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[Unbelievabletekkers]

My primary concern was AOE fire, Survival and Freezing things.  

 

I shall construct this statement carefully:

 

IF I AM 30-20-30

 

AND

 

IF THE GUYS I RUN WITH ARE 150-150-200 PLUS (EACH!!)

 

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I COULD CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING??

 

^rhetorical question, please, in my initial post I wrote that, " I felt lucky to run with these guys."   NOT  "me, me, I'm so great."   NOT  "me, me, I have the best build."  NOT "me, me,I am superior."  

 

More like nice, I have an awesome net connection and this group has nearly zip vids uploaded, why not share....

 

I can't move mountains, but I can make ends meet by moving the molehills that are within my capacity to do so. 

 

I can simply add Cirvante to my list of those upon whom I shouldn't waste my breath.   

 

Being a veteran generally affords one a degree of respect. 

 

 - However that respect is tarnished and for nothing when the responsibility and maturity that comes hand in hand with one's stature is not visible.  

 

By demonstrating petulance and bitterness toward a person when you ought to know better;  All you reveal to the world is that for all your accomplishments, you amount to little more than a great big child. 

 

What propels a millionaire to harass/harangue/taunt a pauper is something only the Encyclopaedia of Trollism can attain to describe.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

 

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IF THE GUYS I RUN WITH ARE 150-150-200 PLUS (EACH!!)

 

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I COULD CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING??

 

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Yes,you could provide great CC with WoF and FS.

Barrier and Winter's grasp are plus in my book.

 

Edit.

But,if guys have such high stats as you say,maybe they don't even care .

[Yallegro]

For crying out loud, yes you could contribute
Wall of Fire, Firestorm, Barrier and Winters Grasp are effective even if your gear and stats were to suck
You got it half right, now get the other two skills

[Unbelievabletekkers]

Sure thing, in honesty I have never used Wall of Fire and I got rid of firestorm as squishy player that I am, I badly need to use the following combo at times to survive:

 

Freeze, Run away, Shield up, Fight - rinse and repeat. 

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So the next time I hit the top of the mage tree I will include Firewall for a test run, however I kind of love Immolate; and it's faster cooldown upgrade is a bargain for AOE no?

[Zorinho20_CRO]

Now,as Yallegro said,stop whining about lack of promotions and go test some builds.BSN is full of them.

At least these days you don't have to prestige your character when made a mistake like we had to do at beginning.

[21T09]

No love for stonefisting?

 

I mean, in the game.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

No love for stonefisting?

 

I mean, in the game.

In my last build I am using WG+SF combo,although it seems that shatter combo sometimes works and sometimes don't (although than can be subjective)

[ErySakasegawa]

Corrections

Frost step's upgrade is what offers damage, and for most players it will be very low damage at that. There are a handful of players with almost 400 willpower that can benefit, but that's it because otherwise the damage is too small to matter.

 

It is not 'free'

 

It costs ability slot. It breaks winter's stillness. It breaks formations. It takes time.

 

Cost of winter's stillness can be very high, removing mana regeneration and global cooldown benefit as well.

 

It is definitely not the best choice in most cases. When it comes to Elementalists and Keepers, definitely not.

 

The frost step upgrade was implied since I posted the corresponding build.

 

Frost Step in general and even the build I posted may not be the best, still... I like the mobility and the free (no mana cost) usage. Didn't intend to post definite best build for Elementalists. In fact I think, there is more than one viable build for Elementalist.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

The frost step upgrade was implied since I posted the corresponding build.

 

Frost Step in general and even the build I posted may not be the best, still... I like the mobility and the free (no mana cost) usage. Didn't intend to post definite best build for Elementalists. In fact I think, there is more than one viable build for Elementalist.

There is no best build!(had to say that,just watched one Mortiel's video)

[Varbind]

I cannot believe people have not mentioned fire mine. It does take a while to get used to it but it does more damage than immolate and it has an amazing defensive plus.

 

1) Lay down fire mine at your feet

2) step on fire mine

3) Watch that annoying shadow blow up rather than one shot you into the fade.

 

When I see an elementalist using fire mine I know they know what they are doing.

 

So my build is:

 

Fire Mine, Fire Wall, Fire Storm, Barrier

[Cirvante]

I cannot believe people have not mentioned fire mine. It does take a while to get used to it but it does more damage than immolate and it has an amazing defensive plus.

 

1) Lay down fire mine at your feet

2) step on fire mine

3) Watch that annoying shadow blow up rather than one shot you into the fade.

 

When I see an elementalist using fire mine I know they know what they are doing.

 

So my build is:

 

Fire Mine, Fire Wall, Fire Storm, Barrier

 

Even better, three Archers could stand on the mine or inside the Firestorm and spam Long Shot without having to worry about getting ganked by Shadows or Stalkers.

[Varbind]

Definitely, when I play any ranged class with an Elementalist using Fire mine I am always standing on it with him

[LearnedHand]

I cannot believe people have not mentioned fire mine. It does take a while to get used to it but it does more damage than immolate and it has an amazing defensive plus.

 

1) Lay down fire mine at your feet

2) step on fire mine

3) Watch that annoying shadow blow up rather than one shot you into the fade.

 

When I see an elementalist using fire mine I know they know what they are doing.

 

So my build is:

 

Fire Mine, Fire Wall, Fire Storm, Barrier

This is usually my NM build with him but I find having all fire damage to be less than optimal. Trouble is what to replace? and with what? Stonefist, lightning bolt probably. Regardless I am not giving up fire mine.

