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[Sylvius the Mad]

Showering does, though.

Now.  There was a time not too long ago when it was seen as inappropriate for a lady ever to be completely unclothed, so she would keep one garment on while bathing, and then swap it out later.

[In Exile]

Now. There was a time not too long ago when it was seen as inappropriate for a lady ever to be completely unclothed, so she would keep one garment on while bathing, and then swap it out later.

Interesting. It seems very impractical. Wouldn't she just end up washing the garmet rather than herself?

[Steelcan]

Interesting. It seems very impractical. Wouldn't she just end up washing the garmet rather than herself?

People have not always been as clean as we are now.

 

That said depictions often venture into the absurd for Medieval times, bathing didn't die with the Romans (it died with the advance of the Black Death)

[Spectr61]

I read the first couple of pages of the other thread, and while I disagree with the idea of implementing those toggles due to the huge cost it would require, the idea itself was put forward in a mature and well-articulated manner - and, more importantly, one that acknowledged and respected that you might disagree. That you're now labelling him a child in this mock-thread says more about you than him.
 
Some of you could consider your tolerance and respect for differing opinions. Or, in other words, being more mature (yes, there's that word again. I know it's less fun when it doesn't refer to seeing more naked breasts, but give it a shot anyway).

A well constructed request to have an M rated game pander to one's personal tastes to be teen or all rated is just well constructed narcissism.

The game is rated M, period.

An eloquent request to divert limited resources to develop content not rated M for personal tastes is self-centered.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Interesting. It seems very impractical. Wouldn't she just end up washing the garmet rather than herself?

It was typically a loose garment that didn't really get in the way.  But yes, it wasn't the most effective way to bathe.

[Adiatorix I Megas]

Gonna say something pretty controversial now - I trust the developers to do as they will.   Inquisition strikes me as having about the right balance, really. I can see them replicating it. 

[Former_Fiend]

Now.  There was a time not too long ago when it was seen as inappropriate for a lady ever to be completely unclothed, so she would keep one garment on while bathing, and then swap it out later.

 

I would like to point out that this applies to a particular minority of human culture in a particularly narrow slice of human history. At no point was it remotely a universal thing.

[Madrict]

More nudity the better imo. Bring it on

[Gkonone]

I don't mind the current level of nudity in Mass Effect, nor would I mind it if they'd increase it, as long as it serves a purpose and is done in good taste. 

That purpose could be showing the importance of the relationship and how it's experienced. Sex and nudity are part of any healthy romantic relationship and if those are used as a way to increase player immersion and attachment to the character and story, I'm all for it.

 

What I mostly miss though in the games right now is interaction on any level after a certain point in the crew member story/relationship. When you've exhausted all interacton it basically turns into a static world where all the interaction you get it is, 'yes, Shepard' when clicking on a crew member. At least for the love interests it would be nice to have more interaction, sexual or not, and make it repeatable to some extent. For example, use almost the same cutscene with slight alterations (in dialogue perhaps) depending on the situation.

[Killroy]

I am free to believe what a relationship is, and you are free to disagree with me.

Lots of people believe all kinds of wrong stuff. You don't have to be one of them.

[Ajensis]

I don't care how mature and well articulated one's manner of putting forth a stupid idea is, or its respecting that I might disagree. It is still a stupid idea.

 

Of course it is. But where does the personal attacks come into it? Criticise the idea and leave the condescending remarks out of it. There's no intelligent discussion to be had from calling people 'children' and 'prudes', it simply increases the level of toxicity and intolerance to opposing views.

 

If some minority extremist homophome made a similar thread asking for a gay toggle because it offends them, or an Islamofacist one for all female characters to be given niqab because not doing so offends them, I would similarly ridicule them no matter if their diction were as eloquent as Shakespeare's.

 

That's a silly comparison. Of course any kind of toggle based on discrimination would be in a whole different league. Consideration of people not wanting to experience excessive violence isn't similar to giving in to homophobia and sexism. Was DA:O discriminating to you with its gore toggle?

 

Bryan Johnson (a developer) has been posting in that thread telling everyone how time consumingly difficult such censors would be (...)

 

Sure. I even mentioned that in my previous post as my own reason for disagreeing with the idea, too.

 

Yet people still continue to pointlessly argue for it even though it would objectively make for a worse game for the 99.999% of us that aren't prudes or children because of the wasted resources.

 

People pointlessly argue for hundreds of things weekly. Weird sex fetishes, playing as Shepard's son or daughter, the freedom to kill every NPC you meet. Should we round those thread-starters up and tell them how [insert insult] they are till they stay quiet with their silly ideas we don't agree with? Or should we perhaps accept that there'll be lots of suggestions that only a small minority agree with and that we know will never come to fruition?

 

It isn't "mature" to tolerate stupid simply out of fear of causing offense, and indeed staying quiet sometimes encourages such people to continue spewing nonsense. If people don't want their silly worldviews challenged, they shouldn't post them on a public forum.

 

It's mature to act in a civilised manner. I never argued for tolerating the ideas and not speaking up about disagreeing with them - if you got that impression, then I apologise for maybe not making my point clear. I'm not a native English speaker, so it's certainly possible. Anyway, disagree all you like, but try to avoid ganging up on them in what feels like an attempt to virtually oust them from our establishment because their crazy notions aren't welcome here. We're a big community - showing a little respect to those who think differently can go a long way to making the forums a better place to be.

 

A well constructed request to have an M rated game pander to one's personal tastes to be teen or all rated is just well constructed narcissism.

The game is rated M, period.

