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[Dean_the_Young]

If Cerberus is tied into Andromedea, I suspect we'll find that it was because the Ark project was a Cerberus-backed continengency plan of sorts if the Crucible/whatever-the-****-TIM-planned didn't work out. In my opinion, the ARKCON patch already looks hexegonal enough to be a modified Cerberus emblem, and it's the sort of gambit Cerberus would be well placed to support.

 

If Cerberus is in the games, I suspect it will be more in the form of a conspiracy than extremist group. The quote about Cerberus being an idea comes to mind: as long as the setting frames itself in xenonationalist terms, there's going to be human xenonationalists who think in terms of 'Human survival' and 'human interests.' That's pretty much what Cerberus is.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't know. Jacky Boy seemed pretty all-in on the "control the reapers" plan. Given his level of indoctrination I don't see him actually working on something that would help us.

[God]

I expect Cerberus is probably done and gone. I'd like to think they represent a line of thinking (humanity first and above the other species) that dies out after the events of ME3. 

 

Probably not, considering my Shepard himself basically confirmed it with the ending.

 

Humanity > everyone else.

[Helios969]

I could see Cerberus the ideology making it to Andromeda.  A few "true believers" make it on board and then expand their numbers by exploiting the malcontents among humankind.  Or it could morph into something entirely different as an underground group of disenfranchised radicals that included aliens.  Power to the "people" and all that jazz.  Adds a dimension to the overall story of keeping the Milky Way survivors from destroying themselves from within in addition to all the threats they'll be facing in a new galaxy.

[Natureguy85]

Maybe Cerberus won't but the Human Reaper will. It can survive the end of ME2, so why not?

[Ahglock]

True Resurrection. Cleric 9th spell level.

You don't lose any levels from s true resurrection. This is at best a weak raise dead.

[Ahglock]

There were good and bad things about them in the game.
ME1 nice side quest.

ME2 I'm fine with except how you joined them and the enforced they are totally wrong narrative. Have you join them as your next specter assignment to take down TIM. During your infiltration of the org allow the player to start siding with them to various degrees. Still overall I thought it was a fairly interesting take.

ME3 I thought was a total fail on that front. They shouldn't have been villains the indoctrination thing felt way too forced.

[N7Jamaican]

I feel like the developers and writers of ME needed another enemy aside from the Reapers in ME3.. Thus, Cerberus.  I think they could have done much more with them.

[In Exile]

If Cerberus is tied into Andromedea, I suspect we'll find that it was because the Ark project was a Cerberus-backed continengency plan of sorts if the Crucible/whatever-the-****-TIM-planned didn't work out. In my opinion, the ARKCON patch already looks hexegonal enough to be a modified Cerberus emblem, and it's the sort of gambit Cerberus would be well placed to support.

 

If Cerberus is in the games, I suspect it will be more in the form of a conspiracy than extremist group. The quote about Cerberus being an idea comes to mind: as long as the setting frames itself in xenonationalist terms, there's going to be human xenonationalists who think in terms of 'Human survival' and 'human interests.' That's pretty much what Cerberus is.

 

They already basically did it with Binary Helix in ME1 (the corporate logo bit). And with the general tenor of ME and its views on government, rich industrialists taking action is pretty consistent with what the setting has now become.

[MisterJB]

 

I love Cerberus but I'd rather headcanon them being lead by Shepard and Miranda in the Milky Way.

No need for further damage to their imagine by having them in Andromeda.

[N7Jamaican]

TIM was a good leader for Cerberus.  Let's not act like he was terrible.

[Remix-General Aetius]

they damn better not. I'm sick to death of the lot

[Jay P]

FTFY.

Did we ever get vetification on this?

Mass Effect: Andromeda does it doesn't refer to the Andromeda Galaxy?

[Red Panda]

Because it's awesome. What else do we have to talk about?

ONI = Cerberus

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Did we ever get vetification on this?

Mass Effect: Andromeda does it doesn't refer to the Andromeda Galaxy?

No, as the name suggests Mass Effect: Andromeda unfortunately takes place in the Andromeda galaxy. 

 

 

ONI = Cerberus

That's unfair to ONI. They have a much better success record compared to Cerberus. 

[Jay P]

No, as the name suggests Mass Effect: Andromeda unfortunately takes place in the Andromeda galaxy.

I know. I'm trolling the other guy a little.

He tried to correct me earlier by saying Andromeda is in the Milky Way Galaxy.

[God]

ONI = Cerberus

 

Hence why I love ONI. Granted, Halo is quite a bit more on the HFY quotient. For good reason, of course. As well, what they do is a lot more acceptable given the circumstances humanity faces in the Halo verse: The Covenant are more advanced than the Reapers, and humanity is (in several ways) less advanced than humans and galactic society in general in Mass Effect, yet are still putting up a greater fight than anybody did against the Reapers in Mass Effect.

