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[Aulis Vaara]

All we know about red lyrium is that it has the Blight. I'm not sure how you base that darkspawn are unable to affect lyrium. Lyrium might be resistant in that fashion.

 

Blight doesn't come from tears in the veil. There were tears in the Veil long before The Breach: It's how demons get into the world without being summoned. And yet, there is no red lyrium everywhere. The red lyrium might very well be a side effect of the elven orb, and not the Breach. 

 

We know Lyrium can't be tainted by Darkspawn, because the whole world has never seen Red Lyrium before. There have been so many and such extensive Blights that if the Darkspawn could taint Lyrium, Thedas would have found some by now. Even the Dwarves have never heard of Red Lyrium, and the whole deep roads are tainted. If it could spread to Lyrium from them, it would have!

As for the tears, yeah, that's probably only tears into the Black City. Point taken there.

[King Killoth]

I don't recall dragons having anything to do with Blight. Blight infects dragons, but it does so to all living creatures. The frenzy that occurs within dragon hunters and reavers has to do with dragon blood, which is established to have power in Thedas. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the qunari are some sort of failed experiment, but right now, we have no evidence to support the theory. 

except for when coryphious and kerian both tell the qunari inquisitor that their blood is stolen and that they are a mistake. the game is good about weaving in little hints to the history with out outright shouting it like some games do. the dragon connection is pointed out by IronBull after you take him dragon hunting. Dragons or atleast the old tavinter god dragons are linked to the blight as it was Dumant that lead the mages into the black city to get the taint. but for me this all feels like a massive chess game. the blight is just the means to an end and the end is to get a door open. Now what door and who is behind it is unclear some think its the door solas hid the elven gods behind but there is also the door that leads to the void. I think that there is a big bad we haven't even heard of that is coming and coryphious was just a pawn. I think the desent game will show us more about the void and its connection to lyrium and dwarves.

[Ariella]

If Inquisition has made anything clear, it's that EVERYTHING in Thedas ties back to the Blight. Ancient dwarves had red lyrium, Blight. Ancient elven gods had something to do with the Blight. Qunari were apparently around in ancient times and involved somehow. Answering what the Blight is, unravels the whole history of Thedas. So yes, Dragon Age is all about the Blight.

The blight is a consequence of action. Go back further. The blight had nothing to do with the fall of the elves, it had nothing to do with the choice of the magisters to go to the Golden City, which could be seen in the Fade pre attempt, so safe to say it was golden prior.

Also Morrigan notes that the demonic influence in the Tower is similar to the Blight taint, and we know Seekers have a resistance to red lyrium. Thing is, we know for a fact that demons aren't simply blighted spirits, and that resistance to red lyrium has to come from the Vigil.

There's a lot of history we still don't know that has nothing to do with the Blight. The Blight is one part of a larger whole.

[Aulis Vaara]

Thing is, we know for a fact that demons aren't simply blighted spirits,

 

We do? Since when?

 

The blight is a consequence of action. Go back further. The blight had nothing to do with the fall of the elves, it had nothing to do with the choice of the magisters to go to the Golden City, which could be seen in the Fade pre attempt, so safe to say it was golden prior.

There's a lot of history we still don't know that has nothing to do with the Blight. The Blight is one part of a larger whole.

 

Oh right, because apparently the Blight being locked up in the one immutable place in a realm that runs on willpower is just a natural phenomenon... totally makes sense. And that void armor that Andruil wore was definitely not red lyrium armor. And the ancient elves definitely didn't know about red lyrium and the Dread Wolf's lack of surprise at Red Lyrium and his casual explanation that it could have been corrupted by magic means nothing at all, right? And a Red Lyrium idol predating the first Blight is just another some weird coincidence.

 

There are hints all over the place that the taint is nothing new, that it predates the First Breach. So can we please stop pretending that the Blight is not a thread that runs through the whole worldbuilding of Thedas?

[DuskWanderer]

We know Lyrium can't be tainted by Darkspawn, because the whole world has never seen Red Lyrium before. There have been so many and such extensive Blights that if the Darkspawn could taint Lyrium, Thedas would have found some by now. Even the Dwarves have never heard of Red Lyrium, and the whole deep roads are tainted. If it could spread to Lyrium from them, it would have!

As for the tears, yeah, that's probably only tears into the Black City. Point taken there.

 

Then I must correct you: It is theorized that lyrium cannot be contracted by darkspawn. Not long after the darkspawn arrived, the dwarves started losing their territory, including their mining grounds. It's been a slow decline for the dwarves, with very few gains. It could well be if the dwarves get back their territory, they'd find the lyrium tainted. 

