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[Shechinah]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

Because to some it is comparable; If I purchase a dvd that cost about 15 bucks, I consider the purchase worth it if I find the film enjoyable and if I find I enjoy it enough to replay it. 15 bucks is fine for me in that case regardless of whether or not the length of the film is one hour, two hours or three hours because it is about how much I enjoy watching it and how much I could see myself want to rewatch it.

 

To me, the same applies to games when it comes to downloadable content; If I think I'm going to enjoy it and if I think I'm going to like to replay it then I'm going to aim to buy it when I got the additional money for it. There's a roof for it, sure, but it's certainly not at 15 bucks.

 

Would I pay 15 bucks for pack consisting of only additional armor and/or hairstyles? Doubtful because I am not like to gain the same repeated enjoyment from it thereby I would consider it a waste of my money. 

[Shechinah]

If Bioware charged a $1000 for a DLC I'm pretty sure some on here would still defend them, afterall you can buy a bottle of wine for a $1000 and that might only last an hour.

 

And I am pretty sure that you are able to present a decent counterargument rather than simply taking the presented argument and making it an extreme but alas, just like you, I may be wrong.
 

[Ansea]

15$ sounds to much for me, especially if you look at the whole picture (unless the DLC length would be above 15H). If I would buy the two DLCs, it would cost me half of the price of the core game for not even 1/3 of its duration.

However that's their policy and my actual and (probably) your actual way to protest against it, is not to buy it or at least not to buy it at full price. At least, nowadays like someone already mentionned it, DLC are subject to sales since they gave up the Bioware points system.

[Avejajed]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

If Bioware charged a $1000 for a DLC I'm pretty sure some on here would still defend them, after all you can buy a bottle of wine for a $1000 and that might only last an hour.

 

Not the way I drink wine. 20 minutes, tops. Sipping is for snobs. 

 

I don't know why comparing a 3-4 hour DLC that I have fun playing is any different than a 2-3 hour movie that I have fun watching. Except the movie doesn't last as long and costs more. $19.99 for the DVD and way more than that if I actually go to the movie and I don't get to keep it.  What it boils down to is people will find anything they can to complain about. Nobody's forcing you to have any fun. Go sit in the corner and be a miserable cheapskate if you want.

[correctamundo]

Most certainly will pay in full.

[frankf43]

No, Witcher 3 is selling two expansions. The rest of their DLC was free.

Finisher moves? that's not a dlc but a patch. 

[Flog the Undying]

Still seems like a rip off to me. CD Projekt are offering two expansions - yes, expansions, not DLC - for $25 total, and they are predicting 30+ hours of content.

 

Most of the reports I read online, e.g. IGN, Metro, said that Jaws was about 5-6 hours.

 

CD Projekt red are subsidised by the Polish government, of course they can provide more content for less.

 

 

If Bioware start receiving substantial amounts of money from Canada, maybe then you can start comparing the two.

[Call Me Jord]

So any news on a new Level Cap or anything?

 

I wonder if we'll get a new Tier of Armour as well. 

 

The fantastic thing about Jaws of Hakkon, as I mentioned before, was the Tier 4 Schematics from Rifts, and all the materials you needed to make it the best were dropped by mobs and I think the Rifts as well.

 

I hope they continue this trend in Descent. Rifts are probably a no go, so maybe just have groups of Darkspawn being led by an Emissary, and the Emissary is the one to have the new Tier Armour schematics, and the mobs have the new materials.

[Lebanese Dude]

Not the way I drink wine. 20 minutes, tops. Sipping is for snobs. 

 

I don't know why comparing a 3-4 hour DLC that I have fun playing is any different than a 2-3 hour movie that I have fun watching. Except the movie doesn't last as long and costs more. $19.99 for the DVD and way more than that if I actually go to the movie and I don't get to keep it.  What it boils down to is people will find anything they can to complain about. Nobody's forcing you to have any fun. Go sit in the corner and be a miserable cheapskate if you want.

 

Gamers are so spoiled it's funny.

 

The last time I went to a club with friends I spent like 40$ on drinks. Hey I could have QQ'd about the price tag but I wanted to have fun with friends.

