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[The Hierophant]

Nah. Let Cerberus rest in piece/s. Plus this will create a lot of questions surrounding T.I.M's level of knowledge about the project, and if T.I.M knew about it all along then god help this forum.

[themikefest]

TIM's clone will make the trip to Andromeda

[Dantriges]

TIMs clone died in his stead in the Citadel and he took the trip to Andromeda.

[Killroy]

Am I to understand that you read all the novels before playing the games?

Nope. I only read the first three, and not before playing their corresponding games.

[themikefest]

TIMs clone died in his stead in the Citadel and he took the trip to Andromeda.

I've posted  a few times that it was TIM's clone Shepard encountered on the Citadel.  I like TIM. My Shepard always wanted to sit down and have a drink and cigarette with the guy

[Sylvius the Mad]

...you thought Cerberus made sense in ME3?

Their initial statements at the start of the game sounded quite reasonable (as they also did in ME2). I didn't understand why Shepard was forcwd to disagree with them.

[Cribbian]

Cerberus in Andromeda?
 

[Natureguy85]

Their initial statements at the start of the game sounded quite reasonable (as they also did in ME2). I didn't understand why Shepard was forcwd to disagree with them.

Because of Mass Effect Cerberus and actions speak louder than words. In ME3, TIM was clearly Indoctrinated from the start. If they had made it less obvious, this might have worked. For example they could have you take the Cerberus Trooper's mask off on the Cerberus base and reveal it there.

[Killroy]

Their initial statements at the start of the game sounded quite reasonable (as they also did in ME2). I didn't understand why Shepard was forcwd to disagree with them.

You mean TIM's statements after Cerberus killed dozens of people for no reason, after stealing information that could save humanity from the Reapers?

[DaemionMoadrin]

You mean TIM's statements after Cerberus killed dozens of people for no reason, after stealing information that could save humanity from the Reapers?

 

Even worse: It was data, he could have gotten a copy easily, there was no reason to destroy it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Because of Mass Effect Cerberus and actions speak louder than words. In ME3, TIM was clearly Indoctrinated from the start. If they had made it less obvious, this might have worked. For example they could have you take the Cerberus Trooper's mask off on the Cerberus base and reveal it there.

I don't think that's made clear at all. Using Reaper tech to control the Reapers is audacious, sure, but some of the best ideas are.

You mean TIM's statements after Cerberus killed dozens of people for no reason, after stealing information that could save humanity from the Reapers?

TIM kills people who get in his way because he's ruthless. That doesn't make him incorrect.

[Former_Fiend]

You have the chance to agree with TIM in ME3. It's called the control ending.

 

Prior to that  you don't agree with him because he's obviously out of his goddamned mind; whether his goal is reasonable or not, his methods are those of a mad man.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You have the chance to agree with TIM in ME3. It's called the control ending.

 

Prior to that  you don't agree with him because he's obviously out of his goddamned mind; whether his goal is reasonable or not, his methods are those of a mad man.

 

To be fair, the Control ending came out of nowhere... the way TIM tried to do it wouldn't have worked and what the Catalyst offered to Shepard was something different. I still don't see why Shep had to get disintegrated for it though.

[Former_Fiend]

To be fair, the Control ending came out of nowhere... the way TIM tried to do it wouldn't have worked and what the Catalyst offered to Shepard was something different. I still don't see why Shep had to get disintegrated for it though.

 

Because reasons.

 

I'm a Destroy Ending guy, myself. 

[Sartoz]

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Cerberus was controlled by the Illusive Man. He wouldn't allow anything to go on without his control. Besides, even if he had an agent or two in the ARKON project,  Cerberus dies with him.

 

Plus, I'm positive, based on what Bio said that MEA is a brand new story, with brand new characters.

[Dubozz]

If Mac Walters made it to ME:A, Cerberus can do it too.

[Natureguy85]

I don't think that's made clear at all. Using Reaper tech to control the Reapers is audacious, sure, but some of the best ideas are.

 

It is. They show the soldier implanted with Reaper tech, telling you that TIM has been playing with it. We know from ME2 and Arrival that this leads to Indoctrination. TIM's dialogue on Mars is Dr. Kenson all over again. As soon and Kenson started talking about questioning the Project and talking about how the Reapers don't really wipe out everything, we knew she was Indoctrinated. It's the same here. Yes, wanting Control is definitely not out of character for TIM, but that's why it works to the Reapers' ends.  TIM is actively opposing Shepard's efforts to stop the Reapers where he was helping in the last game.

