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OK maybe it's because I'm a little too buzzed but I've lost track.
I thought you meant that Legacy was good but people are complaining it's bad.


McCrabby wanted to know where I was getting the 'others thought it was one of the best' comment. So I clarifed that 'others' were people here.

I'm on mobile right now so editing his wall of text would have been painful. :)

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McCrabby wanted to know where I was getting the 'others thought it was one of the best' comment. So I clarifed that 'others' were people here.

I'm on mobile right now so editing his wall of text would have been painful. :)


If you and others enjoyed Legacy then that's perfectly fine. What I said was "best compared to what?". I think most DLC from Bioware has been mediocre. Legacy certainly is one of their better DLC's...but that isn't saying much. I do not begrudge others to their enjoyment whatever that might be, I just think this studio is capable of much better and just choosing not to. I would personally enjoy expanding the existing characters and stronghold options, and having more story based content such as the party in Orlais.

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I just think this studio is capable of much better and just choosing not to.

If you mean the studio management and their parent company execs (EA), then you are correct. If you are referring to the dev team, then you are sorely incorrect.

 

Few people in a company have the power to determine what gets produced and what won't be produced. It's all about the numbers (ROI) for the decision makers, who are generally not gamers even in the slightest.

 

I have a great respect for the dev folks at BioWare (well most anyway, CHud and Walters lost my respect long ago), they are doing the best they can with the shite resources they are given and the limitations passed down from way above. This is what happens when a public company becomes too big, lots of revenue is required in the shortest time and smallest budget. We saw the worst of that with DA2, we should call ourselves lucky that we got any kind of game at all with only a real year dev cycle.


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What are you basing your expertise on? I am a professional writer and have dabbled in professional game design. Working with existing assets is far less laborious than creating entire new areas. I do not want to be sold an advertisement for the next game...I want to be sold an entertaining product. Writing is a hard job but when you have an entire team and the content is 8 - 20 hours including Bioware's signature filler combat it's not that big a deal. I am far more willing to spend thirty bucks on a huge story focused expansion than more hack and slash.


I did not use the phrase "casual dummy". I do not believe there is a such a thing as a casual gamer. If you make an entertaining product people will buy it regardless of it's length or complexity. I also explicitly stated I do not think people who play twitch or action games are stupid.

 

Oh I'm not an expert, and I never claimed to be one. As I said in the post above yours, I'm speculating. I could be completely wrong. I'm just voicing my opinion, I was then asked why I thought that they'd release a story heavy DLC last and explained why it makes sense to me.

 

And the "casual dummies" thing was a joke. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else, it was just a simple joke based on how in my experience people who complain about action in RPG games often (not always) move on to rant about how things have been dumbed down to appeal to a wider, more casual, audience. It was sarcasm, nothing more. 



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If you mean the studio management and their parent company execs (EA), then you are correct. If you are referring to the dev team, then you are sorely incorrect.
 
Few people in a company have the power to determine what gets produced and what won't be produced. It's all about the numbers (ROI) for the decision makers, who are generally not gamers even in the slightest.
 
I have a great respect for the dev folks at BioWare (well most anyway, CHud and Walters lost my respect long ago), they are doing the best they can with the shite resources they are given and the limitations passed down from way above. This is what happens when a public company becomes too big, lots of revenue is required in the shortest time and smallest budget. We saw the worst of that with DA2, we should call ourselves lucky that we got any kind of game at all with only a real year dev cycle.


If they made the game, why shouldn't they be blamed? I work in film and I am fully aware of how corporations operate. Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware, and every employee has said EA does not interfere anyway so your point is moot.

Oh I'm not an expert, and I never claimed to be one. As I said in the post above yours, I'm speculating. I could be completely wrong. I'm just voicing my opinion, I was then asked why I thought that they'd release a story heavy DLC last and explained why it makes sense to me.
 
And the "casual dummies" thing was a joke. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else, it was just a simple joke based on how in my experience people who complain about action in RPG games often (not always) move on to rant about how things have been dumbed down to appeal to a wider, more casual, audience. It was sarcasm, nothing more.


No problem then. It is a pet peeve of mine when people bash other peoples entertainment preferences, so I certainly don't want anyone to think I do it.

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If they made the game, why shouldn't they be blamed? I work in film and I am fully aware of how corporations operate. Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware, and every employee has said EA does not interfere anyway so your point is moot.
 

And I have worked in the game industry for almost 30 years, I can assure you that EA and the studio execs are in full control of what does or doesn't get produced. The dev team does not make those decisions, never have. There is a huge difference between game dev and film, huge.


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From the wiki article of the Inquisition.

"The first Inquisition was a group of people who, following the First Blight, rose up to defend Thedas from the dangers of magic and heretics."

Noob.


Hmm, maybe we need definition day on the BSN? Magic does not translate to Blood Mage, and frankly, the Exalted March of the Dales was against heretics, right? So all elves are blood mages too, even the ones that can't cast spells? Fascinating, tell us more.

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Hmm, maybe we need definition day on the BSN? Magic does not translate to Blood Mage, and frankly, the Exalted March of the Dales was against heretics, right? So all elves are blood mages too, even the ones that can't cast spells? Fascinating, tell us more.


Considering the first Inquisitor was an elven mage, as was his lover...

