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[EmissaryofLies]

I hope so, If only to make the forums more entertaining.

[Vortex13]

You can read the books. They give you plenty of perspective from the Elites, Grunts, and other perspectives.

 

Still, I guess I'm one of those few who doesn't think that 'humans are special' is a problem, though I don't believe anything intrinsic about it. 

 

I don't think we have more of a right to live than anyone else. That said, I don't think that anyone has more of a right than us, and, well, better us than them. 

 

If there's one lesson, just one lesson that anyone should ever learn about bullying, it's that it's better to be the bully than it is to be the bullied.

 

I've read the Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx, and while they do occasionally offer up glimpses of the aliens' perspectives it's used as a setup for the Spartans to come across as even more heroic. Which I get, they're the champions of the story and all, but it would be nice to have a novel devoted to one of the Covenant that didn't serve as a roundabout way to prop up humanity's great awesomeness some more. 

 

I agree that no one species is more deserving of existance than another, but according to Halo lore that is not the case. The Forerunners would rather commit self-genocide and protect humanity because only we are deserving of 'The Mantel' than trying to preserver their own species.

[N7Jamaican]

If they are in ME:A, I hope they weren't given a complete overhaul.  Meaning, everything that made Cerberus great, is gone. 

[God]

I've read the Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx, and while they do occasionally offer up glimpses of the aliens' perspectives it's used as a setup for the Spartans to come across as even more heroic. Which I get, they're the champions of the story and all, but it would be nice to have a novel devoted to one of the Covenant that didn't serve as a roundabout way to prop up humanity's great awesomeness some more. 

 

I agree that no one species is more deserving of existance than another, but according to Halo lore that is not the case. The Forerunners would rather commit self-genocide and protect humanity because only we are deserving of 'The Mantel' than trying to preserver their own species.

 

Read up on your lore, it's out of date. Check out the Forerunner Trilogy.

 

Also, read Broken Circle.

[N7Jamaican]

Halo? I've stopped caring after ODST was a complete waste.  I am interested in Halo 5, because all my friends have an XB1 and they will be doing multiplayer.

[themikefest]

It would be nice to hear the enemy in Andromeda  yelling TAKING CASUALTIES.

[N7Jamaican]

It would be nice to hear the enemy in Andromeda  yelling TAKING CASUALTIES.

 

Or "I WILL DESTROY YOU" 

 

"GO GO GO GO!"

 

"ENEMIES ARE EVERYWHERE"

[Vortex13]

 

Read up on your lore, it's out of date. Check out the Forerunner Trilogy.

 

Also, read Broken Circle.

 

 

I'll have to check out Broken Circle. Its too bad that none of those perspectives get to come across in the games though.

 

I know, I know FPS and all that, but still Halo 2 was able to have to separate takes on the conflict.

[God]

Halo? I've stopped caring after ODST was a complete waste.  I am interested in Halo 5, because all my friends have an XB1 and they will be doing multiplayer.

 

ODST a waste? 

 

It's one of the better, more interesting games. Not that any of them are bad, or even average. Each game brings something different and special, but ODST had a small side story that was interesting to see. The scale, the war, from someone not at the top or as a Spartan.

[N7Jamaican]

ODST a waste? 

 

It's one of the better, more interesting games. Not that any of them are bad, or even average. Each game brings something different and special, but ODST had a small side story that was interesting to see. The scale, the war, from someone not at the top or as a Spartan.

 

Just my opinion.  In fact, when I was playing co-op with my friend, we've noticed we can run by the enemies and not even fire a single shot.  

[Vortex13]

ODST a waste? 

 

It's one of the better, more interesting games. Not that any of them are bad, or even average. Each game brings something different and special, but ODST had a small side story that was interesting to see. The scale, the war, from someone not at the top or as a Spartan.

 

I agree on ODST. It was nice to take a break from all the Spartan this and Spartan that of the series and see the war from the eyes of a regular joe. 