 

To be fair, the Control ending came out of nowhere... the way TIM tried to do it wouldn't have worked and what the Catalyst offered to Shepard was something different. I still don't see why Shep had to get disintegrated for it though.

 

I didn't feel like it came out of nowhere, they just never set it up as something Shepard would ever choose. You just got done telling TIM that it was either impossible or that he was playing with things he shouldn't understand and power he shouldn't have, and that humanity wasn't ready.

[S.W.]

I bloody well hope not.

 

I still don't understand exactly what Cerberus does or what it stands for. What are their politics like? What do they stand for? "The advancement of humanity" is a definition so vague that it is pretty much useless. What is their vision of "advancement"? Is it close to Javik's colonial attitude to the rest of the galaxy, or something more co-operative and assimilative? I have no clue, really. We mostly just watch them undertake a selection of ambitious scientific projects which mostly fail drastically (Lazarus project excepted), and sometimes defend renegade choices.

 

Like they're cookie cutter bad guys. They're kinda racist*  - PLUS they're indoctrinated, which kind of limits their capability for independent thought, and doing anything but be mindless mooks.

 

Had Cerberus been used more sparingly (rather than being the main antagonist in about 50% of fights), had we not suspected their involvement until, say, the Citadel, they could have least had the element of surprise to cover up how shallow and boring they are. What do Cerberus stand for, asides from trying to encourage you to think studying and controlling the reapers is a good idea despite the massive risk of indoctrination? Like, wow, how inspiring. TIM was a good character but his organisation was a joke, sorry.

 

Also, given that TIM was very personally involved in most Cerberus projects, I doubt it'll survive. We'll at best see a few rogue agents/stragglers. Hopefully safely demoted to side-quest level.

 

* although we're rarely actually shown this racism, or shown the repercussions of this, or shown how violent they've been to other species and how that's changed and warped those species way of being, like it's not like they've enslaved different species, or burned down towns/settlements of competing colonisers, or kidnapped pre-flight sapient species to perform experiments on, or ever considered a sterility plague to be an ethical idea.

[Kabooooom]

Halo 4 is little loved at all by Halo fans, its widely considered ties as worst entry with Reach

that said there are those who like it, but I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to consider them a minority, and I think even Reach still has more players in it than 4 does

Not really. The game was disliked by hardcore Halo fans because of the multiplayer gameplay, not really because of the story. The story was largely lauded by Halo fans. Those that objected to it were primarily people that werent hardcore Halo fans and didnt know the Forerunner backstory...for better or for worse. One could argue that such a backstory should have been better presented in the game and I would agree. But as Halo fans know the lore, they mostly didn't have a problem with the story at all. Chris, (and 343 by extension) have put far, far more attention of detail to the Halo storyline that Bungie ever did or ever pretended to do.

Halo is much better off in 343's hands and their writers.

[Gold Dragon]

TIM's Clone did, in fact, make it to Andromeda.

 

It is actually the player character because of glitches (one being that it allows TIM to be a woman).

[Drone223]

If Mac Walters made it to ME:A, Cerberus can do it too.

He's the creative director for the game.

[Zehealingman]

Depends on which Cerberus.

The one with the giant army/fleet? Hell no!

But some undercover/sleeper agents? Why not?

[Red Panda]

He wrote Halo 4 before coming to Mass Effect.

 

Halo 4 is well loved by a lot of people, but some of his writing was a bit derivative in terms of sci-fi tropes.

Halo 4's main villain was deeper than the characterization of any Mass effect character.

Well, I'm lying about that. ^

 

 

 

 

 

ON-TOPIC:

 

"I'd expect you to say that; you never truly believed in us. Cerberus isn't just an organization or the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not so easily destroyed."

 

-The Tragic Hero of ME3

[GreyLycanTrope]

The lols I will have if they do show up.

 

Even more so if they're Cerberus and indoctrinated.

[Red Panda]

The lols I will have if they do show up.

 

Even more so if they're Cerberus and indoctrinated.

 

 

That's rather discriminating.

 

I prefer improved.