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[Whatnow12012]

This will probably be my final TC in the Bioware Forums, seems like every time I Post up, I get Banned or Morderated Message so this is likely my Final Say & my final TC.

 

This is an open Letter to Bioware to Anyone at Bioware who will read this Letter. This is a subject I am equally Passionate About such as other gaming deals from Always Online to DRM to Micro-Transactions. This is about Bioware Droping Last Gen Support & No Future DLCs on Last Gen consoles being PS3-360 Consoles.

 

To Bioware,

 

I say this, If you were this dead-set against Future DLCs such as The Descent on Last Gen then why in the World did you Release all the previous DLCs on Last Gen or why in the World did you even bring Inquisition to Last Gen consoles to begin with.

 

Me I say is this, if you are going to Drop Something then why in the World did you even make a PS3-360 version of Inquisition to begin with. This is Unfair & a Slap in the Face to Last Gen owners, Many of my Friends are equally upset over this & some have sold thier Inquisition copies & also some went so far to even Delete their Saves, World Saves on Dragon's Keep & everything on Inquisition on PS3-360 consoles they played the game on.

 

If I knew you were going to Drop Inquisition I would have never Pre-Ordered Inquisition on Day 1 such as I did with Inquisition on Day 1 of its release even getting its Strategy Guide which I still own.

 

I am such a Passionate Bioware Fan & Loyal Bioware Supporter so much so I have been with you guys since Jade Empire Days even before then with Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance. But moves such as these question my Loyalty & makes me wonder why do I continue to support Bioware & purchase their games.

 

I have spent But Loads of Money on DLC Content for Inquisition last being Jaws of Hakkon, now I find out I am unable to Purchase & unable to play new DLC Content such as The Descent.

 

Like I tell my friends this is a Cheap Marketing Gimmick to Force people to Upgrade to Current Consoles which I am not doing cause I can play many games on my PS3 Such as Persona 5 to Tales Of Zesiria which is my 11th Tales game.

 

I am really Disappointed by this new Move from Bioware & your choice to Drop Last Gen Support, like I say if you didnt want DLC then why did you make Last Gen Inquisition.

 

Also did you guys even Test & Play Inquisition on PS3-360 consoles do you know how Buggy, Glitchy & Unplayable & Broken the game is.

 

Freezes, Glitches, Dialogue Doesnt Show, Sera's Prank deal Locks my Game, I can go on & On.

 

Like I said if you didnt Want this game on Last gen then why did you make this game on Last Gen.

 

So what now I have to

 

1. Repurchase every DLC Content from Jaws of Hakkon + The Descent being 14.99 a Pop

 

2. I would have to Re-Patch my Updates when I go PS4

 

3. I would have to Reload my World State into my PS4

 

I dont know if it is worth so much of a Hassle to go through so much. Dont know if I will Upgrade Inquisition when I go PS4. By then Dragon Age 4 will be out anyways.

 

 

 

 

[thats1evildude]

This will probably be my final TC in the Bioware Forums, seems like every time I Post up, I get Banned or Morderated Message so this is likely my Final Say & my final TC.

 

 

Your unwieldy grasp of capitalization will be missed.

 

 

I have spent But Loads of Money on DLC Content for Inquisition last being Jaws of Hakkon

 

How did you accomplish this feat, considering the only DLC released before this point was Jaws of Hakkon, plus the two item packs?

[thats1evildude]

1. Repurchase every DLC Content from Jaws of Hakkon + The Descent being 14.99 a Pop

 

There is actually a cross-buy program for Jaws of Hakkon that lets you get the DLC for free if you go to the PS4.

 

http://www.dragonage...oss-buy-program

 

There is also a save importer that lets you move saves across platforms, so you wouldn't have to recreate anything.

 

http://www.dragonage...s/save-importer

 

But you would have to re-buy DAI, yes. For that, you have my tiny kernel of sympathy.