An eloquent request to divert limited resources to develop content not rated M for personal tastes is self-centered.

 

There is and has always been an abundance of threads asking for Bioware to pander to their specific requests. Funnily enough, this guy only asked them to consider a toggle, meaning you'd still get your treasured M-rated content while he could opt out. Yet his thread made people sharpen their pitchforks and gather in the town square. Why is that, I wonder?

[Darth_Atreyu]

I think it would be best to show boobs like in Witcher 3 but have an option to turn of all nudity. Everyone will be happy.

 

Please don't use witcher as the measuring block for what sexuality or nudity should be in a mass effect game. The way they deal with such things is nothing short of trying to appeal to a juvenile fantasy.
 

[Ajensis]

Please don't use witcher as the measuring block for what sexuality or nudity should be in a mass effect game. The way they deal with such things is nothing less than trying to appeal to a juvenile fantasy.
 

 

Yeah, I had a great time in Witcher 3, but after reaching Skellige it kind of fizzled out for me. One of the reasons was that it just seemed to be '****** and arses' over and over again. Whether it was really to 'appeal to a juvenile fantasy' or an attempt to portray the base mentality of a medieval society, I couldn't say... Maybe both? But whatever the case, I'd like Mass Effect to stick to what it's already doing - sexual content when it serves a purpose and is personal. I don't want random women throwing themselves at me in every port (which, granted, wasn't so bad in Witcher 3 compared to e.g. the first game in the series).

[DaemionMoadrin]

Please don't use witcher as the measuring block for what sexuality or nudity should be in a mass effect game. The way they deal with such things is nothing less than trying to appeal to a juvenile fantasy.
 

 

Or, you know, trying to keep it somewhat close to medieval standards.

[Darth_Atreyu]

Or, you know, trying to keep it somewhat close to medieval standards.

Witcher is not some kind of medieval simulator, not even close. The real medieval europe was violent, yes, but it was also heavily puritanical and god fearing when it came to sexuality. Just because they don't have cars in witcher does not make it a medieval game.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Witcher is not some kind of medieval simulator, not even close. The real medieval europe was violent, yes, but it was also heavily puritanical and god fearing when it came to sexuality. Just because they don't have cars in witcher does not make it a medieval game.

 

Ehm. God-fearing and heavily puritanical? Are you sure about that?

[Chealec]

Witcher is not some kind of medieval simulator, not even close. The real medieval europe was violent, yes, but it was also heavily puritanical and god fearing when it came to sexuality. Just because they don't have cars in witcher does not make it a medieval game.

 

Now read the "Wife of Bath's tale" - the Witcher is comparatively tame.

 

The puritanical movement in Christianity didn't exist until the end of the Medieval period.

[Ajensis]

Perhaps you should read more than the first couple pages of that thread.

 

One only has so much time for bickering forum posts but I'm curious - what would I find further in that makes ad hominems okay?

[Darth_Atreyu]

Ehm. God-fearing and heavily puritanical? Are you sure about that?

Yes, Are you? You shouldn't learn history from what you've been fed from tv and video games. Any basic history book about the medieval period worth its name will tell you of what medieval europe was like, and it was not the way it's often portrayed in entertainment media. The fantasy rpg witcher is just that,fantasy, and not in anyway representative of medieval europe, I don't remember the vampires, dfferent dimensions and zombies from the medieval history books I read.

Part of the reformation away from the medieval period was the focus being removed from God and puritanism and to more human centric.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Yes, Are you? You shouldn't learn history from what you've been fed from tv and video games. Any basic history book about the medieval period worth its name will tell you of what medieval europe was like, and it was not the way it's often portrayed in entertainment media. The fantasy rpg witcher is just that,fantasy, and not in anyway representative of medieval europe, I don't remember the vampires, dfferent dimensions and zombies from the medieval history books I read.

Part of the reformation away from the medieval period was the focus being removed from God and puritanism and to more human centric.

 

Could you try to be more condescending please?

 

I live in a town with ~1400 years of history, which is well documented.

 

Please tell me more about my education derived from video games.

[Darth_Atreyu]

Now read the "Wife of Bath's tale" - the Witcher is comparatively tame.

 

The puritanical movement in Christianity didn't exist until the end of the Medieval period.

Chaucer's Wife of Bath's tale is fiction written from the point of view of one man, what is your point, that fiction was written during the medieval period?

[Toasted Llama]

A big round of applause for Ajensis for staying the most mature and most civil in this thread.

 

Keep the games edgy and compelling, just like life. Keep it messy, unsanitary, and definitely not censored.

 

Hold on, have to do this, comment is old, I know: 3edgy5me.
 

[Darth_Atreyu]

Could you try to be more condescending please?

 

I live in a town with ~1400 years of history, which is well documented.

 

Please tell me more about my education derived from video games.

You should perhaps explain how the witcher world holds to medieval standards instead of throwing a virtual fit over something that was a critcism of entertainment media and not meant to be taken personally.

I live in a country where buildings are still standing from the medieval period and with more than a thousand year of history documented, but I am not going to get into a pissing contest about where one lives because that is largely irrelevant.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You should perhaps explain how the witcher world holds to medieval standards instead of throwing a virtual fit over something that was a critcism of entertainment media and not meant to be taken personally.

I live in a country where buildings are still standing from the medieval period and with more than a thousand year of history documented, but I am not going to get into a pissing contest about where one lives because that is largely irrelevant.

 

Are you done with the insults now? Because I'm not going to even start a serious discussion about history unless you are.

[Former_Fiend]

Just going to leave this here.