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[Ariella]

It's less than most hardback novels.

Hell one of Patterson's new novels is 14.99 as an epub, which is usually less than the hardback.

[Jester]

Sorry, but yes it is.

 

http://visegradinsig...valley24092014/

 

" As a side note, CD Projekt RED received substantial financial aid from the state and Europe."

Received. Past tense. Because of gog.com starting up (which is a sister company).

It;s not receiving it presently. 

 

 

https://www.telltale...policy-thoughts

 

http://visegradinsig...-valley24092014/

 

https://www.reddit.c...is_visiting_cd/

 

http://www.gamespot....oland-32136562/

Again. Received.

The other links are about Polish Prime Minister visiting (which has nothing to do with subsidy) and about legal trouble (again not connected to any subsidies). 

 

Most starting up small companies receive subsidy (mostly from EU funds, not actual government funds). 

But it was presented as if they are getting it now, and because of that they can make cheaper content (which is simply untrue). 

They can make cheaper content because they have good PR, devoted fanbase and because work is cheaper in Poland than in Canada or US. Not necessarily in that order. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

The only thing the DLC should be compared to is the main game. 15 is 1 quarter of 60, so I would expect to get 1 quarter of the content of the main game. Roughly. If I enjoy it a quarter as much or more then I got my money's worth.

That said I didn't buy the previous DLCs due to lack of interest. I'll wait to see if this one interests me before buying.

[Lord Gunsmith 90]

We'll find out if it's all worth it tuesday.

[SofaJockey]

But yeah, I've purchased every other DLC at their price points from Bioware, and will continue to do so. I seem to be one of few people that would at this point lol. I mean, how difficult is it to put money aside here and there? No matter how small the amount is.

 

Yep, I'm with you, from the high points (Shadow Broker) to the low points (Spoils of the Qunari) I've not regretted BioWare dlc, though some I've enjoyed more than others. JoH was decent, I'm sure the Descent will be, er, decent too...

 

JoH was $15, why would TD not be?

 

The only thing the DLC should be compared to is the main game. 15 is 1 quarter of 60, so I would expect to get 1 quarter of the content of the main game. Roughly. If I enjoy it a quarter as much or more then I got my money's worth.
That said I didn't buy the previous DLCs due to lack of interest. I'll wait to see if this one interests me before buying.

 

This is spurious logic, I've probably spent 300 hours in DAI, I'm not going to spend 75 in this dlc.

But it's a price I'm happy to pay to enjoy some 'extra' DAI. 

[Ariella]

Yep, I'm with you, from the high points (Shadow Broker) to the low points (Spoils of the Qunari) I've not regretted BioWare dlc, though some I've enjoyed more than others. JoH was decent, I'm sure the Descent will be, er, decent too...
 
JoH was $15, why would TD not be?
 
 
This is spurious logic, I've probably spent 300 hours in DAI, I'm not going to spend 75 in this dlc.
But it's a price I'm happy to pay to enjoy some 'extra' DAI.

And if that survey that was leaked was legitimate, they were asking about the same price for what was described.

[cdizzle2k3]

So pretty much every DLC announcement will end up with a comparison to CDPR and their 16 free DLC for the Witcher 3? I think the Witcher 3 is an awesome game, but you can't even compare the Descent/Hakkon DLC to the free DLC for the Witcher 3. Literally half of them are single armor sets and alternate (sexier) outfits for the main female characters, then 1 is haircuts, 1 is a skin for Gwent cards.

 

I'm not saying those aren't welcome additions, but you can almost argue that those were things purposely snipped from the game in order to trickle back in as a good gesture. You sure as hell can't reasonably make the parallel that we are getting ripped off now since Witcher 3 gave free DLC. CDPR literally would not have been able to sell that DLC to us how they are right now. They would've had to either tack them on to one of their upcoming "expansions" or possibly sell all of them together as a bundle(which wouldn't make sense since they're not really related). Do I think it's awesome that there is free DLC, of course! I've downloaded all of them the day they are released! But $15 DLC is a fairly standard price for non-cosmetic content. Even if Bioware gave us free DLC(possibly new hairstyles or new Skyhold pajamas), I'm sure these same people would downplay it as a fake gesture or say it's not genuine because they're copying CDPR.

 

That being said, I'd welcome new Skyhold pajamas with open arms or alternate companion appearances for Skyhold. lol 

[Ariella]

That being said, I'd welcome new Skyhold pajamas with open arms or alternate companion appearances for Skyhold. lol

Get rid of that stupid puce mantel/overtunic that Cullen wears.

