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Of course I eventually will get around to doing them all, but initially I will only create enough characters to explore the main classes (warrior, rogue and mage) and then there will be a long break before I pick up the game again.

My canon Warden is a Dalish archer.

Playing a mage in a RPG is pretty mandatory for me, and for that I chose a human male. He is also meant to romance Leliana.

For my evil PT, it's gonna be a casteless dwarf.

And now we come to my dilemma. The warrior. At this point, all I have for certain is that it should be a woman.

The two origins I find the most appealing for doing this one are City Elf and human noble, but which one is best? Not just as in the first quest but the overall experience.

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City elf, no contest.


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Many people like the human noble as it offers the chance to be Queen of Ferelden as well as a major, meaningful confrontations with Archie, Loghain and Howe. However,I prefer the City Elf. The three big confrontations are arguably more meaningful than the human noble. Loghain tried to sell your father into slavery. Howe tried to destroy your people with his purge. And Archie is burning your hometown and the Alienage is woefully undefended.

If you are into emotionally intense roleplaying, City Elf is the high stakes option. And if romance Alistair, you get can get heart broken. You will also get the odd random dig about being an elf. And you can shut Wynne up, somewhat.

Zevran on the other hand is a little pot of fun smeared all over a crusty bun.
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Many people like the human noble as it offers the chance to be Queen of Ferelden as well as a major, meaningful confrontations with Archie, Loghain and Howe. However,I prefer the City Elf. The three big confrontations are arguably more meaningful than the human noble. Loghain tried to sell your father into slavery. Howe tried to destroy your people with his purge. And Archie is burning your hometown and the Alienage is woefully undefended.

If you are into emotionally intense roleplaying, City Elf is the high stakes option. And if romance Alistair, you get can get heart broken. You will also get the odd random dig about being an elf. And you can shut Wynne up, somewhat.

Zevran on the other hand is a little pot of fun smeared all over a crusty bun.

 

That's a perfect description! I couldn't have said it better myself!  :D

 

I'm curious though, if you're a city elf, when can you "shut Wynne up"?  :huh:

 

Although that does remind me that you can have a conversation with Leliana, where she makes a well-meaning but racist comment toward a city elf, and you can tell her how the cow ate the cabbage. ^^



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That's a perfect description! I couldn't have said it better myself!  :D
 
I'm curious though, if you're a city elf, when can you "shut Wynne up"?  :huh:
 
Although that does remind me that you can have a conversation with Leliana, where she makes a well-meaning but racist comment toward a city elf, and you can tell her how the cow ate the cabbage. ^^


Perhaps knock her back a bit. When she asks how you became a Grey Warden you can answer quite bluntly.

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Both are very good, but I find a Warrior is better suited for the noble and a Rogue for the CE (just like her mother). The CE female has a rather compelling story and it fits in with the main quest later on, and the Cousland has personal dealings with Howe (and in DAA makes things with Nate interesting) and if you romance Alistair and kill Loghain, you can become Queen. At this point it's up to you. Play a poor female elf who rises to the top after being shunned or play a noble who gets revenge on her family and rules Fereldan.



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Perhaps knock her back a bit. When she asks how you became a Grey Warden you can answer quite bluntly.

 

Ooh, I'd forgotten that. Or I just never saw the option. Oh well, I'm playing the game again, so I'll check it out!  :D

 

Both are very good, but I find a Warrior is better suited for the noble and a Rogue for the CE (just like her mother). The CE female has a rather compelling story and it fits in with the main quest later on, and the Cousland has personal dealings with Howe (and in DAA makes things with Nate interesting) and if you romance Alistair and kill Loghain, you can become Queen. At this point it's up to you. Play a poor female elf who rises to the top after being shunned or play a noble who gets revenge on her family and rules Fereldan.

 

I'd just like to remind the reader that the City Elf has personal dealings with Howe too. When you first encounter him at the Landsmeet, you can even recognize him. "So you're the one who's been butchering my kin." 

 

So the female city elf has a compelling story that fits in with the main quest later on, and as personal dealings with Howe as well as Cousland. Seems perfect to me.



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I'd just like to remind the reader that the City Elf has personal dealings with Howe too. When you first encounter him at the Landsmeet, you can even recognize him. "So you're the one who's been butchering my kin." 

 

So the female city elf has a compelling story that fits in with the main quest later on, and as personal dealings with Howe as well as Cousland. Seems perfect to me.

