You do know that Raen is the English Community Mod, right? I only pointed out that Elhanan is using the same avatar... although now that I did, he changed it to a slightly different one.
The internet decided about this a long time ago.
The internet decided about this a long time ago.
On the internet, girl stands for guy in real life.
Those that wish to see it leave the Toggle off; those that do not want to see it may activate it. Those 5 folks now have two distinct options that were not there before; better than no option at all.
The problem you're encountering here is that people want you to define the "it" you're referring to. Yet you're side-stepping their question by saying users can turn "it" on or off.
So, is "it":
These are the kinds of questions that you're glossing over when people ask what you would like to see integrated with the filter.
Personally am more concerned about the obscenity filter than the others. Realize it will take work, but as other games have used it well, hoping that Bioware will help lead for cRPG's.
Examples, please?
The internet decided about this a long time ago.
Personally am more concerned about the obscenity filter than the others. Realize it will take work, but as other games have used it well, hoping that Bioware will help lead for cRPG's.
Honestly the idea that Bioware doing this could be the start of this being an industry wide trend - however unlikely that is - is part of why I'm so opposed to it.
Going absolute worst case scenario here, taking this to it's extreme - and if you want to call this a strawman, that might be fair - but consider.
The fact that this is a drain on resources is not up for dispute. So, should this kind of toggle become a genre wide standard for rpgs, where every M-rated game comes with a T-rated version of that game built in, then the argument is going to turn to excising the M-rated material all together to eliminate the drain on resources that creating two versions of the game to accommodate the toggle creates.
That isn't going to happen, realistically speaking. The toggle isn't going to be seen as a financially viable option to start, and M-rated games are seen as the more financially viable games to make than T-rated games, so if it became a drain then they'll just stop bothering with it, if they even give it a try to start with. That is what I consider the more realistic scenario.
But when I consider all the options, I do see this absolute worst case scenario lurking on the far edges of likelihood and plausibility where the Jack Thompsons of the world use this kind of thing as phase one in weeding out anything in video games that isn't strictly kid friendly, and just devaluing the medium of any merit.
Like I said, I don't consider this to be at all likely, or realistic. But when you say things like you hope Bioware doing this turns it into a trend, that worries me.
Honestly the idea that Bioware doing this could be the start of this being an industry wide trend - however unlikely that is - is part of why I'm so opposed to it.
Going absolute worst case scenario here, taking this to it's extreme - and if you want to call this a strawman, that might be fair - but consider.
The fact that this is a drain on resources is not up for dispute. So, should this kind of toggle become a genre wide standard for rpgs, where every M-rated game comes with a T-rated version of that game built in, then the argument is going to turn to excising the M-rated material all together to eliminate the drain on resources that creating two versions of the game to accommodate the toggle creates.
That isn't going to happen, realistically speaking. The toggle isn't going to be seen as a financially viable option to start, and M-rated games are seen as the more financially viable games to make than T-rated games, so if it became a drain then they'll just stop bothering with it, if they even give it a try to start with. That is what I consider the more realistic scenario.
But when I consider all the options, I do see this absolute worst case scenario lurking on the far edges of likelihood and plausibility where the Jack Thompsons of the world use this kind of thing as phase one in weeding out anything in video games that isn't strictly kid friendly, and just devaluing the medium of any merit.
Like I said, I don't consider this to be at all likely, or realistic. But when you say things like you hope Bioware doing this turns it into a trend, that worries me.
I can't believe you monkey-fighters are still going at it.
I'm concerned about society's tendency to get wrapped up in witch hunts. I'm concerned with extremists' tendency to stretch a mile out of every inch they're given. I'm concerned about regression to the values of the nineteen fifties.
Most of all I'm concerned about a franchise I love being ruined by someone like you. And that, should that happen, someone like you is going to follow me to the next franchise I enjoy and try to soil that one, too. And so on until all I have are those stories I write myself, and keep to myself because if I were to put them out there they'd be butchered and censored to appease people like you. And then even the ones I keep to myself get confiscated in random searches conducted to make sure I'm not a potential source of societal corruption, before a bag is put over my head and I'm taken away in the dead of night for "re-education".
Extreme hyperbolic exaggeration to make a point, or the symptoms of a paranoid episode? I'll let you decide.
I'm concerned about society's tendency to get wrapped up in witch hunts. I'm concerned with extremists' tendency to stretch a mile out of every inch they're given. I'm concerned about regression to the values of the nineteen fifties.
Most of all I'm concerned about a franchise I love being ruined by someone like you. And that, should that happen, someone like you is going to follow me to the next franchise I enjoy and try to soil that one, too. And so on until all I have are those stories I write myself, and keep to myself because if I were to put them out there they'd be butchered and censored to appease people like you. And then even the ones I keep to myself get confiscated in random searches conducted to make sure I'm not a potential source of societal corruption, before a bag is put over my head and I'm taken away in the dead of night for "re-education".