And people did complain about the free dlc Bioware did put out. They didn't think that Black Emporium gave them enough toys... Even though Bioware replicated the original pretty faithfully, got Nick Boulton back to do the voice work for Xenon. Gave us the Mirror of Transformation, schematics for unique weapons etc...

Bioware also added functionality post release in patches, they just didn't make a big deal of it that I saw. The one that stuck out for me was after the first patch I used the search function and it pinged on the radar as well as highlighting resources. It was really nice.

*shrug*

All I know is my husband is unhappy about the DLC. It's going to cut into his King's Quest time.

[SofaJockey]

All I know is my husband is unhappy about the DLC. It's going to cut into his King's Quest time.

 

As someone who played the original, I have some Kings Quest planned after The Descent 

[Ariella]

As someone who played the original, I have some Kings Quest planned after The Descent 

Yuph, had a PC jr, many many moons ago. The new version is good, and visually beautiful. It looks like the old Don Bluth Dragon Quest arcade game, except better!

[LightningSamus]

Why is anyone surprised by this?

[SofaJockey]

... It looks like the old Don Bluth Dragon Quest arcade game, except better!

 

I threw so much money into that !

DLC is so much better value now (slides back on topic )... 

[Ariella]

I threw so much money into that !
DLC is so much better value now (slides back on topic )... 

Yes, DLC are MUCH better value now. Could burn through 15 bucks easy at a decent arcade. I love my consoles... but I do miss arcade.

Still, you would ever get the kind of wonders we have now in an arcade.

[cdizzle2k3]

And people did complain about the free dlc Bioware did put out. They didn't think that Black Emporium gave them enough toys... Even though Bioware replicated the original pretty faithfully, got Nick Boulton back to do the voice work for Xenon. Gave us the Mirror of Transformation, schematics for unique weapons etc...

Bioware also added functionality post release in patches, they just didn't make a big deal of it that I saw. The one that stuck out for me was after the first patch I used the search function and it pinged on the radar as well as highlighting resources. It was really nice.

 

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about those! As much as people complain about it, that's arguably where all the best weapons are bought. Plus top tier schematics and crafting materials for those who aren't big into farming. In Witcher 3 marketing terms, that's like 50 free DLC! lol

[Aulis Vaara]

See, your issue is that you don't count "busywork" as gameplay content. But I can guarantee you that CDPR is counting every little thing for their thirty hours figure.

 

Have you even played The Witcher 3? There are no "collect X ram meat" quests, and definitely no "collect 144 magical shards to open this temple" quests.

[X Equestris]

Have you even played The Witcher 3? There are no "collect X ram meat" quests, and definitely no "collect 144 magical shards to open this temple" quests.

Sure, but there are still plenty of little things that you don't have to do to advance the story or anything. Plenty of ingredient gathering and treasure finding. And you can safely bet that every second of it has been counted by CDPR to reach their thirty hour total. All game companies count those things, because it's better for advertising.

[Dabrikishaw]

When Jaws of Hakkon was released, I passed on buying it because it didn't seem to contain content I was interest in relative to the 15$ cost.. Now it's been a few months and plenty of info on what's in it has come to light I decided to buy it today.

 

This new DLC isn't available for last gen so I'm out either way, but depending on what's in it I would probably buy it.

[Jester]

The only thing the DLC should be compared to is the main game. 15 is 1 quarter of 60, so I would expect to get 1 quarter of the content of the main game. Roughly. If I enjoy it a quarter as much or more then I got my money's worth.

That said I didn't buy the previous DLCs due to lack of interest. I'll wait to see if this one interests me before buying.

That doesn't sound like a very good way to measure DLC worth. It means that it's fair to sell a 4 hour DLC to a 15 hour game (for $15), but it's not fair to sell a 10 hour DLC for $15 to a 100 hour game. 

[House Lannister]

So pretty much every DLC announcement will end up with a comparison to CDPR and their 16 free DLC for the Witcher 3? I think the Witcher 3 is an awesome game, but you can't even compare the Descent/Hakkon DLC to the free DLC for the Witcher 3. Literally half of them are single armor sets and alternate (sexier) outfits for the main female characters, then 1 is haircuts, 1 is a skin for Gwent cards.

