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[Ariella]

I can actually hear Greg saying those words.

Me too. Though the original comes from the Illusive Man himself. Though it's the 82nd Airborne

[ThePhoenixKing]

Honestly, while I'm not a big fan of the Inquisition characters, I do think they had a good mix of personalities for the male romance options. If nothing else, it's certainly better than DAII, where you had your choice of either two emotionally abusive, Manchian, single-issue wonk, Draco in Leather Pants d-bags, or a celibate. (Don't have anything again Sebastian for the most part, but his romance arc really did suck).

[Forsythia77]

Well if he starts drinking lyrium again he breaks up with you and if not gets really touchy if you keep getting in the way of his templar "duties". You don't have a problem with him choosing lyrium and the Order over you?

I never have him choose to use lyrium and I only ever did the templar storyline once (conscripted - and that PT I played as a male mage who romanced Dorian).  So no.  I've not had this issue.  He and my mage inquisitor Caitlyn are going to have adorable little magelet babies.

[Drasanil]

As for Sten/Arishok, I think he would be considered the exception rather than the rule. the last Arishok broke the rules, but even Sten, points out that there will be a confrontation at some point between the Qun and the bas. That attitude has to be in the back of a lot of people's minds with a Qunari IQ, even if s/he isn't actually "Qunari" but Vashoth.

 

I don't know, I think Sten would have probably considered the previous Arishok weak for so easily being broken [distracted from his duties to the Qun] by the fairly aimless humans of Kirkwall. After all Sten managed to spend a year or two dealing with humans in the middle of a blight with out the benefit of an army and did just fine. 

[General TSAR]

Blackwall's not really a jerk, just a man full of self-loathing and a tendency to make really bad choices i his life.

An excellent description, he really is a good character; romanced or not.

[Ariella]

I don't know, I think Sten would have probably considered the previous Arishok weak for so easily being broken [distracted from his duties to the Qun] by the fairly aimless humans of Kirkwall. After all Sten managed to spend a year or two dealing with humans in the middle of a blight with out the benefit of an army and did just fine.

I'm not so sure since Sten's real interactions are limited to the party and it was in the middle of a blight.

Horror like the blight unites people. Take that away and things fall apart and everyone goes back to their own agenda.

[robertmarilyn]

 

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Wilhelm? I wondered if Cullen was related to that family when they revealed his hometown.

 

Of course they're related, they have the same voice!    (And the ask warrior, before the joining, is voiced by Greg too). 

[Jester]

All DA:I male romances for females are "bad boys".

 

"50 Shades of Iron" Bull is a BDSM expert.

 

Renegade Blackwall is a fugitive from the law.

 

Soul-less Solas is a manipulative trickster who plays mind games.

 

And ol' "Kill 'em all" Cullen is a drug addict.

 

Have fun.

Still better than "I'm gonna blow some innocent people up" Anders and "Sleeping with you brings out my PTSD" Fenris. 

[9TailsFox]

Still better than "I'm gonna blow some innocent people up" Anders and "Sleeping with you brings out my PTSD" Fenris. 

"innocent" Screw all hypocrites who support slavery and just sit and do nothing and pretend they do something good.

[Ariella]

Of course they're related, they have the same voice!    (And the ask warrior, before the joining, is voiced by Greg too).

If we're going by that, he's also related to that annoying Orlesian noble at Haven, and the House of Repose assasin, if I'm hearing correctly .

Of course while I'm usually good with voices some in DAI just threw me off.

[Drasanil]

"innocent" Screw all hypocrites who support slavery and just sit and do nothing and pretend they do something good.

 

You mean like Anders who last I checked was quite happy if you sent Fenris back to a life of slavery and killed hundreds of powerless civilians? 

[9TailsFox]

You mean like Anders who last I checked was quite happy if you sent Fenris back to a life of slavery and killed hundreds of powerless civilians? 

Yes exactly like Anders.

[Solace]

A man who hits it and quits it? Sounds like a man with sense.

[The_Shade]

Well, I dislike Cullen and some people 'love' him, so I wouldn't be the best judge.

 

Advocating for a mage genocide is one thing but, racism to Oghren too? GTFO.

