting for sport is just cruel and pointless.

[Farangbaa]

This annoys me in many ways. Sure, it's awful the lion was shot... but:

Spoiler

holy crap that picture came out huge... spoiler tags for the win.

[Han Shot First]

Eh, like I said, the distinction doesn't really make much of a difference to me. We don't have to eat animals to survive, as there are other ways to attain the things we get from eating them. We eat them because we like to eat them. It's just odd to me where people draw the line. 

 

That's not entirely true. Humans, like bears or our chimpanzee cousins, are omnivores. We're designed to have some meat in our diet, even if we choose not to. While people have the option today of removing meat from their diet and living healthy lives, you need to do research first and it can be hard to get all the nutrients you need. Its a lot more work to be a vegan basically, because you're working against how nature designed you. We're not natural herbivores.

 

In short going vegan is never going to be for everyone. 

[Clover Rider]

I always hear those stories of vegans going to doctors and them telling them to eat more meat because their diet is not healthy enough.

[Farangbaa]

That's not entirely true. Humans, like bears or our chimpanzee cousins, are omnivores. We're designed to have some meat in our diet, even if we choose not to. While people have the option today of removing meat from their diet and living healthy lives, you need to do research first and it can be hard to get all the nutrients you need. Its a lot more work to be a vegan basically, because you're working against how nature designed you. We're not natural herbivores.
 
In short going vegan is never going to be for everyone.

Apes nearly murder each other for raw meat, if they can get their hands on it. That's how good it is for ape species.

(I don't have to tell cooked meat is even better... right?)

[DEUGH Man]

Thanks for the civil replies so far. Most people would've called me an idiot by now. I just feel like we treat the animals around us with such cruelty that it doesn't make sense to get so angry at one man for being cruel to one animal. It's hard for me to make sense of it all when it all leads to the same action. Same results, just different motives.In the end, it is true that humanity as a whole will never completely stop eating meat. O just feel like the whole picture needs to be looked at, and we need to hold ourselves to the same standards as we hold others.

[Simfam]

See that's something I do wish more people would do.

 

I feel if we are going to eat animals we should still give them better care and respect in their short lives and make sure their deaths are as painless as can be.

 

Hunting for sport is just cruel and pointless.

[daveliam]

Thanks for the civil replies so far. Most people would've called me an idiot by now. I just feel like we treat the animals around us with such cruelty that it doesn't make sense to get so angry at one man for being cruel to one animal. It's hard for me to make sense of it all when it all leads to the same action. Same results, just different motives.

 

This one just hit a nerve for the general public because the lion happened to be a 'celebrity' and people knew who he was.  Just goes to show how often people circumvent laws in order to kill endangered species and we have no idea about it.

 

Did you know that 96 elephants are killed everyday for their ivory?  And, if this continues at this rate, they might be extinct in the wild within the next 10 years? 

[Simfam]

I believe y'all might take an interest in this excerpt from an interview.

 

George Stephanopolous: Did you murder Cecil in cold blood?

Dr. Palmer: The only guilty party are the undercover photographers who are trying to entrap me and they have been completely unsuccessful. That's why they are showing these highly edited photographs to be sensationalized. It's completely taken out of context... The folks behind this, in fact, are part of the most militant wing of the anti-hunting movement that has been behind, you know, the bombing of hunting farms... That's what actually needs to be -- to be looked at.

 

I strongly encourage you to read the whole article. 

 

oh i'm gonna be so hated for this

 

Yeeeaahhh....

 

No.

[DEUGH Man]

See that's something I do wish more people would do.

I feel if we are going to eat animals we should still give them better care and respect in their short lives and make sure their deaths are as painless as can be.

Hunting for sport is just cruel and pointless.

I do feel like there is some sort of natural element to hunting, though. The thrill of it, at least. We are the descendants of hunters, after all. It's a unique experience, and I get why people would want to do it.