Extreme hyperbolic exaggeration to make a point, or the symptoms of a paranoid episode? I'll let you decide.
And the other extreme wing will also end up in the same location eventually, also with a loss of freedom for the other opinion. I prefer neither left or right wing extremes, and attempt to remain on the plane for a better flight.
And I try to avoid prejudging and pigeon-holing individuals, but am crazy like that....
To be clear, I don't have a problem with you having your beliefs and your values and your opinions. You don't like cursing in your life, and there's nothing wrong with that; were I to ever be a guest in your home I would make an effort not to curse while there out of common decency.
But, if you were a guest in my home, I wouldn't curb my standard cursing at all, and if you voiced a complaint about it, I'd point to the door that you'd be free to use whenever you wanted.
Of course, Mass Effect and Dragon Age aren't mine. They aren't yours, either. They're Bioware's, and we're just fans who enjoy them. You're arguing to include a feature that would enhance your enjoyment of it. I'm arguing against the inclusion of a feature that would actively detract from my enjoyment of it.
And it would harm my enjoyment of the game. Even if it's completely optional, even if it was implemented in such a way that through some miracle of resource management, the resources that went toward's its inclusion didn't take away from anything else in the game, my enjoyment of the game would be less just knowing it was there.
You know, it does bother me when people presume to know what effects my enjoyment of something better than I do.
You know, it does bother me when people presume to know what effects my enjoyment of something better than I do.
Guess some are bother by things REAL easy then, as most options are generally only used one setting at a time; so many other possibilities to worry over then.
Hi, Mr. Kettle, the name's Pot. Nice to meet you.
Hi, Mr. Kettle, the name's Pot. Nice to meet you.
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Take this scenario.
Suppose E, who wants a Toggle fillter so very badly, has the programming skills to program the game with the Toggle Filter and write the accompanying Profanity Word Dictionary, such as:
IF WORD = PROFANITY_DICTIONARY(WORD)
THEN REPLACE WORD WITH ('********')
Tell me E, would you be willing to build the profanity dictionary? If not, why not? If it's a wrong, no matter how you slice it, why are you asking Bio to do a wrong by implementing a profanity toggle filter for you?
On the other hand, if you are willing to implement the filter, why are you able to use profanity words?
Just trying to understand
PS: Answering with a non-answer is against the rules
Difference is that I am not worried; am pleased that another poster presented a great idea that I choose to support. And while I may have some mental issues, at least I have a stroke to use as an excuse....
Was mainly in response to your statement about being easily bothered. I'm bothered by a feature being added to neuter an M-rated game to appease people who probably shouldn't be playing M-rated games to begin with.
You're bothered by random configurations of letters that society arbitrarily deems offensive.
We all have our pet peeves.
Was mainly in response to your statement about being easily bothered. I'm bothered by a feature being added to neuter an M-rated game to appease people who probably shouldn't be playing M-rated games to begin with.
You're bothered by random configurations of letters that society arbitrarily deems offensive.
We all have our pet peeves.
We all have our
pet peeveslittle delusions.
True; choose to Ignore mine.
Profanity, obscenity, cursing, wearing by it's design is not randomized text; letters formed to shock, harm, assault, etc. It is rather ironic that the inclusion of such Jr HS locker-room material is called Mature.
Lot of it is pretty arbitrary; these words weren't invented for the sole purpose of offending people. They grew into that role over time.
Sh*t, for instance, is considered offensive because it was part of the language of the lower class saxons in the middle ages. It described something disgusting, yes, but it just served that purpose, to describe it. The upper class normans considered it uncouth because it was a word used by poor people who actually had to work for a living; it was beneath them. So their word, defecate, was considered proper and acceptable despite the fact that it described the same thing.
So in a lot of cases - not all, but many - the words that are ok and the words that aren't just come down to something as arbitrary and meaningless as which language happened to be spoken by rich snobs a thousand years ago.
So, yeah, in my humble opinion that really is a silly thing to get bothered over. Even when these words are used for the purpose of offending someone - which I've pointed out several times, does not represent the majority of their usage - the fact is that you're the one who lets yourself be bothered by it. Apparently even when the intended offense isn't directed at you.
Of course, you're free to think that me being bothered by this toggle is annoying, but here's an analogy. I'm at a nice restaurant, about to enjoy a nice dinner, when some guy comes over, drops his pants, and starts urinating on my table. Even if none of the urine gets on my food, it's fair to say my meal is ruined. Meanwhile, when I start cussing out the guy for urinating on my table, someone shouts at me for using harsh language.
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