[Texasmotiv]

I haven't tried fire mine(I don't play the ele much), I might just try it though because people do talk it up quite a bit.

[Medallian]

if you use energy barrage you'll catch a lot of flak.

Energy barrage is a must for me the damage it does against large targets and bosses is insane and on top of every thing the cool down is not bad at all 

[Medallian]

What part about getting carried by three good Archers did you not understand? You contributed very little to that team and you are lucky that they were charitable enough to carry you through several NM games.

the problem is that a lot of players, play in difficulties there not at all ready for, and they think there ready simply because the team gets the completion they have no clue about efficiency and run times. they can not or will not see the fact that they will progress faster by stepping down a difficulty, in the end they only hurt them selves.... and what ever team there running in..... 

 

there have been no posts on effective damage for each lvl for each character..... it would be something grand, collaborating and putting together alll the data we have about the game to date and coming up with a base line would squash every thing....... 

[Medallian]

I suggest refraining from sharing the manure that flows so freely from your mouth.   If you can refer to where it was that I was carried in this video, then feel free.   I can hold my own and I am a decent player.  You Sir are to be muted from now until Kingdom-Come.  What part of if you are standing at the end of a match with 0 downs is being carried?   Clearly your simple mind can't grasp a basic concept such as survival in Nightmare demonstrates worthiness?

while I agree with some of what you say your not entirely correct... there are many factors you over looked.... if the team your with is killing the majority of enemies over you that is damage mitigation (over all) and would give you a false sense of serviceability.... I think this is what Cirvante is talking about..... but I will say the fact that you have no downs and were standing at the end means you might be ready to be in that difficulty with a good group, so I do agree with you OP on that..... Cirvante I think you are wrong..... OP may not have been very effective over all but if he was not a burden then he did not get carried

 

 

THE GOD OF DAMP HAS SPOKEN!!!!!

 

there is apoint when you cross a thereash hold, and in my oppinion that threash hold is not being a burden on the team, regardless of if OP contributed massive amounts of DMG or not he was not a burden and, at the very lease he could draw agro which is a m midigation factor on to its self.....so ca

[introverted_assassin]

you know...i never have had an Elementalist build that had either Barrier or Fire Mine.

I have always stuck with Immolate/Firestorm/Winter's Grasp/Fire Wall. Most of those are because of crowd control and I'm super big on that at higher difficulties. I like throwing Winter's Grasp down for the cross class combos with Warriors or to stop an enemy that has come too close to me. I use Firestorm sparingly...usually area 5 only unless we're getting overwhelmed. Fire Wall to keep the fools at bay. Immolate can do damage but I mostly use that for stun purposes.

I think the biggest thing though is what PASSIVES are being chosen like Death Siphon etc. That can be the difference in if you survive long enough to be effective for the team. And that's how I think...I want the entire team to survive. Not interested in leaderboards and such. Not knocking those that are it's just not my thing.

[Yallegro]

I tried Fire Mine, you don't seem able to auto-aim the thing

 

Pretty bad if you try to kill those Despair demons

 

other factors:

 

Not as spammable: no auto-aim and longer cooldown time

 

Requires 2 ability points to kick ass, Immolate only needs 1

 

Priming time sucks

[Varbind]

A good general rule to follow:

 

1) Try lots of things

2) Learn

3) get better

 

Sticking with one build simply because it works will limit your ability to improve.

 

Edit:

 

Aiming fire mine is incredibly simple. I kill despair demons with it all the time, just takes some timing. I rarely do so with immolate unless they are already heavily damaged.

[Yallegro]

A good general rule to follow:

 

1) Try lots of things

2) Learn

3) get better

 

Sticking with one build simply because it works will limit your ability to improve.

 

Edit:

 

Aiming fire mine is incredibly simple. I kill despair demons with it all the time, just takes some timing. I rarely do so with immolate unless they are already heavily damaged.

 

 

Aim for a distant despair demon

 

Get knocked down by ice cone attack

 

I rest my case

[Varbind]

If you can hit them with an immolate you can drop a fire mine under them. I really do not see your point.

[JiaJM98]

you know...i never have had an Elementalist build that had either Barrier or Fire Mine.

I have always stuck with Immolate/Firestorm/Winter's Grasp/Fire Wall. Most of those are because of crowd control and I'm super big on that at higher difficulties. I like throwing Winter's Grasp down for the cross glass combos with Warriors or to stop an enemy that has come too close to me. I use Firestorm sparingly...usually area 5 only unless we're getting overwhelmed. Fire Wall to keep the fools at bay. Immolate can do damage but I mostly use that for stun purposes.

I think the biggest thing though is what PASSIVES are being chosen like Death Siphon etc. That can be the difference in if you survive long enough to be effective for the team. And that's how I think...I want the entire team to survive. Not interested in leaderboards and such. Not knocking those that are it's just not my thing.

No Barrier? For real? 

And why pick up firestorm if you are not utilizing it until zone 5? I mean, surely you can spam firestorm every 10 seconds so long as you keep a close eye out on that flashpoint icon right? I get that some times mana might be a little short after casting a spell like wall of fire or barrier or winters grasp just before the icon lights up, but if you just use basic attack for half a second then something will die and give you the mana you need

[JiaJM98]

If you can hit them with an immolate you can drop a fire mine under them. I really do not see your point.

Time for prime, maybe?

[Yallegro]

If you can hit them with an immolate you can drop a fire mine under them. I really do not see your point.

 

No auto aim

 

on console (PS3 at least) Immolate and most AoE spells appear directly under the target you have a crosshair on

 

The same does not apply to Ice Mine, Fire Mine and Firestorm