 

Also, I don't accept the premise that he was in difficult circumstances. In actual fact he was in

the precise circumstances he was trained for, if you can't keep your cool in a moment of crisis

you are a poor Templar.

[Ariella]

Well, I dislike Cullen and some people 'love' him, so I wouldn't be the best judge.
 
Advocating for a mage genocide is one thing but, racism to Oghren too? GTFO.
 
Also, I don't accept the premise that he was in difficult circumstances. In actual fact he was in
the precise circumstances he was trained for, if you can't keep your cool in a moment of crisis
you are a poor Templar.

A nineteen year old just out of training isn't prepared for physical, mental and emotional torture over a period of at least several days if not longer. This wasn't a 'moment of crisis'.

I understand why he felt the way he did. Didn't agree with it, but understood. It's a very human reaction to have. wanting to lash out at those who hurty ou is not an uncommon reaction. And his attitude changes during DA 2. Plus, if he was still just 'kill them all he would have stayed with the Order as it tried to purge mages.

Someone wrote a good analysis of his character, including his crap.
http://tumblr.sagefi...ate-to-call-him

She's right. And hey, not so much a one note character, but someone with flaws, who's imperfect, has problems, and is trying to overcome them. Welcome to Dragon Age.

[The_Shade]

A nineteen year old just out of training isn't prepared for physical, mental and emotional torture over a period of at least several days if not longer. This wasn't a 'moment of crisis'.

I understand why he felt the way he did. Didn't agree with it, but understood. It's a very human reaction to have. wanting to lash out at those who hurty ou is not an uncommon reaction. And his attitude changes during DA 2. Plus, if he was still just 'kill them all he would have stayed with the Order as it tried to purge mages.

Someone wrote a good analysis of his character, including his crap.
http://tumblr.sagefi...ate-to-call-him

She's right. And hey, not so much a one note character, but someone with flaws, who's imperfect, has problems, and is trying to overcome them. Welcome to Dragon Age.

 

It was a moment of crisis. The circle was on the verge of being completely destroyed by demons, if that isn't a moment of crisis for a templar I honestly don't know what is. Also, if he's just finished training and isn't prepared for this, may I ask what was the training for? If a templar isn't ready for the worst case scenario then he should still be in training. No point preparing them for failure. 

 

Demanding genocide is not a common reaction. First Enchanter Irving didn't demand a mage genocide and he suffered just as much as Cullen  did given he actually saw his friends turn into abominations.  Many of your companions who are captured for a year when you are sent forward in time (should you look for the support of the mages) don't all abandon their personalities and principles and that's facing the end of the world and the certainty of death, due to their red lyrium exposure. The destruction of one circle pales in comparison to the end of everything and most importantly, not one of them demands genocide of potentially innocent personal. 

 

The reason Cullen changed his mind in Dragon Age 2, Act 3 was because Knight Commander Meredith decided she wanted to kill the Hawke rather than capture them. That's what triggered to Cullen that she was losing her head. Otherwise, he would have continued the genocide of mages even though many were innocent would have been killed based on the actions of one individual or demon. Hawke didn't even deserve to be arrested if they supported the mages. My Hawke did everything they could to help those who needed aid and support, why should he be arrested for? Standing against genocide? 

 

Needless to say, this means that he was involved in killing dozens mages who were completely innocent if you side with the mages in DA2. Men, women and possibly even children as young as six years old! Since he and others templars decide to attack the Gallows. He's a killer of the innocent and potentially kids. Someone like this should be behind bars for life or perhaps even dead depending on whether you agree with the death penalty.

 

 

 

I'd have far more respect for him, if said from the very inception of the Kirkwall rebellion that what was taking place was absolutely wrong and he was standing down from the Templar order because of it with immediate effect. Show your strength character and ethical principles, illustrate how much of a 'great guy' you are. Does he? No. 

 

Sure he questions the decision, but he still carries the action out. Actions speak louder than any words he may mutter in Inquisition. 

 

In moments of crisis and adversity you see can who people really are. That's not only true of Dragon Age but also reality. From what I've seen of Cullen in those moments so far, I dislike him. 