 

Lyrium is also not found above ground to a large extent: Blights wouldn't affect them since they have no lyrium aside from what they purchase from dwarves. I would imagine that such a valuable substance would be gathered if they had to flee. 

 

We can definitely conclude that lyrium resists Blight, but it begs to reason how it can be affected. 

[X Equestris]

Then I must correct you: It is theorized that lyrium cannot be contracted by darkspawn. Not long after the darkspawn arrived, the dwarves started losing their territory, including their mining grounds. It's been a slow decline for the dwarves, with very few gains. It could well be if the dwarves get back their territory, they'd find the lyrium tainted. 
 
Lyrium is also not found above ground to a large extent: Blights wouldn't affect them since they have no lyrium aside from what they purchase from dwarves. I would imagine that such a valuable substance would be gathered if they had to flee. 
 
We can definitely conclude that lyrium resists Blight, but it begs to reason how it can be affected.

We've been in areas that were overrun by darkspawn, though, and the lyrium was fine.

[earthboyjak]

We've been in areas that were overrun by darkspawn, though, and the lyrium was fine.

When, in Origins? The blight had just begun and was considered very short by the time the Hero of Ferelden was done, maybe not long enough for darkspawn surging closer to the surface to affect the lyrium. I can't think of too many times lyrium was around darkspawn in its normal blue form in DA2 or DAI...

[DuskWanderer]

When, in Origins? The blight had just begun and was considered very short by the time the Hero of Ferelden was done, maybe not long enough for darkspawn surging closer to the surface to affect the lyrium. I can't think of too many times lyrium was around darkspawn in its normal blue form in DA2 or DAI...

 

The only place I remember seeing it was in the Anvil of the Void. But the darkspawn never got through there: They kept getting slaughtered by Caridin's traps. 

[Ariella]

We do? Since when?

It's said several times in DAI alone. You want specific: Solas' companion quest. Said straight out that spirits become demons when forced to act against their nature.
 

Oh right, because apparently the Blight being locked up in the one immutable place in a realm that runs on willpower is just a natural phenomenon... totally makes sense. And that void armor that Andruil wore was definitely not red lyrium armor. And the ancient elves definitely didn't know about red lyrium and the Dread Wolf's lack of surprise at Red Lyrium and his casual explanation that it could have been corrupted by magic means nothing at all, right? And a Red Lyrium idol predating the first Blight is just another some weird coincidence.
 
There are hints all over the place that the taint is nothing new, that it predates the First Breach. So can we please stop pretending that the Blight is not a thread that runs through the whole worldbuilding of Thedas?

Total lack of surprise? Where do YOU get that? I get someone who's simply offering a pausable suggestion that's vague enough to cover his real intent. What magic do you ask? Considering when Corypheus uses the orb the magic turns red. That magic may have corrupted the lyrium beneath the temple?

What Solas said was vague, made a sort of sense, and kept Solas' real identity out of it

And I never said it isn't a thread. I said that it isn't the be all end all of the game. The Blight is a threat, but there's a lot more to it than that.

[X Equestris]

When, in Origins? The blight had just begun and was considered very short by the time the Hero of Ferelden was done, maybe not long enough for darkspawn surging closer to the surface to affect the lyrium. I can't think of too many times lyrium was around darkspawn in its normal blue form in DA2 or DAI...

In the Deep Roads.

Also, when you enter the Primeval Thaig in DA2, it's totally devoid of darkspawn, yet it's the only place red lyrium is encountered. Until Inquisition.

[Ariella]

In the Deep Roads.

Also, when you enter the Primeval Thaig in DA2, it's totally devoid of darkspawn, yet it's the only place red lyrium is encountered. Until Inquisition.

And yet there's a dragon...

Just something to think about. Though if this goes all Dune on us, I'm going to be upset.

BTW, Aulis Vaara, it's quite possible Anduril got everything from the Forgotten Ones who live in the Void.

Cute little bit from JoH:

The script is an ancient elven dialect. Upon further observation, it twists, the words becoming visible:
There are no gods. There is only the subject and the object, the actor and the acted upon. Those with will to earn dominance over others gain title not by nature but by deed.

I am Geldauran, and I refuse those who would exert will upon me. Let Andruil's bow crack, let June's fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.

http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim

The Forgotten Ones claim among their aspects disease, which I think fits the Blight.

And the red lyrium idol was created for what purpose? Idol implies a specific intent, and it's noted that the dwarves never worshipped gods so who is it dedicated to? As I said, go back further. The Blight is a tool, it's finding the ultimate user/creator.

[King Killoth]

And yet there's a dragon...

Just something to think about. Though if this goes all Dune on us, I'm going to be upset.