[10K]

You keep asking EAware why they made this game for old gen if they aren't going to support it anymore. But I ask you isn't it obviously? Now that there's no more support for last gen, people like yourself whom love to support EAware will buy this game again, brand new even, along with the DLCs again. Resulting in more money for them. They don't care if they make you or anyone else upset with their business practices. Because for every one upset fan, there are two new EAware fans that will replace you. Your feelings and feedback is irrelevant.

[thats1evildude]

You keep asking EAware why they made this game for old gen if they aren't going to support it anymore. But I ask you isn't it obviously? Now that there's no more support for last gen, people like yourself whom love to support EAware will buy this game again, brand new even, along with the DLCs again. Resulting in more money for them. They don't care if they make you or anyone else upset with their business practices. Because for every one upset fan, there are two new EAware fans that will replace you. Your feelings and feedback is irrelevant.

 

Oh yes, and jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

 

Considering that DAI now sells for $15 to $25 (and is free if you have EA Access), how much profit are they going to make on these "new sales" of DAI? Wouldn't it have been more or at least equally profitable just to sell the new DLC to the old gen owners?

 

They said the DLC just wouldn't work on the old gen consoles. Considering how apparently "buggy" the old gen versions of DAI are, isn't it just slightly possible that they're telling the truth?

[devSin]

BioWare had nothing whatsoever to do with Dark Alliance, and to even speak its name is heresy.

That is all.

[thats1evildude]

BioWare had nothing whatsoever to do with Dark Alliance, and to even speak its name is heresy.

That is all.

 

He's so loyal to Bioware that he even plays games made by other companies!

[Paul E Dangerously]

You keep asking EAware why they made this game for old gen if they aren't going to support it anymore. But I ask you isn't it obviously? Now that there's no more support for last gen, people like yourself whom love to support EAware will buy this game again, brand new even, along with the DLCs again. Resulting in more money for them. They don't care if they make you or anyone else upset with their business practices. Because for every one upset fan, there are two new EAware fans that will replace you. Your feelings and feedback is irrelevant.

 

Sadly, this is more or less true. The stance on it is basically "take the money and run".

 

The odd thing is that they waited this long to say it. If it wasn't ever on the cards, then it hasn't been for the development cycle of The Descent, however long that is. JoH came out in March, so around then, possibly? It would have been wrong at any point, but to try and slip it in the way they have and not be forthright about it is a little..yeah.

[Panda]

I can't quite comprehend why Bioware thinks it's okay to do this to their players and fans, but seeing attitude of many posters here it's clear that they can get away with everything. This isn't first time when Bioware abandons part of player base, happened with ME3 and WiiU and will happen again. And  then Bioware's devs keep complaining how people are being toxic and how awful it is when players bash on precious BW and EA. Like seriously? Did they really think they would get away with lewd tactics like dropping patch and DLC support for certain players middle of game's lifetime so that none would be angry at them and feel like they are responsible? Seriously someone on Bioware should man up and take some damn responsibility. They wanted get rid of old gen consoles and players, it's not about how old gen can't handle newest DLC or not how it's impossible to keep supporting old gen- nope, they just want to rid of us and they want us to shut up about it, that's why ban-hammers have been going around.

[thats1evildude]

I can't quite comprehend why Bioware thinks it's okay to do this to their players and fans, but seeing attitude of many posters here it's clear that they can get away with everything.

Nuh-uh! I've been very critical if Bioware's decision to introduce brown nugs.

NUGS ARE PINK, MIKE LAIDLAW! TELL THAT TO YOUR EA OVERLORDS!

*Shakes fist*

[10K]

Oh yes, and jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

Considering that DAI now sells for $15 to $25 (and is free if you have EA Access), how much profit are they going to make on these "new sales" of DAI? Wouldn't it have been more or at least equally profitable just to sell the new DLC to the old gen owners?

They said the DLC just wouldn't work on the old gen consoles. Considering how apparently "buggy" the old gen versions of DAI are, isn't it just slightly possible that they're telling the truth?

Considering most retailers are actually selling the game for around 39.99 american brand new and the free copy for ea access is only for gold members, not everyone is a gold member or will play on xboxone. So I'd say that's a profit to be had. Plus 15.00 extra for those people whom will buy jaws of harrkon again, not to mention those add on packs. Sorry but that's quite a lot factoring in how many people actually did buy the game on last gen. So again why not do this, they're basically selling the game a second time. Profit is profit no matter how small.

