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[Queen Skadi]

Shepard hadn't died at the end?

 

Lets face it, we can all go on about how the ending didn't make sense and was a lazy rip off of Deus Ex and yadda yadda yadda, but in the end the real problem with the ending was that Shepard died and you did not get the happy ending you wanted.

 

Of course I am not saying the ending wasn't **** for legitimate reasons (though I really don't think it deserved quite the backlash it got) but if you look at the ending to Inquisition you will notice that despite being far shittier than the ending to Mass Effect 3 there are nowhere near as many people complaining about it, in fact you even got more than a few people willing to praise it despite not delivering on the whole "40 endings" thing that was claimed before release, and it is all because the fans got their happy ending.

 

 

 

So I guess the moral of the story is give the fans a happy ending or they will burn down your house.

[Sartoz]

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My preference is for Shep to live and the Reapers destroyed. The "good guys" win again. civilization is saved, Shep gets a Parade and the trilogy ends with satisfaction.

 

 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard hadn't died at the end?

 

Lets face it, we can all go on about how the ending didn't make sense and was a lazy rip off of Deus Ex and yadda yadda yadda, but in the end the real problem with the ending was that Shepard died and you did not get the happy ending you wanted.

 

Of course I am not saying the ending wasn't **** for legitimate reasons (though I really don't think it deserved quite the backlash it got) but if you look at the ending to Inquisition you will notice that despite being far shittier than the ending to Mass Effect 3 there are nowhere near as many people complaining about it, in fact you even got more than a few people willing to praise it despite not delivering on the whole "40 endings" thing that was claimed before release, and it is all because the fans got their happy ending.

 

 

 

So I guess the moral of the story is give the fans a happy ending or they will burn down your house.

 

Yes, it was a happy ending. After Mass Effect 3 and the downer storyline, people just wanted fun. It went to prove something - people play video games as an escape.

[themikefest]

My femshep lives. She is currently in Vancouver having drinks with Samantha

[KaiserShep]

While Shepard's [possible] death is very probably a big part of that, I have a couple of issues with this comparison.

 

Putting aside the opinion that DA:I's ending is actually worse, an important difference between the two is that ME3's ending was basically supposed to be the big epic conclusion to the entire series. It was pretty much an all-the-marbles affair. Inquisition's is not, and is not even really a conclusion per se, since the story technically isn't over. 

[Iakus]

Shepard hadn't died at the end?

 

Lets face it, we can all go on about how the ending didn't make sense and was a lazy rip off of Deus Ex and yadda yadda yadda, but in the end the real problem with the ending was that Shepard died and you did not get the happy ending you wanted.

 

Of course I am not saying the ending wasn't **** for legitimate reasons (though I really don't think it deserved quite the backlash it got) but if you look at the ending to Inquisition you will notice that despite being far shittier than the ending to Mass Effect 3 there are nowhere near as many people complaining about it, in fact you even got more than a few people willing to praise it despite not delivering on the whole "40 endings" thing that was claimed before release, and it is all because the fans got their happy ending.

 

 

 

So I guess the moral of the story is give the fans a happy ending or they will burn down your house.

I have no illusions that the backlash would have been anywhere near as bad if Shepard had been allowed to live as something other than a faceless torso.

 

But the ending is still bad, and there would have been grumbling.  Take a look at DA2, which had a pretty dumb ending as well, despite Hawke surviving.

[Dabrikishaw]

No reason to deny Shepard dying being partly responsible for the ending backlash, but it wasn't the only reason.

[BabyPuncher]

So I guess the moral of the story is give the fans a happy ending or they will burn down your house.

 

Unfortunately, that does seem to be the moral that BioWare learned if Inquisition is any indication.

 

A respectable stance done all the wrong ways for all the wrong reasons.

[Cyonan]

I imagine there would have still been significant outrage after such a massive build up to the ending, but probably not as bad if Shep survived in more than just one ending that at the time required you play MP or the mobile game.