 

Similarly, I am interested in Dragon Age lore and will buy their DLC because I know I will have fun. 

[Matthew VM]

I was outraged when I saw SoA being sold for $5 after having bought JoH for $15. I was expecting to get new armours and we only got one. A few months later, they released a small dlc with Avvar themed armour and stuff for another $5 and I thought that was low. In my opinion, SoA should have been included in JoH. Period.

 

Having said that, I'm still so happy we're getting another sp story dlc (and knowing it isn't the last one) that having to pay the same amount I paid for JoH (which was generally a good dlc) doesn't bother me at all. It isn't overpriced. Some dlc for some games cost more with literally less than an hour of gameplay content (I know this is a low blow, but I'm look at you, The Sims 4). The only thing that will drive me mad at BioWare is if they release another Spoils of Whatever related to the previous dlc. Honestly, that's ridiculous. Spoils of Qunari was okay (bugs aside, which is the only reason I haven't bought it yet), but releasing a item pack related to the previous story dlc is lame. It's like a deluxe edition of a dlc and oh I hope that doesn't become a trend.

 

What bugs me the most here is people are judging too much from a short trailer that clearly tried not to give away too much. That dungeon seems to be HUGE, actually. I'm pretty sure we're getting at least 4 hours of content, a reasonable amount of new enemies with new mechanics and that is basically all we know for certain, at least for now. If you're not a fan and haven't been expecting this dlc like crazy, just wait for the reviews, take a look at the list of contents, watch some videos and decide if it is worth it or not. Maybe buy it on sale in a few months, but please don't act like you have the new dlc that isn't even out yet all figured out? Thank you. You're welcome.

[Ashaantha]

-snip- Some dlc for some games cost more with literally less than an hour of gameplay content (I know this is a low blow, but I'm look at you, The Sims 4). snip-

 

Someone said it! , I wanted to being TS4 up as a DLC comparison, oh I did but just... noped out of it.

 

I agree with your entire post, but just wanted to have a little laugh about that particular sentence

[Jester]

CD Projekt red are subsidised by the Polish government, of course they can provide more content for less.

 

 

If Bioware start receiving substantial amounts of money from Canada, maybe then you can start comparing the two.

Of course it's not. It's an established private company. If you have other information, you better give a source.

[Avejajed]

Of course it's not. It's an established private company. If you have other information, you better give a source.

 

https://www.telltale...policy-thoughts

 

http://visegradinsig...-valley24092014/

 

https://www.reddit.c...is_visiting_cd/

 

http://www.gamespot....oland-32136562/

 

 

[berelinde]

15$ sounds to much for me, especially if you look at the whole picture (unless the DLC length would be above 15H). If I would buy the two DLCs, it would cost me half of the price of the core game for not even 1/3 of its duration.

However that's their policy and my actual and (probably) your actual way to protest against it, is not to buy it or at least not to buy it at full price. At least, nowadays like someone already mentionned it, DLC are subject to sales since they gave up the Bioware points system.

You can't really compare the production costs of the base game to those of the DLC. The base game will sell more units, so the cost per unit is less, and therefore the amount they have to charge for the game is less. Plus, assets developed for the base game may be used for the entire base game whereas assets developed for the DLC are not referenced on a game-wide scale. So if they need to spend money to create an animation for the DLC, they can only recover the costs through the DLC. If they needed separate ladder models for the Hinterlands, the Emerald Graves, the Forbidden Oasis, the Emprise du Lion, the Western Approach, the Fallow Mire, and the Hissing Wastes, the game would have cost a lot more.

[RedLens37]

I know the point has been made, but come on...complaining about paying $15 for additional content in a game you supposedly enjoy is just ridiculous. I can't go out for a decent dinner with my family for less than 75-100 bucks, and that's over and done in an hour or two. I'll gladly pay $15 to sit down after dinner EVERY NIGHT for a month to play a game that I find fun.

[berelinde]

I love these threads as every single time you get a horde of people come along and compare the price to that of a coffee/meal/cinema visit etc. in some weird attempt to defend their over priced DLC.

 

If Bioware charged a $1000 for a DLC I'm pretty sure some on here would still defend them, afterall you can buy a bottle of wine for a $1000 and that might only last an hour.