I'm not saying those aren't welcome additions, but you can almost argue that those were things purposely snipped from the game in order to trickle back in as a good gesture. You sure as hell can't reasonably make the parallel that we are getting ripped off now since Witcher 3 gave free DLC. CDPR literally would not have been able to sell that DLC to us how they are right now. They would've had to either tack them on to one of their upcoming "expansions" or possibly sell all of them together as a bundle(which wouldn't make sense since they're not really related). Do I think it's awesome that there is free DLC, of course! I've downloaded all of them the day they are released! But $15 DLC is a fairly standard price for non-cosmetic content. Even if Bioware gave us free DLC(possibly new hairstyles or new Skyhold pajamas), I'm sure these same people would downplay it as a fake gesture or say it's not genuine because they're copying CDPR.

You're right in that we shouldn't compare this dlc to the free witcher one. The spoil of avaar or whatever its called is a ripoff however.

[Aulis Vaara]

Sure, but there are still plenty of little things that you don't have to do to advance the story or anything. Plenty of ingredient gathering and treasure finding. And you can safely bet that every second of it has been counted by CDPR to reach their thirty hour total. All game companies count those things, because it's better for advertising.

 

We'll see when it comes out, but I'm pretty sure you'll be wrong. Because that's just the kind of thing CDPR does. They actually still want to satisfy their fans, unlike EA, who would really just like you to give them money while doing nothing for you in return. But hey, that's just my impression and you don't have to take my word for it.

[Savber100]

I paid a pretty sum for Lair of the Shadow Broker and I found worth it. 

So I'll wait for purchase to see if the DLC is worth $15 bucks before buying if the price is warranted. 

[AWTEW]

I cant believe you people are so cheap. Its $15! Its $15 to go to the movies and that's not including the sour patch kids!

 

Actually, it largely depends on what cinema you go too, what cinema discounts you can get, and what day of the week you go,(here at least). Here in AU if a DLC in US is priced $15, it cost us (nine-times-out-of-ten) 

$25

 

So, if this DLC is 10 hours, and I can see a 2.5 hour film for $5 aud: It is actually better value to see a film.

[Sunnie]

Have you even played The Witcher 3? There are no "collect X ram meat" quests, and definitely no "collect 144 magical shards to open this temple" quests.

Both of which are completely optional, you don't need to do either one.

[Jester]

Both of which are completely optional, you don't need to do either one.

The problem is, that there are very few quests with quality narrative (anything more than collect/bring/kill thing X and talk to person Y with barely any dialogue and backstory I consider quality narrative here) - especially when you compare their number to the overall size of the game.

 

There are basically 0-5 such quests per zone - with zero in Forbidden Oasis (entire area is nothing more than Shard collecting, place to deposit your shards, 1-2 fetch quests and several Rifts). 

Other zones are a bit better - Crestwood has one quest (excluding main story stuff), but it's long and interesting. Western Approach has a few, but they are mostly short and connected to exploring areas and hunting a dragon. Hinterlands have barely anything. Storm Coast has one - and so on.

The other issue is that basically in all area quests, there are no choices to be made. You just follow a linear path of waypoints, with scarce dialogue, kill some enemies and sometimes go back to the quest giver. 

 

There are companion quests (1 per companion, others relate to bringing them items/killing their enemies in random places), a nemesis quest, main storyline... and that's basically it. There's this huge, beautiful, expansive world, and it's filled in 90% with very shallow content. 

That's the worst offence of DA:I, right next to it's final mission and ending.

 

And this is a shame, because they showed that they can write and execute excellent quests, with "In Hushed Whispers", "Champions of the Just", "In Your Heart Shall Burn", "Here Lies the Abyss" or "Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts". It's just a pity that they didn't put even 10% of the effort that was put into those quests, into regular side quests within the world. Because of that, all that beautiful scenery and variation in landscape feels... wasted. 

 

They sadly did the exact opposite of what DA2 did. In DA2, we had interesting narrative (or at least a narrative at all!) in almost all quests - but the lack of variation in location, and fighting the same enemies on the same maps killed that game. On the other hand, Inquisition has varied enemies, and vastly different, interesting and huge environments, with very little of value to do.

 

I'm waiting for DA4 to get it right. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

That doesn't sound like a very good way to measure DLC worth. It means that it's fair to sell a 4 hour DLC to a 15 hour game (for $15), but it's not fair to sell a 10 hour DLC for $15 to a 100 hour game. 

 

Sure, if the value is only measured in hours

 

Perhaps my comment was not well thought out. I was at work typing on my phone, but in any case, I agree, it's a double edged sword. If I can play 100 hours in the main game, its not likely the DLC will be worth $15 to me.