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[shodiswe]

Interesting, at those speeds a non-stop journey to Andromeda wouldn't take more than two years..... Though I guess slow interstellar discharges would make it take longer.

2.5 Million lightyears / (5000 LY/day) = 500 Days.


How often would the core have to discharge, how long would it take the Core to radiate that energy buildup, each and every time...

[SpaceLobster]

Interesting, at those speeds a non-stop journey to Andromeda wouldn't take more than two years..... Though I guess slow interstellar discharges would make it take longer.

2.5 Million lightyears / (5000 LY/day) = 500 Days.


How often would the core have to discharge, how long would it take the Core to radiate that energy buildup, each and every time...

That would be if the Normandy travelled not 5475 times faster than light, but traveled 5475LY in a day 

If assuming the Normandy merely is 5475 times as fast as light that would be:

2.5 million/(15LY/day)= 166,666.6 days

That would thus be approximately 456.6 years, a period of time that is doable for asari, krogan and geth.

[shodiswe]

That would be if the Normandy travelled not 5475 times faster than light, but traveled 5475LY in a day 
If assuming the Normandy merely is 5475 times as fast as light that would be:
2.5 million/(15LY/day)= 166,666.6 days
That would thus be approximately 456.6 years, a period of time that is doable for asari, krogan and geth.

Yes, of course, I read that wrong, I just got out of bed In that case I would suggest Cryo sleep, it would requier less Resources and energy compared to supporting a living breathing population that needs to be keept psychologicaly healthy aswell a physicly. This also makes a lot mroe sense, two years to get to Anromeda did seem crazy as I was Writing it, just didn't see where I got it wrong. Somehow mixed up all that talk about distance/day and actual speed in c.

If Javik sleept in Cryo for 50 000 years, then 500 or 1000 years would be nothing in comparison.

[Kabooooom]

Yes, of course, I read that wrong, I just got out of bed In that case I would suggest Cryo sleep, it would requier less Resources and energy compared to supporting a living breathing population that needs to be keept psychologicaly healthy aswell a physicly. This also makes a lot mroe sense, two years to get to Anromeda did seem crazy as I was Writing it, just didn't see where I got it wrong. Somehow mixed up all that talk about distance/day and actual speed in c.

If Javik sleept in Cryo for 50 000 years, then 500 or 1000 years would be nothing in comparison.

Yes, we have proposed the cryo sleep idea before. The problem was never the time of the journey, it was the discharge problem. If they instead travelled the more conservative 12 ly/day, it would take them 570 years. There are sparse intergalactic stars and rogue planets...but not close enough or frequent enough to be suitable for discharge. They would fry approximately 0.00001% of the way there.

So, useless to try that way, basically.

Alternatively, if they somehow mastered Reaper tech - they could get there in 230 years and they would never have to discharge. So, that + cryo = doable.

However, some have criticized that idea, as the obvious hypothesis is that Bioware did this to avoid canonizing an ending. After all, assuming they would not want that is what allowed us to predict the move to Andromeda over a year ago. And so, in order to do that they would have to leave for Andromeda as a contingency plan prior to the end of the Reaper war. The objection is, that provides little time to master Reaper FTL tech, which is said to apparently violate even the fictional laws of physics in Mass Effect. As the saying goes, "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". To the inhabitants of the MW, Reaper FTL is basically magic.

So to me, that throws that idea out the window too.

The ideas I favor most plausibly are:

1) relativistic star ship. It is possible to reach Andromeda in several hundred years at greater than 99.999% the speed of light. Over 2.5 million years would pass in the MW though. This satisfies Bioware's description of "far away in space and distanced in time".

2) a wormhole, and one that closes after entry so travel back to the MW is not possible. Preferably created by the Remnant deliberately. This would explain why the MW species view the Remnant as benevolent, guiding, and godlike. And why they knew of them and are interested in further exploring their ruins for their technology - because they know, for a fact, that it would allow them to return to the MW.