Coffee, meals, and theater are familiar units of measure for a lot of people. Sure, I suppose a person could calculate the cost of a DLC in goats (0.125 goats, since you ask), but that doesn't mean much.

[Apollexander]

Oh, there ain't no rest for the wicked,

Money don't grow on trees,

I got bills to pay,

I got mouths to feed,

There ain't nothing in this world for free.

Oh no I can't slow down,

I can't hold back

Though you know, I wish, I could,

Oh no there ain't no rest for the wicked,

Until we close our eyes for good.

[robertmarilyn]

Coffee, meals, and theater are familiar units of measure for a lot of people. Sure, I suppose a person could calculate the cost of a DLC in goats (0.125 goats, since you ask), but that doesn't mean much.

 

I have a pet goat (named Milly Goat) and she's priceless.   

[Andraste_Reborn]

So I guess the question then becomes: is The Descent as entertaining as 0.125% of a goat? Find out Tuesday!

 

(Or Wednesday, if you live in Europe. Or Australia, for that matter, because timezones.)

[Flog the Undying]

Of course it's not. It's an established private company. If you have other information, you better give a source.

 

Sorry, but yes it is.

 

http://visegradinsig...valley24092014/

 

" As a side note, CD Projekt RED received substantial financial aid from the state and Europe."

[Demonique]

Actually, CDPR has stated that both of the - actual - expansions will total 30 hours or more of content. Source? GoG, interviews with the creative director Konrad Tomaszkiewicz, and numerous other sites, e.g. Forbes, and GameInformer, inter alia.

 

I don't know what "smaller content" you are speaking about. CDPR's 16 DLC have been entirely free, including the new GamePlus mode and numerous quests. Compare that with the Spoils of Qunari pack which Bioware just released, cosmetic gear that would have been free with the Witcher, but was released by EA for $4.99.

 

Also, I don't factor in shard collection and random busy work as "gameplay" like you all seem to. I'm talking strictly about narrative content.

 

I don't know why you're defending these kinds of practices. It's not about Bioware vs. CDPR, I'm merely using them as a point of comparison. It's about consumer-friendly business practices, which EA is making little effort to engage in.

 

 

https://www.gog.com/..._expansion_pass

 

http://www.forbes.co...-expansion-dlc/

 

http://www.gameinfor...-wild-hunt.aspx

 

Bioware has to record four different player character voices and do animations for 8 different PC bodies, The Witcher only has to record one.

[berelinde]

So I guess the question then becomes: is The Descent as entertaining as 0.125% of a goat? Find out Tuesday!

 

(Or Wednesday, if you live in Europe. Or Australia, for that matter, because timezones.)

Some goats, perhaps, but obviously not robertmarilyn's!

[Torgette]

I can't remember the last time somebody complained about $15 expansion being anti-consumer, there's been plenty of complaints across the market about things like: early access ripoffs, kickstarters draining people and not producing anything, charging enormous sums for season passes, charging for season passes then not producing anything, taking Sony/Microsoft money for exclusivity/timed exclusivity (something EA is guilty of with Jaws of Hakkon), microtransactions, pay-to-win, charging money for cosmetic dlc (also something EA is guilty of), etc.

 

Just charging $15 for an expansion though is fine, and is a step up from the Spoils DLC/Hakkon practices. The only knock on it that we know of at this point is that it's next-gen only which sucks for last-gen consumers but is also a boon for next-gen consumers so that's a 50/50 deal at worst.

 

Elite: Dangerous just the other day announced a $40 expansion that lets you land on moons and drive a rover, this is to an early access game that technically still isn't finished, stuff like that is where I draw the line.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Coffee, meals, and theater are familiar units of measure for a lot of people. Sure, I suppose a person could calculate the cost of a DLC in goats (0.125 goats, since you ask), but that doesn't mean much.

 

 

So I guess the question then becomes: is The Descent as entertaining as 0.125% of a goat? Find out Tuesday!

 

12.5% actually. 

 

*goes back to lurking* 

[SomberXIII]

lol. 15$ is way less than how much I spent on entertainment.