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[Drasanil]

Cullen was meant for all, as well as males, but time caused it to be cut it seems. Same with Solas.

 

Other way around, Cullen and Solas were meant for none, but the extra development time allowed them to be added for some. 

[TheOgre]

I was one of the whiny crybabies when they first released DAI as I love to play a straight male protagonist and wasn't happy with what I had. 

 

But then I saw what others had for their options..

 

Spoiler

 

A recovering addict

 

A liar that leaves you naked and alone in a barn just after sex..

 

A liar that leaves you at the end of the game

 

and a man that tricks you into a bdsm relationship with almost no warning until after the first sex scene.

 

 

Eeesh.

 

To be fair, though, Cullen is very nice for a.. well you know.

[Drasanil]

I know, but that was added so last minute, he was only able to romance female humans and elves. There's spoken dialogue by Dorian proving Cullen was interested in males, but it was cut.

 

Probably cut because you'd have half of BSN raging to no end over the retcon. 

[Panda]

I completely understand that his views on mages would be tainted by his trauma... however, and admittedly never having been tortured myself, I only surmise that it seems to take an extra.. something... to insist on the killing of potential innocents.

 

If you played a mage and met him at the tower, he was the sweetest guy ever! He never wore a helmet and was approachable because of that, was friendly and even hated the idea of killing a mage who failed their Harrowing. Yes he crushed on Amell/Surana, but even in DAI he talked about how hard it was to do his duty when a Harrowing went wrong and what he had to witness. He had too big a heart. After he was tortured, he went a bit crazy and wanted everyone dead. He calmed down in DA2 and even helped my mage Hawke defeat Meredith, then knelt before her in a show of respect.

 

I always thought him wanting to annul circle so run over blood mages and demons with majority of people already death was most reasonable choice for him to make in the situation. Without overpowered hero with plot armor like HoF there would have been not any change to beat Uldred. I doubt Wynne nor Greagoir could have done it and there was none else really alive that had some kind of power.

 

Probably cut because you'd have half of BSN raging to no end over the retcon. 

 

I'd say that more likely reason is that having bisexual Cullen in the game would have required too much resources.

[Toxicity]

Cullen's romance doesn't make him appear as a jerk, he's a rather light hearted character and such a sweet, prince charming LI.   

 

Iron Bull is pretty OK. Somewhere down the road of his romance he admits his true feelings and he changes his entire view on how they work, I think, since he stays committed and loyal to the Inquisitor. He definitely isn't a jerk. 

 

And tbf, I didn't think Blackwall was much of a jerk, a well mannered gentleman in my opinion just with a dark secret, and even though he hid who he truly was he spoke up and tried to make amends for his crime. He helped the Inquisition, put his life on the line for Thedas when he didn't have to. EDIT: even though he f*cked and ducked, I guess I can see how that makes him a jerk, but if it wasn't for him turning himself in I think he would have stayed, and after the INQ., takes him back (if she does) he is obviously willing to pick up the relationship again, he just felt incredibly guilty.

 

I LOVED THE SOLAS ROMANCE THOUGH! Omfg. It was so amazing even though he crushed the Inquisitors heart, I love those bitter-sweet romances. Solas is definitely a romantic. A hand-holder (aw). His obsession with the Fade was a bit iffy, though. Got old and annoying after a while and in order to keep him on good terms with your PC you have to talk nicely about the Fade with him, otherwise he is a major SOB. 

 

I lost track of the topic accidentally.. 

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TL;DR:

Cullen and Iron Bull are not jerks, unless you classify Iron Bull as a jerk because of the BDSM. I don't really think any of them were jerks honestly, but to be safe than sorry, Cullen, Iron Bull, Dorian and Sera(maybe) are not really jerks. 


I wanted Michel de Chevin to be an LI, my LI, don't care if he plays a small part, like dzaqmnxsaixnh. idek whyyy (off topic again heheh)

[Panda]

It made sense to me too since I tend to see and understand everyone's POV, but he was too frantic about it and if you make the circle independent, he snaps and kills 3 people. He meant well but he was a bit dangerous after being tormented mentally.