[Shechinah]

they want us to shut up about it, that's why ban-hammers have been going around.

 

I'll preface this by saying you and others have my sympathies in regards to old-gen so what I'm about to say will hopefully not be taken an unintended way.

 

I do not consider them to be trying to make people stay quiet about it nor to be banning people for not staying quiet since the thread"Bioware do the right thing - give free copy of DAI on new gen consoles to PS3 & XBOX360 folks" is still running and has not been locked down and there remains numerous comments on other threads, new and old, about the topic with some heavy in regards to criticisms about Bioware.
 

[KBomb]

I can't quite comprehend why Bioware thinks it's okay to do this to their players and fans, but seeing attitude of many posters here it's clear that they can get away with everything. This isn't first time when Bioware abandons part of player base, happened with ME3 and WiiU and will happen again. And then Bioware's devs keep complaining how people are being toxic and how awful it is when players bash on precious BW and EA. Like seriously? Did they really think they would get away with lewd tactics like dropping patch and DLC support for certain players middle of game's lifetime so that none would be angry at them and feel like they are responsible? Seriously someone on Bioware should man up and take some damn responsibility. They wanted get rid of old gen consoles and players, it's not about how old gen can't handle newest DLC or not how it's impossible to keep supporting old gen- nope, they just want to rid of us and they want us to shut up about it, that's why ban-hammers have been going around.

It's your fault for buying the game on old gen. You should have known Bioware would stop giving you patch support and dlc. Did you think they were going to keep giving you patch support and dlc forever? It's been less than a year since release, you can't expect them to continue to support your old, decrepit console forever. Less than a full year is already too long.

Spoiler

At least according to the defenders. Personally, I find it a gross misconduct in which no excuse would be applicable.

[thats1evildude]

Considering most retailers are actually selling the game for around 39.99 american brand new and the free copy for ea access is only for gold members, not everyone is a gold member or will play on xboxone. So I'd say that's a profit to be had. Plus 15.00 extra for those people whom will buy jaws of harrkon again, not to mention those add on packs. Sorry but that's quite a lot factoring in how many people actually did buy the game on last gen. So again why not do this, they're basically selling the game a second time. Profit is profit no matter how small.

 

Cross-buy program. Look at my previous posts.

[10K]

Cross-buy program. Look at my previous posts.

You still act as if they are not going to make a profit from this. Cross-buy or not, there will still be a base revenue period.

Edit: if profit wasn't one of their main purposes for doing this, they could have given everyone who bought this game on last gen a code or something to get the game for free.

[Lee80]

Looking at my back catalog there are games that were abandoned in far worse shape then DAI on my ps3. At least I would certainly hope DAI isn't the nightmare Fallout New Vegas was.      

 

That being said, I feel like BioWare has supported the last gen versions of the game for as long as it was practical.  Once the content they wanted to make was no longer an option for the weaker platforms it was either stop making dlc for everyone or the current solution.  The latter pleases the most people and makes the most financial sense.  I don't suspect it was to sell more copies of a game that has already price dropped.  Many people don't even buy dlc for games.  

 

I've already said it a few times but one last time for the road-I do wish it would have worked out differently and that the new content would have worked on the last gen.  My condolences for what little it's worth.  

[thats1evildude]

You still act as if they are not going to make a profit from this. Cross-buy or not, there will still be a base revenue period.

I contest the ridiculous notion that this is somehow a bid to sell more copies of DAI. The profit to be gained from sales of the DLC to the oldgen platforms would have far outweighed the sale of new DAI copies. That's a ludicrous business plan, especially with the crossbuy program

Whether or not EA is the source of all evil in the world, they're not idiots.

[Panda]

I'll preface this by saying you and others have my sympathies in regards to old-gen so what I'm about to say will hopefully not be taken an unintended way.

