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So the inquisitor is going to the deep roads... what about the taint?


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That's the point. I forgot its pre/post :/

Thats my biggest turn off with this DLC so far. I think it will be good, but it won't change anything because of the pre/post. I will probably justto the lore. I am hoping there will be a new DLC or expansion that deals with the conclusion of the Inquisitor's character arc and finishes up the poorly done epilogue slides. 



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It was portrayed in DAO our companions just weren't involved, similar to DAI


But they should have been. Thats my point. And we also see darkspawns in DAI, blight sickness was non existent or I don't remember it being touched upon. That's why I thought DA2 did better with it.

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That's the point. I forgot its pre/post :/

Well, Blackwall could always die from it, and they already have the logic to remove him from the party for the rest of the game. :)

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But they should have been. Thats my point. And we also see darkspawns in DAI, blight sickness was non existent or I don't remember it being touched upon. That's why I thought DA2 did better with it.

 

The Village in Crestwood was affected by the taint

 

It worked in DA2 because it was a personal moment for Hawke because it was his/her sibling the same way Wesley getting the taint was a personal moment for Aveline. All it does is prove the point that the taint itself is just a plot device and our companions getting the taint just because they fought darkspawn wouldn't give that same impact 


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King Maric survived two trips through the Deep Roads without becoming a ghoul.



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King Maric survived two trips through the Deep Roads without becoming a ghoul.


Blood of the dragon or something?

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Blood of the dragon or something?

 

That wouldn't explain how Loghain, Katriel and Rowan got out OK.

 

And Hawke has been through the Deep Roads at least twice, counting Legacy. No ghouldom there.



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Blood of the dragon or something?

Maybe, but Alistair has the blood of the dragon and the taint works on him. Though he underwent the ritual so its different. 



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The Village in Crestwood was affected by the taint
 
It worked in DA2 because it was a personal moment for Hawke because it was his/her sibling the same way Wesley getting the taint was a personal moment for Aveline. All it does is prove the point that the taint itself is just a plot device and our companions getting the taint just because they fought darkspawn wouldn't give that same impact


Yeah i forgot crestwood. But aside from those long drowned by the mayor. There's no one else (i think) and there were darkspawns everywhere and iirc Storm coast too. But I don't want to argue about this because I get the plot armour but... let's drop it.

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Wait we are forgetting someone! Alexius' son died from the taint and in the future world he and Leliana became ghouls, though she developed a resistance to it.



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If that's the case why is one of the new MP characters testing out a new healing spell?

When I can have spirit healing as a specialty again, and not in the crappy tacked oN MP that's been trying to sell me potions for real money, then we'll talk. I get enjoying something and defending it, but come on,


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That wouldn't explain how Loghain, Katriel and Rowan got out OK.
 
And Hawke has been through the Deep Roads at least twice, counting Legacy. No ghouldom there.

I thought you were just asking about maric? I didnt know you also wanted to know about loghain and co

Maybe, but Alistair has the blood of the dragon and the taint works on him. Though he underwent the ritual so its different.

Well maybe because Alistair is a street mix? Seriously, I dont know where the are going with this rediculous blood of the dragon thing.

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When I can have spirit healing as a specialty again, and not in the crappy tacked oN MP that's been trying to sell me potions for real money, then we'll talk. I get enjoying something and defending it, but come on,

 

Maybe next game when they fully have it worked out

 

But in the meantime I guess you can keep finding something to complain about  ;)



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But they should have been. Thats my point. And we also see darkspawns in DAI, blight sickness was non existent or I don't remember it being touched upon. That's why I thought DA2 did better with it.

Exactly. The people who are arguing are basically saying "well, 10 years ago they didn't make it a gameplay feature so who cares if it's ignored now". It's 2015, games are more advanced, there's establlshed lore to consider and whole villages were crippled by the taint... it should be part of dragon age.

 

 

Maybe next game when they fully have it worked out

 

But in the meantime I guess you can keep finding something to complain about  ;)

Why are you even here? if you disagree cool, you'r entitled to your opinion, but you've been going out of your way to attack anything I say all day. it's cool if you disagree, but stop arguing about it.

I for one enjoyed origins and I think the devs should follow their own lore, if you don't, alright, but don't crap on others for thinking a series should stay true to what they write.

But no, keep making snide remarks to people you've never met.


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But they should have been. Thats my point. And we also see darkspawns in DAI, blight sickness was non existent or I don't remember it being touched upon. That's why I thought DA2 did better with it.

DA2 did do better with it, I agree. Even if they hadn't sorted out how it relates to companions, i liked that it affected a main character and they could even die from it if they came along.


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Why are you even here? if you disagree cool, you'r entitled to your opinion, but you've been going out of your way to attack anything I say all day. it's cool if you disagree, but stop arguing about it.

I for one enjoyed origins and I think the devs should follow their own lore, if you don't, alright, but don't crap on others for thinking a series should stay true to what they write.

But no, keep making snide remarks to people you've never met.

 

See this is the issue I have right here, you keep saying they should "stay true to what they write" like they constantly erase what they write and put something new when they don't


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See this is the issue I have right here, you keep saying they should "stay true to what they write" like they constantly erase what they write and put something new when they don't

That's sure as hell how DAI made me feel. I love dragon age, origins was probably game I played most out of anything in my life, but christ take one look at redcliff... it could have been such a familiar and cool return to a place we remember, expanded on of course, but there was nothing familiar about it. It could have been any town anywhere in the world and it'd be just as familiar. It wasn't just the lore, it was the places, it was the mechanics like dumping the tactics menu entirely (well, aside, from yes, no, and more often which was basically a joke) and losing attribute points and character control for a level based equip system. 

