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[mousestalker]

I'd rebut this, but I'm bored now.

[leighzard]

I was working in a middle school when they rolled out tablets for all the kids.

That definitely made them pay more attention in class.

[Fidite Nemini]

Internet history with 2 years?

 

 

Not sure how to take this, because at the age of two, I doubt any significant portion of toddlers is even language/writing proficient enough to browse the internet or whatever. And if they are, kudos to the parents with teaching them the necessary skills. I only started concise efforts to learn reading/writing just before entering school at age of six and I wouldn't exactly categorize myself as an extreme late bloomer or some such.

 

 

What I actually think is the case here is that with internet history, they mean content on the internet about/with them, like baby photos/videos being shared and being named in online interactions by their parents/relatives, which would obviously be picked up by search engines. That however is horribly misrepresented with the tone of this infographic as it heavily implies active internet participation. And that in turn isn't exactly a good sign if one where to assess the other supplied data, or where to try and interprete said content with vague qualifiers like "regularily use computers/tablets" as the word itself doesn't denote the quantity of use, only the intervals and strictly speaking, using anything once per year, even with randomly selected moments within any given year, is still considered regularly by the words definition.

 

 

 

Or in short:

Never trust a statistic you haven't falsified yourself.

[Cyonan]

I can agree with getting kids outside more to be active and not spending all their time on some kind of electronic device.

 

However I see no issue with expecting fast results on getting information from search engines. In the real world nobody gives a damn that I can go find some information in a book somewhere that I could have looked up on Wikipedia in 5 minutes.

 

The entire point of Google is that information is quick and easy to find these days.

[Fidite Nemini]

However I see no issue with expecting fast results on getting information from search engines. In the real world nobody gives a damn that I can go find some information in a book somewhere that I could have looked up on Wikipedia in 5 minutes.

 

I can hear my profs sharpening their pitchforks ... they hate anything Wikipedia with a passion that goes way beyond the necessity to teach proper citation and source research.

[Cyonan]

I can hear my profs sharpening their pitchforks ... they hate anything Wikipedia with a passion that goes way beyond the necessity to teach proper citation and source research.

 

Which I never understood. Yeah I know anybody can edit it, that's why you can view the citations of anybody editing the article if you're doing an academic paper and need proper sources.

 

In my opinion, there is no legitimate reason to not use Wikipedia as a starting point at the very least.

 

but then that's only in academia. Once you get into the working world which is where the majority of people end up, nobody gives a damn =P

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Does this give me an excuse to rage about how awful kids today are?

 

 

 

Not that I needed one...

[Fidite Nemini]

Which I never understood. Yeah I know anybody can edit it, that's why you can view the citations of anybody editing the article if you're doing an academic paper and need proper sources.

 

In my opinion, there is no legitimate reason to not use Wikipedia as a starting point at the very least.

 

but then that's only in academia. Once you get into the working world which is where the majority of people end up, nobody gives a damn =P

 

Yup.

 

I actually made a prof into a nemesis of mine in the first semester during a mandatory academic formalia course, which cover stuff like how to write papers, how to cite and refer, how to use footnotes (you know, the usual academics for dummies) and when the prof asked me what a good method of source snowballing was, I replied "Wikipedia". Oh boy if looks could kill ... but he had to relent to the point I made, even though citing the article from Wikipedia is an obvious no-no, there's no harm in browsing through the various citations and look up the sources for the article and then use these.

 

I think for like two weeks, everytime someone mentioned Wikipedia, he'd look at me. Thankfully a well done paper and presentation during the course convinced him that I'm not a plagiarizing idea-thief, plus I never had to deal with him after the second semester.

 

 

 

 

Not that I needed one...

 

Ahem ...

 

 

 

Not that I needed one...

 

 

Looks about appropriate.

 

 

 

I mean, academic scpticism about the rather convenient data in this infograph, I do agree that too many people get way too engrossed with the internet and such connected services. When I see children that can only be somewhat around eleven years old run around with their smartphones and their eyes glued to the screen, I can only shake my head. I do admire their ability to consistently avoid lamp posts though ... but perhaps they have an app for that too.

 

But that's less about such things allegedly making people stupid and more because it simply inhibits natural social interaction. Young people should primarily meet with friends face-to-face, not over facebook. Talking with disconnected personas over an electronic interface doesn't quite teach and/or helps refine basic social skills.

[Fast Jimmy]

I can agree with getting kids outside more to be active and not spending all their time on some kind of electronic device.

However I see no issue with expecting fast results on getting information from search engines. In the real world nobody gives a damn that I can go find some information in a book somewhere that I could have looked up on Wikipedia in 5 minutes.

The entire point of Google is that information is quick and easy to find these days.