[Pee Jae]

All of this reminds me of the shuttle at the beginning of Mass Effect 2. Did that shuttle actually have an FTL drive? Because... 

 

I'm betting on some kind of Mass Effect engine for Andromeda. 

[SpaceLobster]

The problem was never the time of the journey, it was the discharge problem. If they instead travelled the more conservative 12 ly/day, it would take them 570 years. There are sparse intergalactic stars and rogue planets...but not close enough or frequent enough to be suitable for discharge. They would fry approximately 0.00001% of the way there.

So, useless to try that way, basically.

There are people who argue that the near 0K temperature of space allows for some kind of, less efficient, discharging of the drive cores.

[SpaceLobster]

All of this reminds me of the shuttle at the beginning of Mass Effect 2. Did that shuttle actually have an FTL drive? Because... 

 

That shuttle has FTL if you ask the wikia page: http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kodiak

If you ask the in game Codex entry it is incapable of doing so: http://masseffect.wi...ps_and_Vehicles

I'm betting on some kind of Mass Effect engine for Andromeda. 

You are not alone, it is called Mass Effect after all.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

It's my assumption that the playable region in ME:A represents the area that one relay serves in the previous games. So FTL between systems just like previous games

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1) relativistic star ship. It is possible to reach Andromeda in several hundred years at greater than 99.999% the speed of light. Over 2.5 million years would pass in the MW though. This satisfies Bioware's description of "far away in space and distanced in time".

Much greater than 99.999% of light speed. 99.999% of light speed gets you there in 11,381.1659 years. 

To get there in several hundred years rather than thousands, you'd need to go at least 99.999993% of light speed which gets you there in 949.8503 years.

[Arcian]

There are people who argue that the near 0K temperature of space allows for some kind of, less efficient, discharging of the drive cores.

Those people are idiots. Discharging requires planetary masses or planetary magnetic fields. Empty space has neither.

[Dantriges]

Well, the point is that you should be able to radiate the resulting heat into space, because well you can do that in RL.

[Arcian]

So everyone, do you prefer the new hyperspace jump where your ship moves faster that light?

Newsflash, ships have always been able to travel faster than light, and hyperspace does not exist in the Mass Effect universe.

Well, the point is that you should be able to radiate the resulting heat into space, because well you can do that in RL.

It's not heat that is being built up, but a static electrical charge...

[Dantriges]

And what can you do with electricity?

[Kabooooom]

Much greater than 99.999% of light speed. 99.999% of light speed gets you there in 11,381.1659 years.
To get there in several hundred years rather than thousands, you'd need to go at least 99.999993% of light speed which gets you there in 949.8503 years.

I know. I was the first one on these forums to actually calculate using special relativity how long it would take, to my knowledge, rather than people just ballparking. I was just too lazy to dig up my old posts.

The exact speed doesn't matter for the sake of casual discussion. The point is, you have to travel nearly the speed of light in order to pull it off, due to the way that time dilation and length contraction become exponential. But the laws of physics do allow you to pull it off, you just need a massive, massive amount of energy. Way more than is honestly feasible. And technically, it is even mathematically possible to stretch relativity to the extreme and get there within a single human lifetime.

[Kabooooom]

Newsflash, ships have always been able to travel faster than light, and hyperspace does not exist in the Mass Effect universe.

It's not heat that is being built up, but a static electrical charge...

Their argument is that since the static buildup increases the internal temperature of the ship over time (electrical energy is converted to thermal energy), that one could radiate via infrared radiation out into space, thus lowering the internal temperature, allowing it to increase again, ad infinitum until the energy still present in the electrical buildup is miniscule and you can make an FTL jump again .

It is clever, but would be totally unfeasible. Radiation is an extremely inefficient way to lose energy, even for a perfect radiative black box.

[shodiswe]

Their argument is that since the static buildup increases the internal temperature of the ship over time (electrical energy is converted to thermal energy), that one could radiate via infrared radiation out into space, thus lowering the internal temperature, allowing it to increase again, ad infinitum until the energy still present in the electrical buildup is miniscule and you can make an FTL jump again .