 

My only reason for not annulling the circle is because I refuse to kill Connor or Isolde. If not for forcing a child's life to make the choice obvious that saving the circle is best, I would have agreed with Cullen, but suggested he seek help either way. Poor guy.

 

Well I agree that he was bit frantic and under other mental circumstances wouldn't have made same choice especially after Gregoir's decision.

 

Actually I think him killing 3 people was retconned a bit, lot of DAO ending slides were tweaked little. Like alternative slide for him says that he become Knight-Commander of Ferelden Circle and ruled with iron fist, which didn't happen either. I think in Witch Hunt it was revealed to be only rumours and that Cullen canonically was sent to some kind of Chantry's sanitarium to get better. So I guess he did get some help, but likely not enough or maybe sending him to Kirkwall was wrong choice since surrounded by blood mages surely didn't do good for his PTSD.

[9TailsFox]

Well I agree that he was bit frantic and under other mental circumstances wouldn't have made same choice especially after Gregoir's decision.

 

Actually I think him killing 3 people was retconned a bit, lot of DAO ending slides were tweaked little. Like alternative slide for him says that he become Knight-Commander of Ferelden Circle and ruled with iron fist, which didn't happen either. I think in Witch Hunt it was revealed to be only rumours and that Cullen canonically was sent to some kind of Chantry's sanitarium to get better. So I guess he did get some help, but likely not enough or maybe sending him to Kirkwall was wrong choice since surrounded by blood mages surely didn't do good for his PTSD.

David Gaider already talked about DA:O epilogue slides. They think DA:O will be only game write themselves into corner, so decided retcon all ending slides as just rumer.

[Ariella]

I find it appropriate he's interested in humans and elves since that's what your Amell and Surana are and he liked them. Cullen romancing a Qunari though makes me laugh when I think of the love scenes and the size difference. Especially the table. Her line about it being "sturdy" to Sera would have been even more hilarious!

Considering Cullen was in Kirkwall during the assault, I think history wise it makes sense he'd avoid Qunari. And doesn't he confront the IQ about a relationship with Bull during Bull's romance arc?

[Panda]

I had an epilogue non-modded that said he killed 3 people, but it was my first and only time I beat DAO so I had no clue.

 

I always wondered if it was a punishment or a rehabilitation attempt when he was sent to Kirkwall. Based on what he tells the Inquisitor, bad luck and blood mages follow him everywhere lol and if she's a mage when you romance him, it makes things even more interesting.

 

Yep it is in non-modded epilogue if you don't annul circle. However like 9TailsFox said they were later retconned as rumours cause otherwise developers would have been writing themselves in corner too much. Gaider revealed this in rather recent interview

[roselavellan]

I always thought him wanting to annul circle so run over blood mages and demons with majority of people already death was most reasonable choice for him to make in the situation. Without overpowered hero with plot armor like HoF there would have been not any change to beat Uldred. I doubt Wynne nor Greagoir could have done it and there was none else really alive that had some kind of power.

Hmm, I tend to see the Right of Annulment as unnecessarily cruel under any circumstance. This "kill them all, just to be safe" attitude is never justified.

[Ariella]

I have honestly never romanced IB so I wouldn't know, but now I'm curious. He does seem to respect and befriend the Qunari Inquisitor though, which is nice and seems to be okay with IB too. The Arishok actually broke the rules so he's given the Qunari a bad rep unfortunately,  but Sten the new Arishok (if you return his sword) admired him in DAO, so hopefully he's not too tainted by what happened in Kirkwall.

According to the wiki Cullen, Josephine, and Cassandra walk in on the IQ and Bull after the gift plot is finished and it mentions at that point the IQ has the option of denouncing the affair as a fling or basically telling them: deal with it.

As for Sten/Arishok, I think he would be considered the exception rather than the rule. the last Arishok broke the rules, but even Sten, points out that there will be a confrontation at some point between the Qun and the bas. That attitude has to be in the back of a lot of people's minds with a Qunari IQ, even if s/he isn't actually "Qunari" but Vashoth.

But I agree that gating him for humans and elves makes sense, since the poor impressionable boy spent the most time with those groups (humans more than any since it's rare for elves to become templars). According to WoT he was born 9:11 Dragon which makes him 19 during the Blight. And it makes the whole puppy love for the female mage warden even cuter...