 

Mass Effect 3 wasn't the worst ending, but it was supposed to be tying up 5 years of a franchise where we kept getting told that our choices would matter in the end.

[Inprea]

I suppose. I tend to favor control and as I see the person as the mind instead of the body I tend to see Shepard as more alive than dead in that one. However, I would happily accept Shepard's death if the destroy ending didn't kill the geth or EDI. That's one of the things that really steams me. It felt like bioware put a gun to a squad mate and an entire race's collective heads to discourage people from destroy and yet if I recall correctly destroy is still by far the favorite.

[Panda]

Nope. My issue is not hero dying in the end, I love tragedy from time to time and after such feat as feating reapers it would make sense to me. She's not invisible after all.

 

My problem with the ending is that it turned whole game upside down in last 5 minutes into something that it wasn't almost 3 games. The conclusion made no sense and I really felt like I was suddenly playing whole another game than ME due to how absurd it felt. It also felt like my decisions and anything I did in the games didn't matter in the end at all, all that mattered was making final choice which was choosing from 3 bads really.
 

EDIT: DAI's ending was boring expect scene with Solas and Flemeth, but it didn't destroy whole game to me. After ME3 end I just sit on my sofa looking at screen with my mouth hanging open and trying to process what the hell just happened and why. Boring ending is boring, but absurd and awful ending that changes whole series is hard to get over with.

[Nomen Mendax]

I don't agree that the DAI ending was nearly as bad as ME3's. I thought the DAI ending felt rushed and anti-climactic, but the ME3 ending was just bad. From the reveal of the origins and incoherent purpose of the Reapers to a conclusion which seemed like the antithesis of the (Paragon) themes of the game I was stunned that anyone could have thought it was a good idea. While I know a lot of people were upset with Shepard dying that was the least of my concerns.

[BioWareM0d13]

I don't think so.

 

While there is definitely a subset of fans who would be unwilling to accept any ending where Shepard dies, I'm not sure they are necessarily a majority. I think most of the ending backlash had little to do with Shepard dying in a couple of them.

 

While playing Mass Effect 3 fully unspoiled, I was expecting Shepard to die at the end. I was also okay with that so long as the ending was well written, and provided a satisfying conclusion to the series. I probably would have loved the ending had there been no Catalyst and Shepard died while saving galactic civilization. My biggest issues with the original endings were the Catalyst reveal, the implied collapse of galactic civilization, and a bit more space magic than my suspension of disbelief could handle.

[BabyPuncher]

I don't think so.

 

While there is definitely a subset of fans who would be unwilling to accept any ending where Shepard dies, I'm not sure they are necessarily a majority. I think most of the ending backlash had little to do with Shepard dying in a couple of them.

 

Looking at Inquisition's ending, I don't think so.

 

Because looking at Inquisition's ending, it's just complete crap. Utterly nothing redeemable there. And yet it received a mediocre reception instead of a 'This is complete garbage' reception. A supposedly 'happy ending' is the only thing there that could it bumped it up.
 

[BioWareM0d13]

Looking at Inquisition's ending, I don't think so.

 

Because looking at Inquisition's ending, it's just complete crap. Utterly nothing redeemable there. And yet it received a mediocre reception instead of a 'This is complete garbage' reception. A supposedly 'happy ending' is the only thing there that could it bumped it up.
 

 

The Inquisition's ending didn't provoke the same reaction because it didn't reveal a child character to be pulling Corypheus' strings, didn't result in the civilization of Thedas collapsing, and didn't have end choices be presented by a 'big bad' whom you can't challenge in dialogue.

 

There have been games that had the protagonist die that have received no shortage of praise. Look at the reaction Red Dead Redemption got a few years back. It had a small number of critics, but overall the reaction both among the gaming press and fans was glowing.