[berelinde]

All of the characters in the game have flaws (thank goodness). If you're holding out for the perfect LI, one who has a perfect, unblemished past who conducts him/herself with utmost decorum at all times and who will never ever do anything to disappoint or annoy the protagonist, you've picked the wrong series. Ultimately, the real choice - just like real life - is to pick the one whose flaws you can live with.

 

And that whole "my favorite LI is better than your favorite LI" thing? It amounts to "my values are better than your values." A lot of people really do believe that, but it's a fundamentally flawed premise. Opinions are just that.

[andy6915]

It was a moment of crisis. The circle was on the verge of being completely destroyed by demons, if that isn't a moment of crisis for a templar I honestly don't know what is. Also, if he's just finished training and isn't prepared for this, may I ask what was the training for? If a templar isn't ready for the worst case scenario then he should still be in training. No point preparing them for failure. 
 
Demanding genocide is not a common reaction. First Enchanter Irving didn't demand a mage genocide and he suffered just as much as Cullen  did given he actually saw his friends turn into abominations.  Many of your companions who are captured for a year when you are sent forward in time (should you look for the support of the mages) don't all abandon their personalities and principles and that's facing the end of the world and the certainty of death, due to their red lyrium exposure. The destruction of one circle pales in comparison to the end of everything and most importantly, not one of them demands genocide of potentially innocent personal. 
 
The reason Cullen changed his mind in Dragon Age 2, Act 3 was because Knight Commander Meredith decided she wanted to kill the Hawke rather than capture them. That's what triggered to Cullen that she was losing her head. Otherwise, he would have continued the genocide of mages even though many were innocent would have been killed based on the actions of one individual or demon. Hawke didn't even deserve to be arrested if they supported the mages. My Hawke did everything they could to help those who needed aid and support, why should he be arrested for? Standing against genocide? 
 
Needless to say, this means that he was involved in killing dozens mages who were completely innocent if you side with the mages in DA2. Men, women and possibly even children as young as six years old! Since he and others templars decide to attack the Gallows. He's a killer of the innocent and potentially kids. Someone like this should be behind bars for life or perhaps even dead depending on whether you agree with the death penalty.
 

 
 
I'd have far more respect for him, if said from the very inception of the Kirkwall rebellion that what was taking place was absolutely wrong and he was standing down from the Templar order because of it with immediate effect. Show your strength character and ethical principles, illustrate how much of a 'great guy' you are. Does he? No. 
 
Sure he questions the decision, but he still carries the action out. Actions speak louder than any words he may mutter in Inquisition. 
 
In moments of crisis and adversity you see can who people really are. That's not only true of Dragon Age but also reality. From what I've seen of Cullen in those moments so far, I dislike him.

You know... I wish there was a "I dislike this" button for posts. You don't seem to get that he was TORTURED. Let me quote Zaeed, he has some good words for you.

"no one walks away from torture unchanged."

And depending on things, he might have been going on for weeks or months. He has actual PTSD from it, he will forever bear the scars on his mental state from that event. Don't you dare try to say that it was just a "moment of crisis". Tell you what, you go through a couple weeks of torture at the hands of people you personally knew where they are intentionally trying to break you while you're locked in a cage and denied nourishment, and we'll see how well you fare.

[The_Shade]

All of the characters in the game have flaws (thank goodness). If you're holding out for the perfect LI, one who has a perfect, unblemished past who conducts him/herself with utmost decorum at all times and who will never ever do anything to disappoint or annoy the protagonist, you've picked the wrong series. Ultimately, the real choice - just like real life - is to pick the one whose flaws you can live with.

 

And that whole "my favorite LI is better than your favorite LI" thing? It amounts to "my values are better than your values." A lot of people really do believe that, but it's a fundamentally flawed premise. Opinions are just that.

 

Don't make a straw man out of my argument please.

 

The man potentially killed children, was aware of where his actions would lead to death of innocent individuals and had the opportunity not to go through with it. If you condone those actions, that's your business, but for some people (myself included) believe such actions deserve punishment. He hasn't received any. I don't support genocides of innocent individuals especially not children, I don't think that's unreasonable. 