[Panda]

Hmm, I tend to see the Right of Annulment as unnecessarily cruel under any circumstance. This "kill them all, just to be safe" attitude is never justified.

 

The situation was so bad in Ferelden Circle that without HoF other choice would have been either templars try to take tower back and die and so abominations are released to Thedas to kill folks or templars running away from tower which would end up same. I think in the situation where whole tower was already run over like in Ferelden Right of Annulment can be best choice to make.

[cdizzle2k3]

All DA:I male romances for females are "bad boys".

 

"50 Shades of Iron" Bull is a BDSM expert.

 

Renegade Blackwall is a fugitive from the law.

 

Soul-less Solas is a manipulative trickster who plays mind games.

 

And ol' "Kill 'em all" Cullen is a drug addict.

 

Have fun.

Which is why I wish Vivienne would have been an option. Even though I know it would've been kind of conflicting since she already had a love interest. Josephine and Cassandra are cool and all, but they were pretty cookie cutter/generic IMO. But that's another topic...

[Ariella]

I need to romance IB now lol
 
Yeah I have a feeling the Qunari might just invade once things fall apart and they can get past Orlais and Nevarra. Seeing Sten face the Inquisitor in a battle, knowing they both know the HOF and only one will survive would be painful but also really dramatic to see (if it happens).
 
19 and has seen so much... not to mention his hometown was destroyed by the Darkspawn and only Shale and a few people survived, luckily none related to him died. I do question that dead mage though, the one Shale hates.

I haven't tried, even though I really like Freddie Prinze Jr's voice, but I like Greg Ellis better . As I understand it, Bull goes into some bondage and dominance/submission, just FYI.

The Qunari need to get through the Imperium first, or have a big enough armada to land either in the Free Marches or Ferelden. And you're right, seeing those two square off... We could probably sell tickets. Or DLC.

Cullen definitely became the Maker's favorite cat toy for awhile there. It's one of the reasons I love the character so much.

Wilhelm? I wondered if Cullen was related to that family when they revealed his hometown.

[Ariella]

I ended up romancing Cullen first time because Steve Blum asked me when we let last year lol and it was a really wonderful romance! I loved it! I have also romanced both Blackwall and Solas. IB is next it seems. I heard it's really sweet despite the BDSM.

I've heard that too. I just tend to find a romance and stick to it. SAd, but true.

It seems that another DLC in the making hints at it, so maybe we'll find out soon enough.

My jury is still out on the survey, since it seems very odd in some ways. That sounds like the kind of thing one would put in a full game or an expansion, not a DLC. But they did surprise us with the amount of content they squeezed into Citadel so who knows.
 

No kidding! I'm surprised he never had a complete breakdown that sent him to an asylum like the Templar we meet in the Arl's dungeon.

If you play a mage warden in Witch Hunt, there's background gossip about him being sent to a chantry in Greentree to "level out". Since it's actually in game and not a slide, I think we can take it as canon.

Yeah that's the name! I remember getting the brew for Oghren as a gift. I bet that would be a shocker if Cullen had hints of magic in his blood.

Heck, with his whole non-proposal proposal to my mage IQ, I just laugh myself silly at the idea of Cullen being presented with a son or daughter and guess what: mage!

[Ariella]

Yeah the survey is questionable, but I try and take small truths in with the hard to swallow because that's how we tend to get fooled lol
 
I need to try that! I only played an elf Rogue in Witch Hunt.
 
LOL that would be the perfect way to close his story. He ends up with a lovely female mage like he once desired in the circle and discovers his own child is going to be one!

I understand. Personally, I try to be as objective as I can, and judge each piece as it comes out based on what it's trying to accomplish. So we'll see what happens next.

I'm trying to play through DAO as a mage right now, but... Ugh, I've been spoiled. Now if there were to be a remastered edition (looks pointedly in the direction of Edmonton).

Actually, my perfect way of ending his story is dealing with a sixteen year old mage daughter... and her suitors. I can almost imagine him enjoying the time honored tradition of terrorizing the boyfriend. I can see him paraphrasing from the West Wing:

Just remember she's sixteen years old... And the Inquisition military works for me.