BTW, Aulis Vaara, it's quite possible Anduril got everything from the Forgotten Ones who live in the Void.

Cute little bit from JoH:

The script is an ancient elven dialect. Upon further observation, it twists, the words becoming visible:
There are no gods. There is only the subject and the object, the actor and the acted upon. Those with will to earn dominance over others gain title not by nature but by deed.

I am Geldauran, and I refuse those who would exert will upon me. Let Andruil's bow crack, let June's fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.

http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim

The Forgotten Ones claim among their aspects disease, which I think fits the Blight.

And the red lyrium idol was created for what purpose? Idol implies a specific intent, and it's noted that the dwarves never worshipped gods so who is it dedicated to? As I said, go back further. The Blight is a tool, it's finding the ultimate user/creator.

I know it all has to so with Felmeth/Myth'al's plan for revenge and I think solas thinks he knows what it is but is in the dark on what Flemeth/Myth'al have actualy set in motion. Sola's seems to be put off by the idea of graywardens and stopping the blight. he shows this a lot if you take him with on into the Abyss. he greatly disapproves of you recruiting the wardens and throws a fit back at skyhold. I think Flemeth has other plans then what solas thinks she has planed. I think Flemeth is the one that formed the first graywardens as some one had to show them the joining. I think the new dlc might shine a bit more of a light on darkspawn and the graywardens.

[Ariella]

I know it all has to so with Felmeth/Myth'al's plan for revenge and I think solas thinks he knows what it is but is in the dark on what Flemeth/Myth'al have actualy set in motion. Sola's seems to be put off by the idea of graywardens and stopping the blight. he shows this a lot if you take him with on into the Abyss. he greatly disapproves of you recruiting the wardens and throws a fit back at skyhold. I think Flemeth has other plans then what solas thinks she has planed. I think Flemeth is the one that formed the first graywardens as some one had to show them the joining. I think the new dlc might shine a bit more of a light on darkspawn and the graywardens.

Not sure about the Wardens, because I think Bioware may be holding that for a possible visit to Weisshaupt.

However I do agree about Flemeth playing a bigger game, and Solas not being in the loop since he does seem suprised after Arbor Wilds that something of Mythal survives. And I still want to know what that damned apointment she had to keep in DA 2 was.

Solas also has a banter with Cassandra post Abyss about the Wardens. He says something to the effect of 'they bought us time.' To me this sounds like something beyond archdemons rising. It sounds like the Wardens' actions are just a stay of execution from a bigger threat.

In the Fade at Adamant there's a statue of something called the Claw of Dumat. The note at the bottom of it has some interesting things to say about how the magisters entered the Fade, including being told to sacrifice elves specifically for the power in their blood. The Claw also looks like statues found in Bartrand's Folly.

Dumat supposedly whispered this in Cory's ear as a way to regain their followers as belief in the old gods was dwindling. But why would Dumat and the others send their servants to the City if they themselves weren't there? What if it was someone else?

We need a better picture of what all of the 'gods' we've been presented with really are before we can really call this. Not enough pieces yet to see the picture.

[Aulis Vaara]

The Forgotten Ones claim among their aspects disease, which I think fits the Blight.

 

From Geldauran's Claim, they sound more like rebels against the established order. It IS possible that they are responsible for the Blight, but being demonized for for their rebellion, it seem entirely possible they have been confused with some actually demons in Dalish lore. We don't know yet. Not enough information available. However, this is yet another thread of the Blight going back before "the first Blight".

 

It's said several times in DAI alone. You want specific: Solas' companion quest. Said straight out that spirits become demons when forced to act against their nature.

 

The Blight is pestilent corruption. That initial corruption has to come from somewhere and that might very well be demonic corruption. It would certainly explain the similarity between demonic and tainted environmental effects. Just because demons can more easily be corrupted than blood or lyrium, does not necessarily indicate that they are in fact different. Afterall, corrupting some blood is very easy, but corrupting some lyrium is very, very hard. And yet they both have the same Blight.

 

Total lack of surprise? Where do YOU get that? I get someone who's simply offering a pausable suggestion that's vague enough to cover his real intent. What magic do you ask? Considering when Corypheus uses the orb the magic turns red. That magic may have corrupted the lyrium beneath the temple?

 

To everyone in Thedas, Red Lyrium was just another kind of Lyrium (on crack, sure, but still a different kind of Lyrium), the fact that Solas just KNOWS it is corrupted says enough.

[King Killoth]

Not sure about the Wardens, because I think Bioware may be holding that for a possible visit to Weisshaupt.

However I do agree about Flemeth playing a bigger game, and Solas not being in the loop since he does seem suprised after Arbor Wilds that something of Mythal survives. And I still want to know what that damned apointment she had to keep in DA 2 was.

