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[Hauk]

I think the price is fair, in and of itself, assuming it has 8-10 hours of content. $15 doesn't buy much these days, so I can't really complain. I do think, however, that Bioware/EA are rather more stingy than other companies when it comes to dlc; Higher prices, fewer discounts and few if any freebies.

[KCMeredith]

I cant believe you people are so cheap. Its $15! Its $15 to go to the movies and that's not including the sour patch kids!

So true

 

And I usually play every DA/ME game once a year anyway, so paying 15$ once for something that I'll probably play for years to come isn't all that bad.

[Ashaantha]

ok, I have no comment on the $15 price, since it's $18-approx for me to buy (yay for not living in America/Canada?).

But to those people saying DLC doesn't go on sale, Origin yesterday had Jaws of Hakkon up for 30% off sale. So EA does throw its DLC on sales now and then. Don't know if it still is on sale.

[guntar74]

For me its more a matter of the approach of the dlc and not the cost that determines the sale. I got Hakkon on sale after reading reviews and I liked it for what it was, didn't have any regrets. However then the avaar pack came out.... Bioware lost points. It made me feel like that first package had things taken out of simply to be resold to me later. Especially since the armor sets were in the dlc already, felt like buying an unlock button. So I will be cautious to see if this new dlc waits to give you dwarf,darkspawn or lyrium themed items in a Spoils of the deeproads afterwards.

[Deebo305]

Honestlu I spent about a week fully exploring and completing JoH, I still feel it was a great experience none the less. I expect the same with the Descent dlc

Besides you want to ripped off then don't wag your finger at EA/Bioware and glance over At Activision/Bungie with their Taken Wallet "expansion" with the price ranging from $40-$80

[Lebanese Dude]

Lol @ some of the posts here

 

One highlight is people IGNORING the estimated time for DLC completion by the BIOWARE developers and using their OWN completion time in comparison to the estimated time for DLC completion by the CPDR developers. Do you honestly believe their 30 hour figure is applicable to the same people who finished JoH in 2 hours? I see you. I see you.

 

 

What's also funny is that CPDR is once again fooling the SAME people with terminology. What they call expansions are merely DLC for BioWare. BioWare reserves the term "expansion" for full-fledged independent extensions of the main game like Awakening, as they should. 

 

You try so hard to justify your own bitching it's ****** laughable. 15$ for an infinitely accessible extension to a game you supposedly enjoy. QQ.

 

 

Are you also seriously comparing DLC completion times from PREVIOUS games to the current ones? Again with the unfair comparisons. DAI is an exploration-heavy game in a manner that is significantly different than its predecessors. Expect to spend a significantly larger amount of time exploring the Deep Roads. To be honest I expect us to see and experience the Deep Roads like never before. I can't ****** wait.

 

Naturally, the ratio between dialogue (what people here call story) and everything else is going to be less but that's a natural byproduct of the massive increase in scope that the game affords. Is experiencing the lore FOR YOURSELF bad now? Or what you call story only supposed to be what you HEAR? I'd rather explore the Deep Roads and see the ancient thaigs and dwarven culture for myself than hear Forgettable NPC #2031 talk about them.

 

Since when was lore and exploration NOT part of the story? Is setting NOT the story? Is atmosphere NOT part of the story? It's like some people have never picked up a book in their life.

 

Ugh... bye

 

[Call Me Jord]

If I get my money's worth, I'll gladly pay that price.

 

I got my money's worth with Jaws of Hakkon. Heck, I would of paid that price of the DLC for the simple fact that the Rifts dropped Tier 4 Armour schematics.

 

 

 

But yeah, I've purchased every other DLC at their price points from Bioware, and will continue to do so. I seem to be one of few people that would at this point lol. I mean, how difficult is it to put money aside here and there? No matter how small the amount is.

[Snowy-Ninja]

Just out of interest how much would you pay for a DLC like this? 
 

But £11.99 / $15 isn't that bad really, I got at least 8 hours out of JOH so I expect the same or more from this DLC. I can't really say if that's expensive to the american buyers or anything but it sounds reasonable to me, I mean we are paying for the hard work of the people that put these games together so you can't expect them to just chuck them out for free can you? 

[AllThatJazz]

Given that I'm getting two of the things I really wanted out of this dlc (Deep Roads/ Dwarven stuff and a dungeon crawl), I think this price point is fair enough. I spent a good ten hours on my first playthrough of JoH and it's replayable many times for me, whereas the Witcher 3 expansions (which I have preordered anyway) will really only be played once or twice (I haven't played any Witcher game more than twice, can't see W3 being any different).