It is clever, but would be totally unfeasible. Radiation is an extremely inefficient way to lose energy, even for a perfect radiative black box.

That's why you create a heatsink system that maximises radiation capabilities. You don't make a box, you make a radiator-sail heatsink. Heat can be transported to the heatsinks and radiated using a fluidic heat transportation system. Kind of like watercooling on a PC processor, or in a car.

You could even convert some of that static charge into radiation directly, Before it converts into heat, some of it would stil convert to heat, but you do know you are using electricity light up your home and the street lights etz. The charge in the core is electrical in nature, if left alone it converts into heat. If channeled to a radiationradiator then it radiates it away.

So, yes, you can get rid of the heat, and yes you can convert the static charge into radiation. Normal MAss effect ships don't do that since they don't have to. They don't travel the void.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Reapers weaponized the static buildup from the core, it would be efficient. You basicly got a giant capacitor.

[shodiswe]

That's quite the discharge potential. Granted you have to stop every now and then and let it happen, but a few sizable radiators should be able to do it in a reasonable amount of time.

[SpaceLobster]

That's quite the discharge potential. Granted you have to stop every now and then and let it happen, but a few sizable radiators should be able to do it in a reasonable amount of time.

I prefer the wromhole theory, it requires less ''new'' technology (for Milky Way Galaxy races).

 

They could also simply say that the Prothean VI pointed to a ruin of the Inusannon, who may have used to radiate the electrical energy into space (after having converted it into thermal energy), and that they now use this technology to go to Andromeda.

 

They just need to have an explanation for a sudden entirely new path.

[Catastrophy]

Hyperspace for flying between astronomical bodies (not necessarily Asari). Some kind of one-time singularity effect thing for going to Andromeda and live to see the day.

Basically anything that isn't too ridiculous.

[SpaceLobster]

Basically anything that isn't too ridiculous.

[sjsharp2011]

In some ways, it's not much different from what I've seen in ME, though most of the time when the Normandy goes into FTL or goes through a relay, we don't really get Joker's POV. There are only two instances I can remember where we get to see the Normandy drop out of FTL into a new area from the ship's view, and that's when going through the Omega 4 relay, and when entering Rannoch's space. 

Actually theres a few more you may have forgotten there we see it when you go to Palaven as well to pick up the Primark We also see it a few times when we visit the Citadel and again in ME1 when we travel to Ilos at the end of that game. So ew do see the ship drpo out of FTL /Hyperspace/warp a few times

[Arcian]

That's quite the discharge potential. Granted you have to stop every now and then and let it happen, but a few sizable radiators should be able to do it in a reasonable amount of time.

All ships are already equipped with radiators to get rid of waste heat. I think if the heat radiation solution was feasible, it would already be used by interstellar explorers to negate the discharge problem. But since they aren't, the solution isn't feasible with the level of technology that is available. This is especially true when you consider how Mass Effect works - all mass added to a ship increases the load on the core exponentially, a problem that can only be solved with a bigger core, which itself becomes a problem since it has mass, requires more power (bigger power storage=more mass), increasing the amount of heat that has to be radiated (more radiators=more mass), increasing the mass of the ship and thus increasing the load on the core even further.

The only real solution is to create more efficient power storage and heat radiation technology, and that takes several years, even longer when taking the Wait Equation into account.

[N7Jamaican]

All this math for what would probably happen is a conveniently placed wormhole at the perfect time during the events of ME1-3, then poof! ME:A!

[Drone223]

All this math for what would probably happen is a conveniently placed wormhole at the perfect time during the events of ME1-3, then poof! ME:A!

A wormhole has its own problems i.e. it's sudden appearance will be way too convenient.

[SpaceLobster]

A wormhole has its own problems i.e. it's sudden appearance will be way too convenient.

That is true, but it could still be plausible idea if the Tempest was sent to scout the Milky Way galaxy--> wormhole--> ME:A.

 

Actually, never mind... Still too convenient.