Then again, I guess the same thing could be said for murder, too. : /

[Han Shot First]

Thanks for the civil replies so far. Most people would've called me an idiot by now. I just feel like we treat the animals around us with such cruelty that it doesn't make sense to get so angry at one man for being cruel to one animal. It's hard for me to make sense of it all when it all leads to the same action. Same results, just different motives.

 

I think the deal with this guy is that for whatever reason the death of Cecil ended up shining a media spotlight on lion decline and trophy hunting, even though neither of those things is anything new. The average person was probably unaware that lions were in danger before the story broke, so thats why this one incident ended up provoking so strong a reaction. It's not just about this one guy, but anger at the decline of lions and the practice of trophy hunting. Cecil and the dentist who shot him just happened to become the faces of it.

[Clover Rider]

I understand hunting for food and that's about it.

 

Also hunting to save your own life is okay.

 

Such as bed bugs that got on my desk or anytime a centipede shows up.

 

Also took down a few flys here and there.

 

A gnat or two.

 

But I let my cats do more of the hunting in this house.

[Farangbaa]

Thanks for the civil replies so far. Most people would've called me an idiot by now. I just feel like we treat the animals around us with such cruelty that it doesn't make sense to get so angry at one man for being cruel to one animal. It's hard for me to make sense of it all when it all leads to the same action. Same results, just different motives.In the end, it is true that humanity as a whole will never completely stop eating meat. O just feel like the whole picture needs to be looked at, and we need to hold ourselves to the same standards as we hold others.

The things we do to animals pales in comparison to what they experience in the wild.

Being stalked for hours by a predator, with fear oozing through every pore, only to be eaten alive afterwards. Or, if it gets away, be eaten alive from the inside by parasites. Or break a leg and wait until you starve or, even more fun, lay there in pain until some bigger animal comes about and decides to eat your sorry ass.

Nature is unspeakably cruel. Being sheltered from the weather with an overabundance of food at their disposal is a vacation compared to the wild.

Yes, we should kill them as humanely possible, but our treatment of them compared to the wild is far from cruel.

p.s.
just for shits and giggles: imagine for a second this was all by design.

[Simfam]

The things we do to animals pales in comparison to what they experience in the wild.

Being stalked for hours by a predator, with fear oozing through every pore, only to be eaten alive afterwards. Or, if it gets away, be eaten alive from the inside by parasites. Or break a leg and wait until you starve or, even more fun, lay there in pain until some bigger animal comes about and decides to eat your sorry ass.

Nature is unspeakably cruel. Being sheltered from the weather with an overabundance of food at their disposal is a vacation compared to the wild.

Yes, we should kill them as humanely possible, but our treatment of them compared to the wild is far from cruel.

 

Wow.

 

Really?

 

<----- mfw

[DEUGH Man]

I think the deal with this guy is that for whatever reason the death of Cecil ended up shining a media spotlight on lion decline and trophy hunting, even though neither of those things is anything new. The average person was probably unaware that lions were in danger before the story broke, so thats why this one incident ended up provoking so strong a reaction. It's not just about this one guy, but anger at the decline of lions and the practice of trophy hunting. Cecil and the dentist who shot him just happened to become the faces of it.

Yeah, that's what annoys me the most, I think. It feels like people don't really care about things unless they can have one specific event to be angry about, or one specific person to direct their anger towards. I don't think what the guy did was right, but I don't think it's right to... I don't know how to describe what's happening to him now. His whole life is probably going to be ruined over this one thing when there are so many other atrocities similar to this being committed every day. That is also wrong, in my eyes. Making this guy a pariah isn't going to make things better.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

i have a question - who the **** cares about animal rights? humans are at the top of the food chain so we have the right to do whatever we want to the stuff below us

[Farangbaa]

Wow.
 
Really?
 
<----- mfw

Yes, really.

Nature is incredibly cruel, with unspeakable suffering going on every day without a single human involved.

[Clover Rider]

i have a question - who the **** cares about animal rights? humans are at the top of the food chain so we have the right to do whatever we want to the stuff below us

Right being at the top means we can be cruel monsters to animals.

 

Yeah no f**k that.