 

Edit: I spend more than £11.99 on stuff that isn't nearly as much fun as this looks like being

[House Lannister]

This tired old argument again.

 

Actually, CDPR has stated that both of the (so called) expansions will total approximately 20-25 hours of additional content (thats for the both together). JoH is about 5 hours speeding through, and 10ish doing everything. Sounds about the same as what CDPR says about the smaller of its paid content, 10 hours (15 for the second and bigger one).

 

Except the Witcher 3 DLC is going to be cheaper and apparently longer.

 

Also CDR said that the first DLC will be about 10 hrs long while the second would be 20hrs long.

[House Lannister]

Like it or not, exploring all the regions and collecting all the collectibles is part of the gameplay.  So is closing all the rifts, and unlocking the reward for the shard collecting.

 

I haven't played Witcher 3 so I can't make any direct comparisons, but I am getting very tired of "Witcher this, Witcher that" in regard to Dragon Age.  They, too, are actually selling quite a bit of DLC and their expansions.  BioWare has also provided some pretty nifty free DLC--multiplayer DLC has always been free, and they also gave us the Black Emporium DLC (which was created post-release to be added to the game, it was not something they had simply held back to polish).

 

Bottom line?  They are both companies and they are both trying to make money.  Both of them care what the fans want and like, but aside from the warm fuzzy feeling they get when their fans love their work, the reason for that is because they want us to give them our money.  If we're not happy they won't get our money.

 

No, Witcher 3 is selling two expansions. The rest of their DLC was free.

[nici2412]

Yes it will be overpriced. Just like every other DAI dlc. Apparently enough people are willing to buy them, so they did everything right. Eaware is not your friend, just keep that in mind.

[berelinde]

Fair enough. I'm not trying to be a hater or anything, and I'm not really talking about the quality of the actual content. Like you said, I haven't played it yet. I just wish they would return to the model of releasing larger expansions like in the days of yore. They moved away from day one DLC. That shows they can at least learn from their mistakes.

For better or worse, they're moving away from Awakening-style expansions. They require a lot of resources, and ultimately, they aren't profitable for them. We may enjoy them (I loved Awakening!), but BioWare is a business. I would still rather have a few adventures to tide me over between games than have nothing but item packs. I'm highly selective about which games I buy, and there is only so many times I can play through the OC before I reach saturation, so I like having new material to explore, even if it's not a whole new game.

 

Because this particular adventure may be played at any time after the arrival at Skyhold, they are limited in terms of what they can do. They can't kill off any characters because that would impact the main game. They can't reveal anything about the main game's antagonist or any big game plots because doing so would create continuity gaps for players who don't buy the DLC and for those who do. "Wait, why are you showing me this? We already learned all about it in the DLC." So if they are going to have a story DLC, it has to be a side mission and it has to be 100% stand alone.

 

CDPR has promised 2 expansion packs for TW3, but they aren't out yet, either. It's possible that they will both be post-game and that they will both add chapters to the main story, but it's also possible that the scope of them may be more limited. The word "expansion" doesn't have a universally accepted definition, so that could mean anything. There's also no uniformity in the number of hours an expansion or DLC will add to the game. Plus, for all their similarities, TW and DA are very different games. Apples and oranges, in fact. Some people like both with equal enthusiasm, but others prefer one over the other, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[ClickToContinue]

Bioware has never been particularly subtle about milking the dlc cow - one only has to look at the party camp vendor in DA:O - but $15 for a single DLC with maybe 3-4 hours content? Am I the only one who thinks that is unreasonable?

 

I'm tempted to blame this all on EA, but doesn't anyone at Bioware have the chutzpah to stand up to their corporate overlords and say, "Hey, you know what, if we don't treat our customers like dirt, we might actually gain back some goodwill in this industry, and goodwill translates into money."

I have no problem with paying 15 euros for content which I know will work and is enjoyable.

 

Since everyone is comparing DAI to W3 I can only say that while DAI was solid day 1 purchase I had to try W3 through illegal means. I found out that the game was barely functional. It didn't run well and with the exception of dialogue it was 10 incredibly dull hours until I quit. The gameplay simply wasn't there and world lacked attractive elements. I have to admit that the skies were beautiful.

 

So yes, I will get Descent the moment it releases. It's attractive and will provide solid entertainment for the money.

[Mathias]

I think the price is fair, in and of itself, assuming it has 8-10 hours of content. $15 doesn't buy much these days, so I can't really complain. I do think, however, that Bioware/EA are rather more stingy than other companies when it comes to dlc; Higher prices, fewer discounts and few if any freebies.

