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#51
TheThirdRace

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No Barrier? For real?  :blink:


I never used Barrier on the Elementalist before Nightmare was introduced. It was never "needed" before with Death Siphon and good gameplay. Spam Firestorm, stay inside the circle, you'll never go down unless your teammates simply can't kill enemies stuck on their backs...

Don't get wrong, Barrier is excellent and I would never skip it for Nightmare, but without Knight Protector it's a lot less useful than it is on the Keeper.
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#52
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Ahhh I didnt know that. On PC you have to aim everything, so there is no difference between the two.



#53
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The only reason why he didn't go down was because he had three dps monsters killing all the enemies and hogging most of the aggro. As soon as a team has less dps on NM, the pressure on all players increases. Because his dps was laughable and he didn't have any good CC, the other three players had to make up for that. Staying alive for a game is not contributing in my eyes, it just means he wasn't a burden.

 

And I suppose that's where our definitions of what constitutes being carried differ. I expect more from an Elementalist on NM than using barrier and producing some tiny damage numbers with almost zero cc.

 

I think that point was made

 

Stfu cirvante



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No Barrier? For real?  :blink:

And why pick up firestorm if you are not utilizing it until zone 5? I mean, surely you can spam firestorm every 10 seconds so long as you keep a close eye out on that flashpoint icon right? I get that some times mana might be a little short after casting a spell like wall of fire or barrier or winters grasp just before the icon lights up, but if you just use basic attack for half a second then something will die and give you the mana you need :)

barrier is not needed if you have the stats in fact the stronger you get he less you need and the more unorthodox builds you can get away with, I for one do not need barrier  any more...its obsolete 



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I think that point was made

 

Stfu cirvante

 

No.

 


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No Barrier? For real? :blink:
And why pick up firestorm if you are not utilizing it until zone 5? I mean, surely you can spam firestorm every 10 seconds so long as you keep a close eye out on that flashpoint icon right? I get that some times mana might be a little short after casting a spell like wall of fire or barrier or winters grasp just before the icon lights up, but if you just use basic attack for half a second then something will die and give you the mana you need :)

yes. for real. I don't use my elelmentalist as that type of support. only the Keeper. my build works for me. there is nothing to improve.

(though i haven't played MP in quite some time)

*edit* also, spamming Firestorm? nah son. it isn't about the mana costs. it's about efficiency and crowd control for me. if i'm in a room with 3 other capable players, i have no reason to spam it since they pick up the slack. like i said, i only use it before area 5 if we're being overwhelmed. period.

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The only reason why he didn't go down was because he had three dps monsters killing all the enemies and hogging most of the aggro. As soon as a team has less dps on NM, the pressure on all players increases. Because his dps was laughable and he didn't have any good CC, the other three players had to make up for that. Staying alive for a game is not contributing in my eyes, it just means he wasn't a burden.

 

And I suppose that's where our definitions of what constitutes being carried differ. I expect more from an Elementalist on NM than using barrier and producing some tiny damage numbers with almost zero cc.

no I was saying he was not a Burden but he  didn't contribute we are on total agreement on that man I was saying he at lest drew some aggro meaning eyes on him for the few seconds the enemies were alive lol 



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Aim for a distant despair demon

 

Get knocked down by ice cone attack

 

I rest my case

 

Ignorance is demonstrated here. Let me help correct that.

 

Ice Beam does not knock down. There is no Ice Cone.

Ice Mine is dodge-able by running and / or jumping or juking in different directions and faking out the enemy targetting.

 

It is really easy to avoid these attacks

It is even easier for the Elementalist to Wall of Fire panic Demons in place, leaving them vulnerable to other forms of attack such as Fire Mine.

 

No auto aim

 

on console (PS3 at least) Immolate and most AoE spells appear directly under the target you have a crosshair on

 

The same does not apply to Ice Mine, Fire Mine and Firestorm

 

Consoles can still aim with the controller. You don't need Auto-aim. Immolate remains trash that doesn't kill and barely damages, while Fire Mine does. 

 

barrier is not needed if you have the stats in fact the stronger you get he less you need and the more unorthodox builds you can get away with, I for one do not need barrier  any more...its obsolete 

 

But still desireable for three major reasons

A) More Exp

B) Chaotic Focus for Triple Fire Mine Damage, leading to 5-10k Fire mine damage for most people. Possibly 20-60k on your account and damage gear. I do want to see you do the Chaotic Focus Passive, Barrier, Fire Mine immediately after Barrier, combo and see the damage.

C) Help teammates -- notice how I list this part last.


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B) Chaotic Focus for Triple Fire Mine Damage, leading to 5-10k Fire mine damage for most people. Possibly 20-60k on your account and damage gear. I do want to see you do the Chaotic Focus Passive, Barrier, Fire Mine immediately after Barrier, combo and see the damage.

 

Speaking of Chaotic Focus, does it work on Firestorm? I presume it doesn't.



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JiaJM98

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Speaking of Chaotic Focus, does it work on Firestorm? I presume it doesn't.

Don't "feels" like it.



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Speaking of Chaotic Focus, does it work on Firestorm? I presume it doesn't.

 

Not worth it / No.



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You do you man. If you have fun then don't bother with some of these BSNers. They are a**holes

 

You got (as of right now) ten BSNer's to like a post calling BSNer's a**holes. Well played.


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You got (as of right now) ten BSNer's to like a post calling BSNer's a**holes. Well played.

 

It's called self-awareness.


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So.. how about that nightmare dragon being downed in 10 seconds.. pretty impressive, no?



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BSN:

 

Where 13 year olds can argue with 36 year olds, and I can't tell who is which.


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As some may know, I have far too many promotes on the elementalist. :bandit:

 

I've come to respect energy barrage quite a bit. With upgrade and ring, you can fire off 24 attacks (using a flashpoint) at 115% weapons damage, with increasing damage per hit due to elemental resistance being lowered from upgrade.

 

Basically, base damage does well over 2760% weapon damage. It has a quick cooldown, and doesn't take very long to travel... usually.

 

I like to pair this with a fire mine + winter's grasp combo if I can. Pretty much obliterates any enemy.

 

 

On nightmare mode, wall of fire and firestorm are recommended over energy barrage and winter's grasp. But I've still made it work, regardless.