 

The game I felt was a waste was Halo: Reach. The novel is way better in its depiction; the book really lends this "Last Stand at the Alamo" feel to the whole conflict. The game had the UNSC coming across as complete morons; they are completely unaware of a Covenant presence for what two weeks? And then the bastion of humanity's military might is crushed by what looks like one ship? 

 

It might seem at odds with my general stance on humanity in the Halo setting, but I prefer that the universe not seemingly grant the village idiot 'God Mode' so that we could get that 'Humans are special' message across.

[God]

The game I felt was a waste was Halo: Reach. The novel is way better in its depiction; the book really lends this "Last Stand at the Alamo" feel to the whole conflict. The game had the UNSC coming across as complete morons; they are completely unaware of a Covenant presence for what two weeks? And then the bastion of humanity's military might is crushed by what looks like one ship? 

 

It might seem at odds with my general stance on humanity in the Halo setting, but I prefer that the universe not seemingly grant the village idiot 'God Mode' so that we could get that 'Humans are special' message across.

 

There was a reason for this; The Army and ONI were actively keeping most of the Reach invasion under wraps so as not to interfere with the Navy's Operation: RED FLAG, and to entice the Covenant into a trap. It's elaborated upon in several places, but especially here. The Covenant themselves were being very small with their deployments, keeping most of their forces concentrated from singular areas. Consider it a vanguard force.

 

Plus, that one ship was a CSO Supercarrier. Look up the size of it. As well, the Army was keeping a lot of the fleet in the dark about the invasion of Reach, but the fleet was keeping the Army in the dark about RED FLAG. The Navy was intentionally trying to get the Supercarrier in position so that the RED FLAG elements could board and hijack the ship, and take it to High Charity. Then the Army blew it up.

 

The majority of the Covenant incursion was focused on a few areas of Reach. It wasn't until August 30th that the true force arrived.

[Vortex13]

 

There was a reason for this; The Army and ONI were actively keeping most of the Reach invasion under wraps so as not to interfere with the Navy's Operation: RED FLAG, and to entice the Covenant into a trap. It's elaborated upon in several places, but especially here. The Covenant themselves were being very small with their deployments, keeping most of their forces concentrated from singular areas. Consider it a vanguard force.

 

Plus, that one ship was a CSO Supercarrier. Look up the size of it. As well, the Army was keeping a lot of the fleet in the dark about the invasion of Reach, but the fleet was keeping the Army in the dark about RED FLAG. The Navy was intentionally trying to get the Supercarrier in position so that the RED FLAG elements could board and hijack the ship, and take it to High Charity. Then the Army blew it up.

 

The majority of the Covenant incursion was focused on a few areas of Reach. It wasn't until August 30th that the true force arrived.

 

 

So essentially, the human military was "Three Stooging" it during the invasion at Reach, and since the Navy and the Army were playing cloak and dagger politics with each other they wind up giving the Covenant the most powerful military stronghold in all of human space?  

 

And yet, only humanity is 'Worthy of the Mantle' 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And yet, only humanity is 'Worthy of the Mantle' 

To be fair, only the Librarian thinks that humanity is worthy of the Mantle. Ur-Didact and especially Master Builder did not think that. 

[God]

To be fair, only the Librarian thinks that humanity is worthy of the Mantle. Ur-Didact and especially Master Builder did not think that. 

 

The IsoDidact and the Precursors however did believe that humanity was worthy of the Mantle.

 

Given that the Ur-Didact was driven insane by the Gravemind and the Master Builder was... well... the Master Builder (namely, being the guy who put the Ur-Didact in the position to be driven insane by the Gravemind in the first place), that doesn't lend credence here that their opinion.

[God]

So essentially, the human military was "Three Stooging" it during the invasion at Reach, and since the Navy and the Army were playing cloak and dagger politics with each other they wind up giving the Covenant the most powerful military stronghold in all of human space?  

 

And yet, only humanity is 'Worthy of the Mantle' 

 

Not really. It wasn't cloak and dagger politics at all. 