 

If the content is 8-10, then fantastico!

If it's 3-4 hours, then I know where Bioware can stick my $15. Plus it's almost been 10 months since we had a real, story DLC. It better be more than a few hours.

[Torgette]

I pay $15 for dinner and a drink, so that's not really a big deal to me.

[kingjezza]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

If Bioware charged a $1000 for a DLC I'm pretty sure some on here would still defend them, afterall you can buy a bottle of wine for a $1000 and that might only last an hour.

[pdusen]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

If Bioware charged a $1000 for a DLC I'm pretty sure some on here would still defend them, afterall you can buy a bottle of wine for a $1000 and that might only last an hour.

 

I love that you think you're making an argument here and not just trash-talking people who disagree with you.

 

You go to a movie or buy a DVD/Blu-ray, you're entertained for between 1.5 to 3 hours. It stands to reason that a DLC--or a full game, even-- should be *at least* a comparable length for a comparable price. Once it goes below that threshold it becomes a ripoff. And that doesn't even account for replayability.

 

Frankly, we get games and DLC for pretty freaking cheap, all things considered.

[nici2412]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

If Bioware charged a $1000 for a DLC I'm pretty sure some on here would still defend them, afterall you can buy a bottle of wine for a $1000 and that might only last an hour.

Don't bother. This people will defend bioware to the death.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

If the content is 8-10, then fantastico!

If it's 3-4 hours, then I know where Bioware can stick my $15. Plus it's almost been 10 months since we had a real, story DLC. It better be more than a few hours.

 Mathias, it hasn't even been ten full months since the vanilla game launched. Much less Jaws of Hakkon. 

[Torgette]

Don't bother. This people will defend bioware to the death.

 

If CDPR wants to charge me $15 for an expansion I would be okay with that as well.

[Ashaantha]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

Some people compare it to cinema/coffee or whatever because they class it, and their comparison, as entertainment. Entertainment can include hobbies, movies, going to a club, books, video games, board games etc. Just because you don't see video games, and any addons for them, as entertainment the same way, doesn't mean other people have to see it the same way as you.

 

I personally think $15 for a game addition that, if it's the size of Jaws of Hakkon, will take me 12 hours to complete just once and is available for years on any character I create, is extremely cheap, of course, to reiterate that is my personal evaluation and opinion, and not a "defending the price" or "defending Bioware" method or a fact at all. I honestly couldn't care less about who makes games I play, I only care if I enjoy the game or not, which is completely personal since people are free to enjoy or not-enjoy whatever they want.

 

Obviously you personally think it's over priced, and that's absolutely fine but don't go around trying to say that as a fact or that people who don't agree are Bioware toadies when it's just your personal opinion.

[Lebanese Dude]

The Witcher 3 is selling two DLC. The rest of their insignificant game addons that are equivalent to weapon and armor unlockables in DA2 are free.

 

FTFY

[correctamundo]

If CDPR wants to charge me $15 for an expansion I would be okay with that as well.

 

Yep, no problem at all because it is cheap =)

[jawsisinmywc]

I feel like it is a fair price. Heck, I would even have paid 100€ for just DAI without DLCs, especially considering how many times I have played it (and am still not finished with all my Inquisitors). I spend more than 15€ on a decent meal in a restaurant so spending that on a DLC instead that i personally will probably get another 20 hours out of seems worth it to me. Not to mention that when I think back to my younger years of buying games, they were pretty much the same number price as they are today despite inflation. Well I say Hot Damn to that!

As nice as the idea of the free Witcher DLCs is, they aren't free because the studio/producer is being nice. First of all it is a marketing tactic. They want to win some loyal customers by getting people to think they are a nice company. Second of all, it isn't necessarily free. The cost of all that is planned in their budget. Third, while the DLCs they came out with are cool/fun, they are pretty small. Like one new outfit/look for a single character that you can only change by installing/deinstalling the DLC is really not much. Lastly, and this isn't something that is confirmed and more of me just thinking, I am a bit suspicious as to why they would release a bunch of DLCs spaced apart. Let me explain(and I am disregarding PS4/XBOX): they have no content protection on the discs, but you do need a GOG account to download the DLC. Maybe it is a way to encourage people to buy the game. Also, you don't need to be online to play the game, but connecting to the GOG website is necessary to download the DLCs. With that they could estimate how many people are still playing the game and also how many hours they logged among other data. Their motivation for releasing 16 free DLCs doesn't change whether or not I will play them, but it doesn't make me a loyal customer based on them "being nice".