[BabyPuncher]

Probably not the 'all of the Thedas dies,' but for the rest, I think most players would be just as accepting of the ending if it had idiocy on par with the Catalyst so long as it had a scene analogous to Shepard punching the Catalyst in the face and the Reapers exploding. So the Inquisition sneering in Corypheus' face, punching him, all the bad guys dying. As long the get their 'Kick the meany bad guys butt!' scene and the kissy balcony scene, plenty of people would accept it.

 

You're overestiming how smart the ending of Inquisition is. Pointlessless is the worst failing a writer can commit, and Inquisition is damn close to the epitome of pointlessness. It doesn't get much less smart than that.

[olnorton]

Happy ending, maybe.
But I don't think Shepard dying is necessarily a problem.
More often than not in DAO, I chose the death ending.
Save the world & leave a good looking corpse, it doesn't get any better than that.

[caradoc2000]

Shep gets a Parade

Well, they did give Shepard a parade, but then it started raining....

[pdusen]

I have no doubt that in general people would have been less hostile about the endings if Shepard lived, although there were plenty of other problems with the ending that I'm sure people would have been upset about.

[Vanilka]

You contradict yourself there a little. You admit that the ending was total and utter crap regardless of Shepard's death, but then proceed to talk about how the fans will burn down your house specifically because Shepard dies in most of the endings.

 

I am sure that plenty of people would be somewhat happier with the endings if there was a crystal clear indication that Shepard is alive or if they showed them reunited with their crew or something, but that's not and will never be the biggest problem with the ending - the true reason for the house burning, if you will. A quality ending, especially an ending of a long trilogy, should leave you feeling satisfied regardless of things like the protagonist's death. It shouldn't leave you feeling "WTF?!" Even if Shepard got up at the end, dusted themselves off and walked off to the sound of electric guitars, you can bet your ass people would still rant and they would rant a lot.

[Panda]

Looking at Inquisition's ending, I don't think so.

 

Because looking at Inquisition's ending, it's just complete crap. Utterly nothing redeemable there. And yet it received a mediocre reception instead of a 'This is complete garbage' reception. A supposedly 'happy ending' is the only thing there that could it bumped it up.
 

 

It wasn't good ending, but it was predictable. Inquisitor defeats Corypheus in the battle and there is that wannabe-archdemon dragon. Nothing weird happening, just lackluster battle that every knew was coming.

 

In ME3 the ending was very good until the scene with Star Child. Nice apolocalyptic feel building up, scene with Anderson and Illusive Man was brilliant. Then everything turned upside down and everything you knew was lie and ME wasn't the game you thought it was anymore. The ending surely wasn't predictable, absurd would be best word. It was well put together in sense especially when compared to DAI, but the content was just worse. It wasn't just ending ME3 deserved. That's the ME3 vanilla version anyways.

[Cheviot]

Would the ending to Mass Effect 3 have been as badly received if Shepard hadn't died at the end?

No. 

 

Or, at least, the negativity toward the game would've been much less than it was.  Bioware have reached the point where practically anything they do offends someone deeply.

[AlanC9]

Yes, it was a happy ending. After Mass Effect 3 and the downer storyline, people just wanted fun. It went to prove something - people play video games as an escape.

As usual, though, I feel obligated to point out that we're not all escaping from the same things.

[AlanC9]

In ME3 the ending was very good until the scene with Star Child. Nice apolocalyptic feel building up, scene with Anderson and Illusive Man was brilliant. Then everything turned upside down and everything you knew was lie and ME wasn't the game you thought it was anymore. The ending surely wasn't predictable, absurd would be best word. It was well put together in sense especially when compared to DAI, but the content was just worse. It wasn't just ending ME3 deserved. That's the ME3 vanilla version anyways.

I've never really understood why people didn't see the ending coming. Bio blatantly foreshadowed that there was some sort of reveal coming for the Reapers' motivation, and that the Crucible would be anything but a simple Reaper off switch.