[Iakus]

 
And depending on things, he might have been going on for weeks or months. He has actual PTSD from it, he will forever bear the scars on his mental state from that event. Don't you dare try to say that it was just a "moment of crisis". Tell you what, you go through a couple weeks of torture at the hands of people you personally knew where they are intentionally trying to break you while you're locked in a cage and denied nourishment, and we'll see how well you fare.

Not to mention being forced to watch people you know and care about tortured, murdered, or turned into monsters before your eyes.

[The_Shade]

You know... I wish there was a "I dislike this" button for posts. You don't seem to get that he was TORTURED. Let me quote Zaeed, he has some good words for you.

"no one walks away from torture unchanged."

And depending on things, he might have been going on for weeks or months. He has actual PTSD from it, he will forever bear the scars on his mental state from that event. Don't you dare try to say that it was just a "moment of crisis". Tell you what, you go through a couple weeks of torture at the hands of people you personally knew where they are intentionally trying to break you while you're locked in a cage and denied nourishment, and we'll see how well you fare.

 

And this is a defence for child murder and the murder of innocent mages he conducted during DA2? There was no torture involved in this case. He could have easily decided to resign from his post because killing all mages based on the actions of one individual is wrong but he didn't. He went through with it and potentially killed children as young as six years old in the process. Maybe if the children he killed were your sons and daughters, you may feel differently. Child murder for me is unacceptable but if you're cool with that, that's up to you. 

[9TailsFox]

All of the characters in the game have flaws (thank goodness). If you're holding out for the perfect LI, one who has a perfect, unblemished past who conducts him/herself with utmost decorum at all times and who will never ever do anything to disappoint or annoy the protagonist, you've picked the wrong series. Ultimately, the real choice - just like real life - is to pick the one whose flaws you can live with.

 

And that whole "my favorite LI is better than your favorite LI" thing? It amounts to "my values are better than your values." A lot of people really do believe that, but it's a fundamentally flawed premise. Opinions are just that.

This. Loghain is great Antagonist he just human. Or I recently played Life is strange and everyone hate David "stepdouche" probably only character, who actually doing something to protect kids.

 

And Blackwall is not evil or bad or... not even close. Evil man don't feel bad for doing something bad, and don't try to change, or go accept his punishment. Does Inquisitor hurt feeling more important than innocent man dying. Blackwall just got message his friend will be killed yes waiting Inquisitor to wake up is more important.

[Ariella]

And this is a defence for child murder and the murder of innocent mages he conducted during DA2? There was no torture involved in this case. He could have easily decided to resign from his post because killing all mages based on the actions of one individual is wrong but he didn't. He went through with it and potentially killed children as young as six years old in the process. Maybe if the children he killed were your sons and daughters, you may feel differently. Child murder for me is unacceptable but if you're cool with that, that's up to you.

Cullen was AGAINST the rite in DA 2. He though Kirkwall could still be saved. If Hawke sides with the Templars and deals with the three mages who surrender Meredith asks Cullen if the prisoners are freed then turn out to be blood mages would he take responsibility for it? He says he would, because he believes that's what being a templar is about.

And stop using the term genocide. It's an insult to people who suffered due to real life genocide attempts and their families, and those who died from them.

The rite is not genocIde.

[Iakus]

 

And Blackwall is not evil or bad or... not even close. Evil man don't feel bad for doing something bad, and don't try to change, or go accept his punishment. Does Inquisitor hurt feeling more important than innocent man dying. Blackwall just got message his friend will be killed yes waiting Inquisitor to wake up is more important.

Indeed.

 

Blackwall: Cole, if you knew what I am, what I'd done, why didn't you tell the others?
Cole: Everyone hides dead things.  Everyone pretends.  You wanted to fix it.
Blackwall: I'm a murderer.
Cole: You don't want to be.  You made a new you.  You are Blackwall. You killed Rainier.
Blackwall: If only that were possible.
Cole: You would stand between Rainier and the carriage. But you can't.  It doesn't work like that.  So you carry the bodies to remember.
Blackwall: I suppose I do.