 

The Navy had a plan to force an end to the war by using Special Warfare assets (namely as many S-II's as they could get and a battalion of ODST's to back them up) to abduct one or more of the hierarchs and use them to sue for peace with the Covenant. The plan was considered top secret, and it was considered a last resort option that required the sacrifice of a significant human colony and an entire fleet (to be used as a distraction for a Covenant flagship). It couldn't be just any standard human colony, it had to be one of the bigger, important ones, as those were the only planets where a Covenant vessel of significant value would appear. 

 

As noted, Admiral Stanforth and Admiral Parongosky both suspected that this planetary sacrifice would have to be Reach, considering the possibility that it was already compromised. 

 

All branches of the military were informed (at the highest levels), and by the time RED FLAG was approved, Reach had already been discovered. The Army kept the Covenant forces restrained to the Viery territory on Reach, and keeping the rest of the planet in the dark so as not to put the Navy on alert, as a setting of low readiness was required to draw in a Covenant force. The reason for this was so that the Navy didn't blow their chance by attacking the Covenant head on as their asset came into play (and either getting annihilated or forcing the ship to retreat). Of course, the Army was not aware of this; it wasn't politicking so much as it was the Army being kept in the dark that the Navy planned on using the Covenant Supercarrier for RED FLAG. Due to this miscommunication, the Army and Air Force crafted their own plan and initiated it on their own, Operation: UPPER CUT to destroy the Supercarrier. This unfortunately blew the Navy's opportunity to use Supercarrier, and the operation had to be postponed further until another suitable vessel came into being. That unfortunately didn't happen, as the Covenant finally arrived in force over Reach.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The IsoDidact and the Precursors however did believe that humanity was worthy of the Mantle.

 

Given that the Ur-Didact was driven insane by the Gravemind and the Master Builder was... well... the Master Builder, that doesn't lend credence here.

Oh I know. I was just saying that of the Forerunner Trinity, only the Librarian supported the notion of humanity deserving the Mantle of Responsibility. I know Iso-Didact agreed with her, but he wasn't part of the trinity at the time and the Precursors aren't Forerunners so I wasn't counting them.

 

lol at your description of Master Builder.

I hope he shows up in a future game as an antagonist. I wouldn't be surprised if that was who Ur-Didact was taking to during the Halo 4 Epilogue.

He was never confirmed dead, and if there is one thing that the franchise teaches us it is that Foreunners cannot die/stay dead.

[Former_Fiend]

...Why're we talking about Halo?

[God]

...Why're we talking about Halo?

 

Because it's awesome. What else do we have to talk about?

[Sartoz]

If they are in ME:A, I hope they weren't given a complete overhaul.  Meaning, everything that made Cerberus great, is gone. 

 

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According to : http://www.bidnesset...aracters-but-f/

 

No.... no familiar faces..

[Iakus]

If they are in ME:A, I hope they weren't given a complete overhaul.  Meaning, everything that made Cerberus great, is gone. 

They've gotten a complete overhaul every single game.

[LinksOcarina]

Because it's awesome. What else do we have to talk about?

 

I don't know about that...

[Lvl20DM]

I expect Cerberus is probably done and gone. I'd like to think they represent a line of thinking (humanity first and above the other species) that dies out after the events of ME3. 

[Nomen Mendax]

Because it's awesome. What else do we have to talk about?

That it turns out that Cerberus already colonized the Andromeda Galaxy (or at least the part we are in). They've already killed all of the alien races and landed on all the habitable planets. So the only enemies we meet are Cerberus troops. j/k.

[Iakus]

That it turns out that Cerberus already colonized the Andromeda Galaxy (or at least the part we are in). They've already killed all of the alien races and landed on all the habitable planets. So the only enemies we meet are Cerberus troops. j/k.

Knowing Cerberus, they would have turned the local wildlife into cybernetic shock troops hopped up on steroids.

 

The wildlife would then proceed to eat the Cerberus troops, leaving us to clean up the mess.