 

Granted, ONI does do some idiotic moves, but they're absolute masters of getting people to disappear and/or discredit themselves. Look at Benjamin Giraud and Dr. Halsey. 

[God]

 

That's unfair to ONI. They have a much better success record compared to Cerberus. 

 

 

I disagree entirely. I think they're both very formidable and successful. 

 

But look at the differences between either group. 

 

We only get a handful of looks into Cerberus leadership, and they're heavily compartmentalized (and successes are, by nature, inherently secret). ONI meanwhile is basically the true power behind the UNSC for the most part, and we get several very high level personnel POV's, up to and including the CINCONI herself to look into ONI's viewpoint. As well, ONI inherently operates for the UNSC, whereas Cerberus more or less exists outside/parallel to the alliance. Sans the TIM comic and a few chapters in ME: Retribution, there are no real insights into Cerberus' leadership. 

 

And the reason for it: the writers didn't want to really get behind Cerberus enough to characterize them and their actions, and give broader context to them. The reason they did that was because (purely speculative here) the writers didn't want people to get too familiar or comfortable with them or their actions. You aren't supposed to identify or sympathize with them, whereas ONI routinely gets justification and validation of their actions, even though in many ways ONI is outright even more unethical and immoral than even Cerberus.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I disagree entirely. I think they're both very formidable and successful. 

I'll grant you that both are formidable, but I disagree about both being very successful. Cerberus has only ever been successful at one thing: bringing Shepard back. Every other operation has resulted in failure, mostly due directly to themselves, like underestimating what they were working on or being felled by their success story turning on them.

[God]

I'll grant you that both are formidable, but I disagree about both being very successful. Cerberus has only ever been successful at one thing: bringing Shepard back. Every other operation has resulted in failure, mostly due directly to themselves, like underestimating what they were working on or being felled by their success story having turned on them.

 

Again, I disagree entirely and categorically. How can you judge an organization that has existed for nearly 30 years and base their success on the last 3 (from 2186)? As well, even what you think was a failure is probably something I disagree with on how it was exactly a failure.

 

Yep guys, it's me again getting into the Cerberus debates I so love! I'm a rather huge defender of them.

 

Let's see... I'll let you start by defining what was and wasn't a success, and I'll rebut your assertion and provide an explanation.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Again, I disagree entirely and categorically. How can you judge an organization that has existed for nearly 30 years and base their success on the last 3 (from 2186)? As well, even what you think was a failure is probably something I disagree with on how it was exactly a failure.

 

Yep guys, it's me again getting into the Cerberus debates I so love! I'm a rather huge defender of them.

 

Let's see... I'll let you start by defining what was and wasn't a success, and I'll rebut your assertion and provide an explanation.

Simple. Their reason for existence was to protect and benefit humanity, a job they not only failed at but had an active hand in that failure by attacking and harming humanity of multiple occasions, and this is not even counting the times in which they all were Reaper puppets.

[God]

Simple. Their reason for existence was to protect and benefit humanity, a job they not only failed at but had an active hand in that failure by attacking and harming humanity of multiple occasions, and this is even before they all became Reaper puppets.

 

I completely disagree with both the failure to protect and benefit humanity, and that their actions prior to indoctrination were negative. In fact, I think they worked in humanities favor. 

 

Sanctuary was damn genius. Finding the cause and countering Reaper control of husks, as well as culling excess population in a time of galactic war (on the level of species survival) was useful and valuable.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I completely disagree with both the failure to protect and benefit humanity, and that their actions prior to indoctrination were negative. In fact, I think they worked in humanities favor.

 

Sanctuary was damn genius.

The only time they ever protected and benefitted humanity was bringing Shepard back to the world of the living. 

Please, I would love to hear how Cerberus' actions were positive and worked in humanities favor. 

[God]

The only time they ever protected and benefitted humanity was bringing Shepard back to the world of the living. 

Please, I would love to hear how Cerberus' actions were positive and worked in humanities favor. 

 

The floor is yours to list the actions that were negative. 

 

You can list an action: I'll explain its benefit and how it outweighed the cost, or provide a rationalization for the failure.

 

Keep in mind that 3 years is also hardly indicative of what Cerberus did in the preceding 30.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The floor is yours to list the actions that were negative. 

 

You can list an action: I'll explain its benefit and how it outweighed the cost, or provide a rationalization for the failure.

 

Keep in mind that 3 years is also hardly indicative of what Cerberus did in the preceding 30.

Murdered entire human colonies. 

Alright, now say the positive. And it has to be a positive that is stated in the lore, not headcanoned. 

 

There is no indication that the years we see are any different than the years we don't.