 

It's a bit smaller sadly. The impact of Highever's loss seems to be more of a focus than the CE's Alienage purge, but regarding Howe, his family was friends with the Couslands family for a long time and has history, so it's more deeper and your Cosuland not only knows Howe but would have become family if they married his daughter/son.


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I pretty much automatically assume that the noble is the warrior and the city elf is a rogue.  If the noble is the rogue I'd wonder at the lockpicking skills and Ferelden nobility aren't really the rapier and dagger type.  If I were to do a noble rogue, I'd kind of have to assume he was educated in Orlais or something whereas it's rather more likely that a ghetto elf with very illegal weapon skills has...other disreputable skills.  



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It's a bit smaller sadly. The impact of Highever's loss seems to be more of a focus than the CE's Alienage purge, but regarding Howe, his family was friends with the Couslands family for a long time and has history, so it's more deeper and your Cosuland not only knows Howe but would have become family if they married his daughter/son.

 

I have to agree with this.  City elf definitely has a grievance with Howe, but it was hard for me to get personally involved with killing him since the purge takes place off camera and by the time you get into the Alienage, and see how truly horrible things are there in your absence, Howe is dead already.  My CE had more of a grief against Loghain who had been selling her family/friends to Tevinter blood mages. 

Both Origins are awesome though, my favorites in the game.  CE (female has more of an emotional impact than male IMO) has a close knit family, wedding drama, can get up in Duncan's grill all bada$$, there is some mention of being an elf, seems everyone talks about how 'pretty' the CE is--even Loghain--when they aren't calling her 'knife ear' and being all racist.  Heck, you can even knock some of the wind out of Cailan's sails when he greets you in Ostagar with a well timed blunt response to his query about how you got there.  Depending on what type of warrior you want to make her might also determine the race, although the idea of a two hander blade (although painfully slow in DAO) being wielded by a tiny lil elf just tickles me to no end.  Would probably look less silly if she were dual wielder though.

 

The Human noble also has a close family (at the beginning anyway) and some great interaction with them prior to the events that create the necessity of going with Duncan.  The Human noble also has a lot of involvement ongoing in the story.  Nobles in Denerim recognize the Cousland as familiar to them if not necessarily by name (as does Teagan and Cailan).  There are special lines for the Cousland sprinkled all throughout the game starting as early as the Chantry in Lothering.  Jory and later Wynne acknowledge your title (though technically as a warden you don't have it anymore).  Your grievance against Howe is more personal having lived through the betrayal in the origin (and as Lady pointed out, have known Howe all your life, was almost family to him had the offer of marriage been a serious one).  Plus, the scene in the gauntlet with the spirit is my favorite out of all the origins.  I cried like a baby every single time I saw it.  The Human Noble female gets to marry Alistair and be queen if you go that route.  And finally, a female human wielding large blades and wearing heavy armor is more believable than an elf.



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It's a bit smaller sadly. The impact of Highever's loss seems to be more of a focus than the CE's Alienage purge, but regarding Howe, his family was friends with the Couslands family for a long time and has history, so it's more deeper and your Cosuland not only knows Howe but would have become family if they married his daughter/son.

 

Just because the game focuses on it for the Cousland more doesn't mean the Tabris feels it any less.

 

I have to agree with this.  City elf definitely has a grievance with Howe, but it was hard for me to get personally involved with killing him since the purge takes place off camera and by the time you get into the Alienage, and see how truly horrible things are there in your absence, Howe is dead already.  My CE had more of a grief against Loghain who had been selling her family/friends to Tevinter blood mages. 

 

Just because it happens off-screen doesn't mean every Tabris feels the loss any less. The Alienage was my Tabris' whole world ("this is the only world you've ever known, until now," Duncan said in the opening credit), and she considered everyone inside family, not just her father and cousins. They didn't go quickly either like the Couslands did. To paraphrase James and the Giant Peach: "Their troubles, if they had any at all, were over in an hour flat. The alienage's troubles were just beginning." Howe led a brutal purge against them for months; and all that time you're helpless to do anything for them, and don't even know who's dead or alive or if you'll ever see them again. The alienage suffered far longer.

 

Don't get me wrong, my City Elf also had more grief against Loghain for selling her family/friends to Tevinter blood mages too, especially since she got to see the extent of the damage by that point, but that doesn't erase her grief against Howe.