And Andraste's war against the Imperium is considered the first Exalted March.

Robertthebard, I don't read Dutch as he gives me a headache, but I figured I'd add this to what you said. For whatever it's worth.

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Considering the first Inquisitor was an elven mage, as was his lover...

And Andraste's war against the Imperium is considered the first Exalted March.

Robertthebard, I don't read Dutch as he gives me a headache, but I figured I'd add this to what you said. For whatever it's worth.


Last Inquisitor. We don't know anything about the first Inquisitor.

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Last Inquisitor. We don't know anything about the first Inquisitor.


I stand corrected.

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And the new Inquisition isn't the same as the first Inquisition. The new Inquisition was supposed to find an end to the Mage-Templar conflict, later they changed it to dealing with the demon invasion and to act as a stabilizing factor. It's main mission isn't to protect against mages or heretics. 

 

The two Inquisitions have similarities, but they are most definitely not the same. 


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 That job should be for the wardens and the HOF....

The HoF can be significantly different in state most of them don't care anymore about the deep roads.


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I believe that the boss at the end of the trailer is a titan



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And the new Inquisition isn't the same as the first Inquisition. The new Inquisition was supposed to find an end to the Mage-Templar conflict, later they changed it to dealing with the demon invasion and to act as a stabilizing factor. It's main mission isn't to protect against mages or heretics.

The two Inquisitions have similarities, but they are most definitely not the same.


Well, not exactly. Justinia wanted to use the Inquisition to end the mage templar war. When Cassandra invoked the Divine's writ to create it, she did it more directly in response to the breach. I think it's pretty fair to say the new Inquisition was formed to stop the breach, which later developed into stopping the Elder One.
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Well, not exactly. Justinia wanted to use the Inquisition to end the mage templar war. When Cassandra invoked the Divine's writ to create it, she did it more directly in response to the breach. I think it's pretty fair to say the new Inquisition was formed to stop the breach, which later developed into stopping the Elder One.

 

I know. You're rephrasing what I said. But you said it better, I wasn't being very clear about the chronology. Anyway, the point was that the new Inquisition and the first Inquisition aren't the same organization and don't share the same purpose.



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I know. You're rephrasing what I said. But you said it better, I wasn't being very clear about the chronology. Anyway, the point was that the new Inquisition and the first Inquisition aren't the same organization and don't share the same purpose.


My apologies. I misread your "end the mage-templar war" sentence. Yes, you're right.
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I believe the DLC will be about the profane (they were in dragon age 2, the rock wraith boss) and lyrium plus corrupted dwarves... maybe the thing that's corrupting lyrium is also affecting dwarves MAYBE ITS CREATING THE BLIGHT ITSELF.



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We'll see a blue lyrium golem if the trailer is any indication. That's interesting.

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I don't get people pushing the Titans and such. I think Dragon Age team has introduced a lot of content already and has a lot of questions to answer, doubt they go hard on this Titan angle as it just adds more questions.



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I don't get people pushing the Titans and such. I think Dragon Age team has introduced a lot of content already and has a lot of questions to answer, doubt they go hard on this Titan angle as it just adds more questions.

Mystery is good.

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Haha omg, how could something be so perfect...



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Wardens would indeed be a better choice for this type of crisis since they can sense darkspawn and are immune to the taint. It doesn't really make sense for a group of people who are already supposed to be saving the world from Corypheus and their leader who is the only one who can stop him to all take a detour into the deep roads and risk being easily tainted and ghoul-ified or killed. In Legacy they didn't know they were going to be lead and trapped down there at least.


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Wardens would indeed be a better choice for this type of crisis since they can sense darkspawn and are immune to the taint. It doesn't really make sense for a group of people who are already supposed to be saving the world from Corypheus and their leader who is the only one who can stop him to all take a detour into the deep roads and risk being easily tainted and ghoul-ified or killed. In Legacy they didn't know they were going to be lead and trapped down there at least.

Well if we're timing it mid Inquisition the Wardens are busy having a bit of an organisational meltdown, and if we're timing it after would anyone trust them to do it?


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Wardens would indeed be a better choice for this type of crisis since they can sense darkspawn and are immune to the taint. It doesn't really make sense for a group of people who are already supposed to be saving the world from Corypheus and their leader who is the only one who can stop him to all take a detour into the deep roads and risk being easily tainted and ghoul-ified or killed. In Legacy they didn't know they were going to be lead and trapped down there at least.


What Wardens? They're either gone or going nutso during Inquisition's timeline. The only window for them to maybe do something is if the Inquisitor saves then post Abyss. And even then we're looking at a depleted force bereft of leadership.

As for the taint, well, that didn't stop everyone not named Alistair from dying in DAO.

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What Wardens? They're either gone or going nutso during Inquisition's timeline. The only window for them to maybe do something is if the Inquisitor saves then post Abyss. And even then we're looking at a depleted force bereft of leadership.

As for the taint, well, that didn't stop everyone not named Alistair from dying in DAO.

I was under the impression that the nutso wardens were only the Orlesian branch? Either way, it's weird that they would risk the inquisitor's life with this quest since she's the only one that can stop the breach and Corypheus. If she dies before doing so then the world is SoL. IMO this sort of quest would make more sense post-game.