 

I do not consider them to be trying to make people stay quiet about it nor to be banning people for not staying quiet since the thread"Bioware do the right thing - give free copy of DAI on new gen consoles to PS3 & XBOX360 folks" is still running and has not been locked down and there remains numerous comments on other threads, new and old, about the topic with some heavy in regards to criticisms about Bioware.
 

 

It was reference to certain thread that I think OP was also speaking about and where warnings and bans have happened.

 

It's your fault for buying the game on old gen. You should have known Bioware would stop giving you patch support and dlc. Did you think they were going to keep giving you patch support and dlc forever? It's been less than a year since release, you can't expect them to continue to support your old, decrepit console forever. Less than a full year is already too long.

Spoiler

At least according to the defenders. Personally, I find it a gross misconduct in which no excuse would be applicable.

 

Yes obviously I shouldn't have bought the game for platform it was sold for and I owned

[10K]

I contest the ridiculous notion that this is somehow a bid to sell more copies of DAI. The profit to be gained from sales of the DLC to the oldgen platforms would have far outweighed the sale of new DAI copies. That's a ludicrous business plan, especially with the crossbuy program
Whether or not EA is the source of all evil in the world, they're not idiots.

Then why not give those players the game for free? Give them a code or anything. But they're not. A lot of last gen players will have to buy this game again, resulting in more money for them. Profit may have not been their main reason, but I'd bet anything it played a part in it.

[Carmen_Willow]

There is actually a cross-buy program for Jaws of Hakkon that lets you get the DLC for free if you go to the PS4.

 

http://www.dragonage...oss-buy-program

 

There is also a save importer that lets you move saves across platforms, so you wouldn't have to recreate anything.

 

http://www.dragonage...s/save-importer

 

But you would have to re-buy DAI, yes. For that, you have my tiny kernel of sympathy.

You say that sarcastically, and I wouldn't have a problem with Bioware's making this decision IF THEY HAD TOLD US! This is a classic variation of bait and switch. Had I known that Bioware had no intention of supporting the entire Inquisition package, I would have bought it for PC!  Now I have to repurchase the game if I want to play any future DLCs - what  GREAT WAY for Bioware to recoup the money they spent bringing 360 and PS 3 users on board. 

 

You know, not everyone can run out and buy new consoles, especially consoles that, in the beginning cost what 500$? Especially when those consoles wouldn't play the old games. Some of us have children to feed, or fixed incomes we depend on. Having a full and informed picture of how Bioware planned to market this game would have been appreciated by those of us who have no money to waste. (By know, I think you know how I feel about your tiny kernel.)

[chrstnmonks]

Then why not give those players the game for free? Give them a code or anything. But they're not. A lot of last gen players will have to buy this game again, resulting in more money for them. Profit may have not been their main reason, but I'd bet anything it played a part in it.

Because Sony and Microsoft may have said no? 

[Panda]

Because Sony and Microsoft may have said no? 

 

I doubt that is case when there is other games that have had free upgrade.

[GithCheater]

I doubt that is case when there is other games that have had free upgrade.

Reasons were given as to why Microsoft and Sony policies made offering a free upgrade impractical.


http://forum.bioware...-going-forward/

Buying a used next-gen copy does not provide additional revenue to Bioware as a reward for this fiasco.

[sleasye74]

Isn't it possible that Microsoft and Sony have influence over EA and other companies to push people to next gen and BW's way of doing that was to cut out old gen?
I bought a xbone last March because I assumed DAI was going to be next gen only and I probably should not have at the time because money reasons but I still did and found a way to make it work out, sometimes it doesn't work out and I know if I was playing DAI on 360 I would be pissed off too. All I can say to ps360 owners is your going to have to upgrade sooner or later and from my experience, now is the time to do it to save your selves the unneeded anger or other emotions.
Money is tight these days but that's what friends and family are for, to help you if they can and if they do please remember to pay them back. ; )

[Wolven_Soul]

BioWare had nothing whatsoever to do with Dark Alliance, and to even speak its name is heresy.

That is all.

 

*Shudders and immediately banishes the horrid memories lest the nightmares begin again*