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[CDR Aedan Cousland]

And the Bioware Cool Kids Clique™ once again dog-piles Dutch. Will wonders never cease.

[thats1evildude]

And the Bioware Cool Kids Clique™ once again dog-piles Dutch.

They did? How come I didn't hear the conch shell?

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=iXlskUxlI7E

[Ariella]

They did? How come I didn't hear the conch shell?https://m.youtube.co...h?v=iXlskUxlI7E

I didn't hear it either. I do remember Dutch post 2 or 3 threads of 'I hate DAI' themes within a few minutes of each other a month or two ago...

[Sunnie]

Dutch has only made like 230ish posts, but 95% of them are hate DA:I posts, and he's been warned a few times by mods.  lol

It's not real hard to see him get dog-piled when he makes so many hate DA:I posts.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

He's entitled to his opinions. Just because he's not a kiss-ass, doesn't mean he deserves to be heckled from atop your high horses. It makes you all look like immature children, no better than the people you seem to think are terrible enough to be mocked. He's not incapable of having productive discussions, but because you people brush him off constantly, you can't even see that. Certainly, he could stand to be more constructive himself from time to time, but then so can all of you. I'll take his criticism over the hivemind I see on this forum, at any rate.

 

Also, one can get warning points over the most insignificant things, such as working around the silly censorship.

[thats1evildude]

Oh, give me a break.

People who like the things I like=Fans

People who dislike the things I like=Haters

People who dislike the things I dislike=Constructive critics willing to break from the "hivemind"

People who like the things I dislike=Fanbois and "immature children"

The day he - or you, for that matter- makes a legitimate point, I'll hand in my Bioware Defence Force badge. It'll be a darn shame; I really liked piloting the left foot of the giant robot.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I never said any of that. I never even implied that. I don't think people who like the game are a part of some hivemind. That's not what I was referring to. I was referring to your "group's" behavior of relentlessly and childishly jeering at varieties of dissenters being very hivemind-like. Especially when most of you seem to show up at the same time. It has nothing to do with what you like or dislike. I don't even hate DAI. I believe it's sub-par without mods, and mediocre with mods. It's garbage compared to its predecessors, but it's not the worst game I've played. Cut the crap, and quit making assumptions.

[Sunnie]

So a crusader then? Defender of the downtrodden Inquisition hate club?

 

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

What part of, "I don't care whether people like this game or not," and, "he's entitled to his opinions'" and even, "I don't hate DAI," doesn't seem to be getting through to anyone? He paid money for this game; he has every right to state his dissatisfaction, as do I and anyone else. I'm referring to the general behavior and attitude on the forums, and not people who have every right to enjoy their games. Unlike some people, he at least isn't trying to pressure others into sharing his opinion. He states his opinion, and you take it or leave it. If you don't like his opinions, you can simply be mature adults and ignore them. He isn't breaking site rules by being unhappy with the game.

I have said my piece, and I don't want to contribute to this argument and derail the thread even more. Just wanted to state my own observations since being a member here. Apologies to mods, and Dutch, for derailing the thread.

[Heathen Oxman]

Write things on a public forum = receive criticism of your opinions.

 

If you don't want people commentating on your opinions, keep them in a private journal. 

 

[AresKeith]

He's entitled to his opinions. Just because he's not a kiss-ass, doesn't mean he deserves to be heckled from atop your high horses. It makes you all look like immature children, no better than the people you seem to think are terrible enough to be mocked. He's not incapable of having productive discussions, but because you people brush him off constantly, you can't even see that. Certainly, he could stand to be more constructive himself from time to time, but then so can all of you. I'll take his criticism over the hivemind I see on this forum, at any rate.

 

Also, one can get warning points over the most insignificant things, such as working around the silly censorship.

 

So it's a hivemind because people don't rip on the game 95% of their posts?

[Face of Evil]

And the Bioware Cool Kids Clique™ once again dog-piles Dutch. Will wonders never cease.

Cool kids clique? On an Internet forum for a roleplaying game? I'm not sure you know what any of those words mean.

[Dabrikishaw]

Dutch's Ghost thread.

[Dutch's Ghost]

So instead of contributing to the topic a lot of these lip puckers are hijacking my name. Great.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

So instead of contributing to the topic a lot of these lip puckers are hijacking my name. Great.

 

I probably shouldn't have said anything. I'm sorry, Dutch. I was just hoping they'd stop being pricks to people whose opinions differ from theirs (e.g. bring awareness to what they're actually doing).

 

Also, learn to read, Keith. I already explained what I meant. I'm simply sick of the smarmy, holier-than-thou, high-horse attitudes I've been consistently seeing from several people since I joined here. And, since I brought it up this behavior, I'm insulted and my points are laughed at, rather than being addressed by mature adults, which is another trend I've noticed. Lots of childish hypocrisy going on here.