Solas also has a banter with Cassandra post Abyss about the Wardens. He says something to the effect of 'they bought us time.' To me this sounds like something beyond archdemons rising. It sounds like the Wardens' actions are just a stay of execution from a bigger threat.

In the Fade at Adamant there's a statue of something called the Claw of Dumat. The note at the bottom of it has some interesting things to say about how the magisters entered the Fade, including being told to sacrifice elves specifically for the power in their blood. The Claw also looks like statues found in Bartrand's Folly.

Dumat supposedly whispered this in Cory's ear as a way to regain their followers as belief in the old gods was dwindling. But why would Dumat and the others send their servants to the City if they themselves weren't there? What if it was someone else?

We need a better picture of what all of the 'gods' we've been presented with really are before we can really call this. Not enough pieces yet to see the picture.

I think the next game will really explore all of this and I hope descent will give us a few more clues. 

[Ariella]

From Geldauran's Claim, they sound more like rebels against the established order. It IS possible that they are responsible for the Blight, but being demonized for for their rebellion, it seem entirely possible they have been confused with some actually demons in Dalish lore. We don't know yet. Not enough information available. However, this is yet another thread of the Blight going back before "the first Blight".

I'm going to preface this with the fact that I haven't slept so I may be a bit more loopy than usual. That being said, I don't have a problem with the idea that the Blight existed before the rising of the first archdemon. Cory says as much. I just don't believe that it's the first cause. Someone or something was behind it. And if this was the real world, I'd be willing to accept the premise it evolved, but Thedas doesn't completely function by the same rules. I can't believe it's just random natural selection, especially coming out of the Fade.


 

The Blight is pestilent corruption. That initial corruption has to come from somewhere and that might very well be demonic corruption. It would certainly explain the similarity between demonic and tainted environmental effects. Just because demons can more easily be corrupted than blood or lyrium, does not necessarily indicate that they are in fact different. Afterall, corrupting some blood is very easy, but corrupting some lyrium is very, very hard. And yet they both have the same Blight.

Here's the thing. We've seen demons revert, Solas quest is one example. It's been implied that during Asunder that Cole was corrupted and found his way back. The fact he can move more fully back to a spirit during his own quest, should you choose, confirms there's a way to recover. And then there's the fact that the Seekers have that resistance. If it comes from the vigil, which is the only thing that makes sense, then something about spirits may be resistant to the Blight. I don't have a problem believing there's a connection, Anders does point out that if Bartrand wasn't a dwarf Anders would have sworn he was possessed, but I'm pretty sure that demons aren't Blighted. Spirits aren't really alive in the way mortals are.

This spirit resistace also may be confirmed by Leliana. IHW a journal points out she's got a resistance to the Blight. My surmise is that might have come from dear old Dorotea. The two memories the IQ got back at Adamant really don't give too much, like what was Cory taking from the Divine? How did the IQ and the Divine survive the explosion and end up in the Fade? Why didn't the Divine need to die to activate the orb? Dorian also points out, if you take him, that the spirit the IQ follows doesn't act like a spirit. It could be her soul, but why would a mortal soul have such power over a demon like the Nightmare?

To everyone in Thedas, Red Lyrium was just another kind of Lyrium (on crack, sure, but still a different kind of Lyrium), the fact that Solas just KNOWS it is corrupted says enough.

He may know, but saying it was magic that corrupted it is really vague, and at the same time makes sense to everybody who was there. We don't know exactly when he went sleepy, so it's possible he may not know everything. And if he did know, why give his orb to a Blight corrupted magister? That's the disconnect for me. I can't see the Dread Wolf taking that kind of risk if he knew the full extent of what was going on.

There was a dragon in the thaig, there was also a dragon in that underground temple where the werewolves were gathered in DAO.

Solas isn't thrilled about killing dragons, and Yevena was watching over a whole herd of them. And of course Mythal's connection to them.

Then there's who called to Corypheus and friends... What if the old gods were already asleep, and someone else wanted to set the Blight on Thedas? Destabilize the largest mortal power at the time by corrupting it, and set loose something that will keep returning and possibly causing more breakdowns, keeping anyone from reaching heights similar to the ancient elves.

Then there are the dragon cults. They get a mention in DAO at the Temple. Some of the points made were things like how do the cultists live among the dragonlings, how does a high dragon know that the cultists will protect her young, and how did the cultists know to drink dragon blood for its power. Too many threads not enough information. I hate that.

I think the next game will really explore all of this and I hope descent will give us a few more clues.

We can hope, or I'm going the Edmonton and strangling people until they talk. I HATE not knowing things.