 

If you're a Cousland, you have grief against Howe, and that's kind of it. If you're a city elf, you also have grief against Howe, but also Loghain.


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Just because the game focuses on it for the Cousland more doesn't mean the Tabris feels it any less.

 

 

Just because it happens off-screen doesn't mean every Tabris feels the loss any less. The Alienage was my Tabris' whole world ("this is the only world you've ever known, until now," Duncan said in the opening credit), and she considered everyone inside family, not just her father and cousins. They didn't go quickly either like the Couslands did. To paraphrase James and the Giant Peach: "Their troubles, if they had any at all, were over in an hour flat. The alienage's troubles were just beginning." Howe led a brutal purge against them for months; and all that time you're helpless to do anything for them, and don't even know who's dead or alive or if you'll ever see them again. The alienage suffered far longer.

 

Don't get me wrong, my City Elf also had more grief against Loghain for selling her family/friends to Tevinter blood mages too, especially since she got to see the extent of the damage by that point, but that doesn't erase her grief against Howe.

 

If you're a Cousland, you have grief against Howe, and that's kind of it. If you're a city elf, you also have grief against Howe, but also Loghain.

Yes, my Tabris had an issue with him, but it was hard for me (the player) to muster the same level of antipathy on my CE run toward Howe that I did on my human noble (who's up close and personal as her world is taken from her).  Off camera purge made the anger less personal than seeing the slavers and hearing Caladrius offer to sacrifice her family in a blood ritual.  Hence, the stronger emotions against Loghain than Howe on my CE.   Had the game had the purge going on with my warden trying to defend her family would have probably engaged my 'kill em all and let the Maker sort them out' mentality in her, but as it is, it was harder to get p*ssed off about something that was not currently going on.



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If you're going to be a warrior, pick human noble. City elf feels EXTREMELY more fitting to a rogue than a warrior, especially since basically all the equipment of your mother's is always rogue equipment.
 

And finally, a female human wielding large blades and wearing heavy armor is more believable than an elf.


Well, massive armor anyway. Heavy armor has those awful looking boob bumps, massive armor looks far more practical.



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Just because the game focuses on it for the Cousland more doesn't mean the Tabris feels it any less.

 

I never said it did, I simply said that the game itself focuses more on the Couslands relation to Howe than Tabris and your comparison isn't equal or greater sadly. It is honestly seen as less important in the game because elves are not viewed as important. The PC can feel anything they like but the game chooses to focus on giving Howe a personal history with Cousland that makes it feel deeper. I played as Tabris and though she was able to get vengeance on Howe, it was partly due to her own actions that the purge happened. The Cousland child had nothing to do with the massacre, only that they were related to a father who was in question about his loyalties.

 

That doesn't make one better or the other, it all depends on what affects the player and for me as a player, that's how I felt when I played both.


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It also doesn't help that the timeline is all fubared in Origins.  The Blight itself is only a year long.  Conceivably, the player can arrive in Denerim immediately following Ostagar, or as late as just prior to confronting Loghain, making a huge timeskip between events in the game and shortening or lengthening the amount of time the PC is locked out of the Alienage.  

 

How long would it take to kill a bunch of unarmed elves anyway?  I can't imagine it took months to actually kill a few elves.  Was Howe personally killing them?  One elf a day?  Considering his sicko playroom in the basement at the estate, not inconceivable, but I doubt it.  There were plenty left for Loghain to sell off to slavers afterward.  The purge killed none of the PC's family, and the only one sold away was Soris' wife, Valora, someone the warden barely knew.

 

Whereas the Cousland (as far as they know) is the last member of their family, Howe having taken everything, home, family and title/lands from him/her.  Not to mention seeing Bryce bleeding to death before his child's eyes.  The CE still has all his/her family members present and accounted for.



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Many people like the human noble as it offers the chance to be Queen of Ferelden 

I found the ending queen to be too restrictive,you have to make too many compromises,because you need Alistair(dead Loghain is mandatory and DR is mandatory),a city elf is more free in her choices and can do basically what  she wish,mock Loghain at camp with a city elf is superbe.


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It also doesn't help that the timeline is all fubared in Origins.  The Blight itself is only a year long. 

For all of the blabbering about the blights,i believe that they are overrated,afterall in Ferelden nobody gives to me the impression to be concerned, everyone are concerned more about their business.



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To be fair, this Blight ended before it truly began.

The previous ones must've been far more devastating.
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