Agreee. Is going to a library and pulling down multiple books on the respective subject (including a physical Encyclopedia) any better than pulling up multiple websites on the respective subject (including a digital Encyclopedia, complete with sourced links and associated information)? What's wrong with using Google? I don't know any kid who went to the library and double checked the sources of any book they read... why is doing the same with the Internet somehow worse?

[Dobbysaurus]

If I ever have any kids, I won't let them use any cell phones or tablets until they're way older. I don't care if they whine and cry. I see these little tiny kids being pushed around on strollers playing with their parents cell phone. Some of them are actually still babies. That makes me shake my head every time. 

 

I remember the good ol days when no one had cell phones and you would have to wait by the house phone hoping to get a phone call from your crush. I didn't even have a cell phone until I was 18. I didn't even want one but my mom made me get it just so she could call me if she needed me while I was at college. 

[Draining Dragon]

I don't see the problem here. If other people are stupid, that makes life easier for me.

[Commander Rpg]

I don't see the problem here. If other people are stupid, that makes life easier for me.

If people are acting foolish, they make life harder for you. Given that you're not foolish of course.

[KaiserShep]

I don't see the problem here. If other people are stupid, that makes life easier for me.

Actually, a greater number of stupid people makes life harder for everyone, unless your livelihood is geared toward exploitive practices.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Maybe it is making them stupid, or maybe something else is, send them off to the coal mines I say.

[mybudgee]

Seems our tech has indeed surpassed our humanity

[Fidite Nemini]

Seems our tech has indeed surpassed our humanity

 

Surprised it took that long with our current standards ...

[Akrabra]

If I ever have any kids, I won't let them use any cell phones or tablets until they're way older. I don't care if they whine and cry. I see these little tiny kids being pushed around on strollers playing with their parents cell phone. Some of them are actually still babies. That makes me shake my head every time. 

 

I remember the good ol days when no one had cell phones and you would have to wait by the house phone hoping to get a phone call from your crush. I didn't even have a cell phone until I was 18. I didn't even want one but my mom made me get it just so she could call me if she needed me while I was at college. 

I work as a preschool teacher and have i seen plenty of parents with this attitude, the problem is not the parents, its the peer pressure that affects the parenting. Not so much of it at preschool ofc, but as i work at the school this is something that comes up quite a lot in the teachers lounge. There is always one parent or couple that fails at this and it starts a landslide untl there is only one kid left that doesn't have the same thing as the other kids. The kid gets upset, the parents get upset and they cave in. They shouldn't ofc, but it always happens. And some people are just bad parents, there is no denying that. 

 

If i have ever have kids, and i would like to some day. Well then they will have to work to get the things they want and pay for it themselves. I had to do this while i was growing up and sure i was mad about it then, but happy about it now. The stuff you buy with your own money always feels the best. I hope you can be the kind of parent you want to be. 

[Fidite Nemini]

^ And at younger ages, demanding good grades for some stuff also works.

 

I always hated having to learn, but I hated possibly not playing Pokemon much, MUCH more. So I aced a math test and got Pokemon Red for my Gameboy (which I also earned with a couple aced tests).

 

If anything, being able to buy my own stuff actually made me a worse pupil, because now I only did what I need to get by and passed the rest of my time with entertainment of various sorts whose steady supply I assured autonomously.

 

And really one of the larger motivators for me currently doing asian studies is so I can tear down that localization barrier for all those epic japanese games

[Cknarf]

Jack of all trades, master of none, certainly better than a master of one.

 

In depth reading can shove it.

[Melra]

Meh, even though I got my PC earlier than most kids of my age. I still wouldn't let my own kids near a tablet, PC or console before they were at least 5-7. There's no need for it. Fortunately I had friends who had me leave the house to play in outdoors which gave me experiences and memories I remember to this day.

[mybudgee]

Moderation is key, as with most vices

[KaiserShep]

Maybe it is making them stupid, or maybe something else is, send them off to the coal mines I say.

Screw coal. That sugar cane ain't gonna harvest itself.

[mybudgee]

Unfortunately like common sense, moderation seems to be in short supply for some people.

Quoted for truth

[Fast Jimmy]

If I ever have any kids, I won't let them use any cell phones or tablets until they're way older. I don't care if they whine and cry. I see these little tiny kids being pushed around on strollers playing with their parents cell phone. Some of them are actually still babies. That makes me shake my head every time.

I remember the good ol days when no one had cell phones and you would have to wait by the house phone hoping to get a phone call from your crush. I didn't even have a cell phone until I was 18. I didn't even want one but my mom made me get it just so she could call me if she needed me while I was at college.

Honestly? There are some great learning apps for kids these days. We have a few apps on our phone that we use SPARINGLY (never out in public, though, for Pete's sake), but which have already taught our 3 year old all their letters, numbers, basic math and basic spelling (three letter words). I also read to her every night, which Imm sure helps, and she has a great daycare which works to teach and not just babysit. Still, the apps help - they are a great teaching tool.