DAI doesn't feel like a dragon age game, it doesn't seem to care about the past games at all. At least that's how it felt, and part of the reason i found the experience so frustrating and disappointing. I mean the taint is a tiny example, admittedly, but man I was hoping for more.

 

A game like this that relies so much on past decisions should bring back fond memories in my mind, like if you're playing TW3 and you played TW1 back in the day, you go back to Kaer Morhan and you feel super nostalgic because they recreated every detail, with some additions, and it's just this awesome moment that brings back cool memories. DAI doesn't do that, they don't even try to do it. To me at least, it's too bad. The world we knew in dao feels absent.


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Plot armor? You know, just like Bethany/Carver was the only person in the DA2 Deep Roads Expedition to get it? Just like all the rest of the DAO party who weren't Wardens also didn't get it?


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Plot armor? You know, just like Bethany/Carver was the only person in the DA2 Deep Roads Expedition to get it? Just like all the rest of the DAO party who weren't Wardens also didn't get it?

It's not really plot armor; as noted, the taint itself is just a rarely needed plot device (there's no actual threat from darkspawn, aside from normal combat death, until they want to tell a story about it).

It's never been presented in any meaningful way that any particular character would need to be kept safe from it.

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There's a reason wardens fight darkspawn, they don't get poisoned and die from the blood. I'm a little puzzled how the inquisitor and his friends are going to... you know, not die from it?

Don't get me wrong, i'm super hopeful weekes will deliver an actual story instead of more mmo crap, but i hope they don't just ignore the lore again as they so commonly did in the main DAI game, because i was really choked by how little respect DAI had for past entries in the series.

 

Will they explain this, or just pretend it's not an issue?

Denerim and over half of Ferelden would've been a ghost town/kingdom if the taint was powerful enough to kill everything it touches. And that includes the army you lead into the city all of your party members who weren't Golems or Grey Wardens. It's potent stuff but it's never been shown to be overly contagious.

 

Hawke seems to have ventured into the deep roads on a number of occasions. Based on what we've seen already it's probably safe to assume most people don't catch the taint that easily. Or you can just assume the protagonist and company tend to be resistant.


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Denerim and over half of Ferelden would've been a ghost town/kingdom if the taint was powerful enough to kill everything it touches. And that includes the army you lead into the city all of your party members who weren't Golems or Grey Wardens. It's potent stuff but it's never been shown to be overly contagious.

Hawke's seems to have ventured into the deep roads on a number of occasions. Based on what we've seen already it's probably safe to assume most people don't catch the taint that easily. Or you can just assume the protagonist and company tend to be resistant.

And from the sound of it Felix took several months before the Blight caught up with him, if you play through ihw.

Wesley got hit quick due to blood in his wounds. But even Hawke's sib took time to succumb to the disease.

Redcliff is habitable even though the Horde struck as well.

Just a few extra examples :)
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The taint at best can only be used as a plot device and not a gameplay mechanic. How would it be if during some random battle with darkspawn your companions become sick with the blight or the protagonist becomes sick?

 

Let's explore the protagonist or companion getting sick after the gamer has poured hours into developing the character(s). Blight sickness as far as we know has no cure only a means to slow the disease by becoming a GW (which slowly kills you). What if the game says okay your protagonist dies there is no one to beat the big bad? Game over. Or the protagonist is forced to become a GW (which could still mean death during the joining) and that takes away player choice and control. Or since the protagonist is sick the gamer has to play as one of the companions for a portion of the game or the remainder of the game.

 

A companion has to become a GW like Bethany who you do not see for Act 2 and most of Act 3 she is taken for the joining and then later doing GW business.

 

How happy do you think gamers would be with those scenarios?

 

Felix took months to die because his father was using everything magical at his disposal to keep Felix going. You see it when Felix pretends to be faint. His father immediately tells Felix let us go to the castle and get your powders. Felix life is being extended by magic and magical potions much like some people's lives are extended by medical science now.

 

Wesley and Bethany (if Anders is not in the party) live about two or less weeks with blight sickness.

 

I doubt having a companion or the protagonist contract blight sickness would set well with gamers unless the game provided a way to cure or arrest it like with Fiona


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And from the sound of it Felix took several months before the Blight caught up with him, if you play through ihw.

Wesley got hit quick due to blood in his wounds. But even Hawke's sib took time to succumb to the disease.

Redcliff is habitable even though the Horde struck as well.

Just a few extra examples :)

See, you say redcliff is habitable, but i've been there and it's clearly not the same town... or i choose to believe it's not, because otherwise it makes no damned sense :P

Everyone is taking my comments to mean the taint is 100% contagious and 100% lethal, but i never said that, i'd still be damned hesitant to go into the deep roads and wade through their bloody corpses. Hopefully it'll be used, even just as if a plot device, but the inquisitor isn't immune so he should be sending a warden. 

One in particular, the guy/girl whose more popular then he is. 

 

But no, they're dumping the main story to the side, and giving a tailor made warden quest to a guy who closes rifts for a living.



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But no, they're dumping the main story to the side, and giving a tailor made warden quest to a guy who closes rifts for a living.

 

Well you can do the DLC post game too, and did you complain about Hawke doing Deep Road stuff or Legacy too?



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Well you can do the DLC post game too, and did you complain about Hawke doing Deep Road stuff or Legacy too?

I'm talking about the dreadwolf and Flemith etc... hey have a lot of loose ends to wrap up especially if they plan to swap main characters again. I was sort of hoping for a little bit of closure on the main plot.

Hawke's deep road stuff was an integral aprt of his/her story, and the legacy stuff didn't detract from it or leave the final act unfinished instead.

Must we meet Solas and the rest of the cast for the first time with a new character just to find out what's going on?