 

@Oxman, everything on the internet is open for criticism, I agree, but it doesn't excuse blatant rudeness. I already established that brushing a person off and laughing at them instead of explaining why you disagree is rude and immature. This prevents both sides from understanding each other. But no, I'm clearly in the wrong because I have the audacity to "defend" Dutch, whom you've all deemed as the forum's laughing stock.

[KBomb]

I'm not too familiar with his posting history, but this seems like a legitimate complaint. I have seen people make similar criticisms about the Approval system in prior Bioware games, too.

I may not agree with him that personal quests should be unlocked without proven loyalty and friendship, but I don't see where he said anything bad. Like I said, it seems like a genuine concern for someone who doesn't like the system.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I probably shouldn't have said anything. I'm sorry, Dutch. I was just hoping they'd stop being pricks to people whose opinions differ from theirs (e.g. bring awareness to what they're actually doing).

Also, learn to read, Keith. I already explained what I meant. I'm simply sick of the smarmy, holier-than-thou, high-horse attitudes I've been consistently seeing from several people since I joined here. And, since I brought it up this behavior, I'm insulted and my points are laughed at, rather than being addressed by mature adults, which is another trend I've noticed. Lots of childish hypocrisy going on here.

@Oxman, everything on the internet is open for criticism, I agree, but it doesn't excuse blatant rudeness. I already established that brushing a person off and laughing at them instead of explaining why you disagree is rude and immature. This prevents both sides from understanding each other. But no, I'm clearly in the wrong because I have the audacity to "defend" Dutch, whom you've all deemed as the forum's laughing stock.

You don't have to apologize. I was not referring to you.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I'm not too familiar with his posting history, but this seems like a legitimate complaint. I have seen people make similar criticisms about the Approval system in prior Bioware games, too.

I may not agree with him that personal quests should be unlocked without proven loyalty and friendship, but I don't see where he said anything bad. Like I said, it seems like a genuine concern for someone who doesn't like the system.

 

The short of it is, he does not like the game he paid for, and posts threads about various aspects of the game he doesn't like. Apparently this is worth making a mockery of him and judging him for who he is, never trying to have an actual discussion with him, to some. He's not a troll, yet everyone's treating him like one. I say, give him a chance and actually talk to him. He's not unreasonable just because he's critical of the game which left him dissatisfied. Everyone has the right to be upset when something they pay for, expecting to be great, turns out very poorly and dissatisfying in their eyes.

 

Back on topic, while I don't like the current system, it does indeed make no sense for the more personal quests to be available if a companion doesn't even trust you to some degree. However, I've found that without kissing ass and being a Yes-Man, it's pretty difficult to get certain characters (like Viv, though I no longer recruit her, among two others) to like you enough to open up to you.

 

I'm not certain of a better way to fix it beyond the lazy "give them gifts until they like you a lot" route which is not immersive in the slightest, lol. Maybe make their personal fetch quests yield more approval, like Blackwall's does? Viv's only grants slight approval until you've collected all three tomes. Speaking of which, she makes it sound like a whole library was plundered, but really? Just three tomes? Not worth sending someone to fetch, in my opinion.

 

Anyway, yes. Hopefully Bioware can make a more balanced system in the next installment, rather than permanently locking some people out merely because they don't want their character to be a kissass. Could make some access to the personal quests borne of desperation like, "I hate you, but I've nowhere else to turn, and I'm desperate." That sort of thing. It'll show more complex sides of relationships rather than the boring, "I like you; please help" that was everywhere in DAI.

 

Edit: @Dutch, It's just that I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have carried on like this if I hadn't made my first comment. And now everyone is either taking what I'm writing the wrong way or reading only what is convenient for them, making assumptions, putting words in my mouth, etc. Either way, I think they could use reading comprehension classes. I was just hoping they'd actually look at what they're doing, realizing it doesn't help a damn thing, and stop antagonizing you and certain others at every turn.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I'm not too familiar with his posting history, but this seems like a legitimate complaint. I have seen people make similar criticisms about the Approval system in prior Bioware games, too.

I may not agree with him that personal quests should be unlocked without proven loyalty and friendship, but I don't see where he said anything bad. Like I said, it seems like a genuine concern for someone who doesn't like the system.

I just think that they should at least lower the threshold for getting that particular quest. It's not hard for me to get the other "loyalty" quests for other companions despite the choices in the main quest, yet Blackwall's is always tricky and knowing that he's keeping up the charade makes the whole thing a bit awkward. For me at least.

[Dutch's Ghost]

The short of it is, he does not like the game he paid for, and posts threads about various aspects of the game he doesn't like. Apparently this is worth making a mockery of him and judging him for who he is, never trying to have an actual discussion with him, to some. He's not a troll, yet everyone's treating him like one. I say, give him a chance and actually talk to him. He's not unreasonable just because he's critical of the game which left him dissatisfied.

Back on topic, while I don't like the current system, it does indeed make no sense for the more personal quests to be available if a companion doesn't even trust you to some degree. However, I've found that without kissing ass and being a Yes-Man, it's pretty difficult to get certain characters (like Viv, though I no longer recruit her, among two others) to like you enough to open up to you.

I'm not certain of a better way to fix it beyond the lazy "give them gifts until they like you a lot" route which is not immersive in the slightest, lol. Maybe make their personal fetch quests yield more approval, like Blackwall's does? Viv's only grants slight approval until you've collected all three tomes. Speaking of which, she makes it sound like a whole library was plundered, but really? Just three tomes? Not worth sending someone to fetch, in my opinion.

Anyway, yes. Hopefully Bioware can make a more balanced system in the next installment, rather than permanently locking some people out merely because they don't want their character to be a kissass. Could make some access to the personal quests borne of desperation like, "I hate you, but I've nowhere else to turn, and I'm desperate." That sort of thing. It'll show more complex sides of relationships rather than the boring, "I like you; please help" that was everywhere in DAI.

Edit: @Dutch, I'm just pretty sure they wouldn't have carried on like this if I hadn't made my first comment. And now everyone is either taking what I'm writing the wrong way or reading only what is convenient for them, making assumptions, putting words in my mouth, etc. Either way, I think they could use reading comprehension classes.

You make an interesting point on not kissing your companions ass. The playthrough I completed had me always picking the third bottom option of the dialogue wheel which is more or less the stern choice. I think that's why I'm having the problem with Blackwall, that and banishing the wardens and putting gaspard in power.

Overall, they need to re-evaluate their approval system because it's broken. I don't want to be nice and kissy-kissy to my companions to gain their respect. I'm the leader of the inquisition and have done some extraordinary **** - they could stand to open up and show me some respect because well, I'm killing dragons and making the "tough" choices.

Edit: ya, agree with you on the other people here who brush me off as some troll. I ignore them, for the most part.

[KBomb]

I just think that they should at least lower the threshold for getting that particular quest. It's not hard for me to get the other "loyalty" quests for other companions despite the choices in the main quest, yet Blackwall's is always tricky and knowing that he's keeping up the charade makes the whole thing a bit awkward. For me at least.

I know I am in the minority, but I really liked the Feast Day gifts in DAO. In some playthroughs I didn't even use them, but I like that they were optional and allowed you to see different conversations and such with companions. I also like that there were gifts that brought down the "like" too.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I know I am in the minority, but I really liked the Feast Day gifts in DAO. In some playthroughs I didn't even use them, but I like that they were optional and allowed you to see different conversations and such with companions. I also like that there were gifts that brought down the "like" too.

I too, had no problems with feast day gifts as well. They should implent something similar.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I just think that they should at least lower the threshold for getting that particular quest. It's not hard for me to get the other "loyalty" quests for other companions despite the choices in the main quest, yet Blackwall's is always tricky and knowing that he's keeping up the charade makes the whole thing a bit awkward. For me at least.

 

The game's strange parallel universe thing going on made a lot of things awkward. Why does Lord Otranto only become betrothed to Josephine in the universe in which you romance her? Why doesn't he always become her betrothed? Why does Blackwall not leave to try to save his soldier who's about to be hanged just because he doesn't trust you enough? Shouldn't he run off regardless of whether he deigns to leave a note or not? Our spies could simply find him in Val Royeaux afterwards, whether or not he wants to be found. It's all just extremely weird to me. Things beyond our control should happen regardless of our relationships.

 

You make an interesting point on not kissing your companions ass. The playthrough I completed had me always picking the third bottom option of the dialogue wheel which is more or less the stern choice. I think that's why I'm having the problem with Blackwall, that and banishing the wardens and putting gaspard in power.

Overall, they need to re-evaluate their approval system because it's broken. I don't want to be nice and kissy-kissy to my companions to gain their respect. I'm the leader of the inquisition and have done some extraordinary **** - they could stand to open up and show me some respect because well, I'm killing dragons and making the "tough" choices.

Edit: ya, agree with you on the other people here who brush me off as some troll. I ignore them, for the most part.

 

The Inquisitor in these cases should have access to the personal quests, even if it's just before the end per the characters who dislike you, by virtue of being the one in charge. They have to respect that. As I mentioned above, Blackwall should always run off, while the note can be left only to players he trusts, and our scouts can locate him regardless of our relationship.

 

I don't know what kind of power our next protagonist will have, though, so the concept of respect/power substituting trust may not fly there. But the desperation can still work if written well enough. It's not like they didn't do it in DA2.

 

Edit: I guess I'll have to do the same. Maybe if they see they're no longer getting the reaction they want, they'll stop prodding. :/

[FKA_Servo]

Stuff like this is 100% preferable to feeding our derping companions presents until they like us regardless of the actions we undertake.

[Wolven_Soul]

You can earn that approval back pretty easily by just locating a few Grey Warden relics.

 

Or by killing Darkspawn with him in your party.